03:03:46 twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 03:03:46 Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :') 03:03:46 I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway? 08:56:56 Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs. 08:56:57 As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me. 14:51:11 Testing matrix <-> libera bridge 14:55:19 irc side 15:03:16 Hi 15:04:04 Hi 15:05:41 I think we need to adjust something with power levels to get libera comments to show on matrix side, looking at that now 15:06:13 Either that or all this [m] join spam indicates an issue 15:09:03 [m] join/part spam has been around ever since matrix users first started joining irc years ago 15:09:51 I just added a filter in my irc client that hides all parts/joins of matrix users so I don't see it anymore 15:20:56 sorry for these test messages from me 15:33:20 ok here goes 16:11:19 I think it is related to this https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/1337 16:14:33 I don't understand this pull request 16:15:49 it is apparently the "safety feature" to the matrix irc bridge that does not allow messages from the irc side to be relayed to matrix via the "plumbed room" method unless all matrix users in the room have linked/joined to irc 16:16:47 and how do we get all users to join? 16:17:14 It seems libera requested this so that irc users's messages wouldn't be relayed and history leaked to people who weren't in the irc room, for privacy reasons 16:17:37 this hasn't been an issue in most other linked rooms so that's why I'm confused about the PR 16:17:56 What room are you aware of that is working? 16:18:25 monero-site, monero-research-lab, monero-markets, haveno, haveno-dev 16:18:26 I'm only aware of portal rooms working, and everyone at matrix tells me irtc messages not going through to matrix is by design for plumbed rooms 16:18:39 ok let me look at monero-site to start 16:18:57 This setting can be enforced on or off at a global level, and at a per-channel level. Optionally, bridge admins can also allow moderators of Matrix rooms to disable this setting at their own risk. 16:20:50 Yes nioc perhaps we can look at if we can toggle this off, let me first confirm per selsta's observation that its the actual issue 16:22:43 * xmrscott whispers test 16:23:02 Also tries a test 16:23:33 Something something 16:24:03 Hmm, seems Matrix -> Libera only for now 16:24:17 Yes see above 16:24:48 selsta, I do not see my messages from #monero-site on libera show up in the plumbed room on matrix 16:25:31 xmrscott, I am told by matrix.org people it is because of this 16:25:32 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324#issuecomment-852297622 16:26:04 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/1337 16:26:29 I am looking into it now. Might be that portal rooms are just going to be the way to go 16:26:41 ErCiccione: ^^^ 16:28:01 Well that is indeed unfortunate and rather complicates things :/ 16:28:10 But thanks for the quick response 16:28:15 pigeons: weird I can see my messages on matrix in the history 16:28:28 Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffypony embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. Why do you think charities need Teslas? They don't and Elon won't support Monero 150k will sure buy a lot of party time for those that actually do get it. 16:28:37 * Well that is indeed unfortunate and rather complicates things and makes onboarding contributors harder :/ 16:28:53 it definitely worked before in other rooms 16:29:11 pigeons: see mine show up 16:30:20 i beleive that came through the portal room selsta, like this message 16:30:28 pretty damn confusing 16:31:52 My messages at least are through the 'plumbed' room, only portal room I have is -dev currently 16:33:18 I personally don't really get the Libera privacy architecture aspect that seems to be forcing this one way issue(?) These are all public rooms anyways 16:34:47 (Going by the "I understand due to privacy concerns, IRC messages are not relayed to Matrix unless and until all Matrix users in a room have successfully joined as their bridged IRC counterparts." comment from the Issue) 16:34:51 We'll figure it out, but I lament that policy to disclose public logging in the topic has been ignored and see this as a similar part 16:35:18 Are we using our own bridge? Because this setting is configurable. 16:35:37 we are using the bridge libera setup a homeserver for with matrix.org 16:35:45 libera will not likely let us run our own bridge 16:36:24 anyway, I don't fully understand it yet as we tried the brdige in other channels before and it works without issues 16:36:40 yes, I'm not undersstanding something fully for sure 16:37:02 unless everyone in those channels is perhaps joined to irc 16:37:20 maybe ErCiccione knows 16:44:27 I'll continue to ask matrix support too and update you 16:45:21 In some of the channels people are reporting the same thing and a response is "probably some of the matrix users (even one) is not in the channel " 16:45:46 So also I'll get the procedure to instruct users to follow 16:46:12 The rooms you mentioned, being smaller, perhaps have all matrix users joined to irc. That's my best guess for now 16:50:01 I mean markets is quite a large channel and things work fine there, so I would be surprised if everyone joined IRC there. I don't know. 16:52:17 yeah good point. I know there was a bug in the security feature which was fixed in the past day. But as you pointed out -site works right now 16:53:12 I'm not understanding yet how a matrix user can be in the room and not have properly joined, or how to properly join 16:54:06 right that's also what I don't undertand 17:08:50 OK. Latest answer is that the joining of the matrix users to the irc channel is done automatically by the bridge 17:09:23 -community and -dev were just plumbed recently because execptions were made for them because of over 100 users on the matrix side 17:09:58 so they are still in process of "syncing", and when it is complete and all the users from the matrix room appear in the irc channel, messages from irc will relat to matrix 17:11:48 ok makes sense 17:11:55 so it will just take a bit 17:12:07 let's try tomorrow or in a couple hours 17:12:25 And I can see selsta's comments on Matrix now, so that's a good sign :D 17:13:02 that security PR makes more sense now if users join automatically 17:13:23 otherwise it would have been nonsense if a single user could break the whole bridge by not fully joining 17:14:05 i think its working now already? 17:14:38 there is a timeout where the user is kicked if they don't complete the join 17:14:43 Yep, the last read receipts for a bunch of IRC users got triggered, and selsta's messages are coming through, so probably fully working given little number of users on IRC side 17:15:15 ok yay 17:17:05 pigeons: #monero needs to bridge too? 17:18:20 OK, I was only told -community and -dev, #monero makes sense to of course. Probably will need an exception for it too based on number of users on the matrix side, so may be a couple days 17:19:19 -space too also needs a 100+ exception 17:19:22 when matrix for -space , there is no op there 17:19:28 :) 17:20:20 OK, let me know any more and I'll put in the exception requests 17:21:10 I can do an audit now that basically all the Matrix rooms are decoupled from freenode, so should be exclusively Matrix users to figure out if it's really 100+ or not 17:21:18 s/now/later today 17:21:24 OK 21:18:02 :O !!! 21:18:14 the money guardians!!! :DDDDDDDDDD 21:18:24 * the castle money guardians!!! :DDDDDDDDDD