17:51:29 <***> Buffer Playback...
17:51:29 <SerHack> [17:38:11] +100 for selsta and erciccione ccs. Amazing work
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:38:34] OK let's move on to the workgroups I suppose. The only proposal with strong rejection was the profit-switching pool one. I will add a comment to the gitlab issue to refer to this meeting
17:51:29 <ErCiccione> [17:39:26] thanks everybody for the support :)
17:51:29 <selsta> [17:39:52] ty everyone :D
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:40:02] If somebody wants to ping Luigi I think that means proposals from selsta, erciccione, and v1docq47 can all be merged then?
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:40:30] luigi1111 luigi1111w get to work and stop kissing mario's cheek.
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:40:44] The list of active workgroups in the agenda might be out of date or not relevant, but we could probably just run through it and see who is around
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:40:59] +1
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:41:34] a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
17:51:29 <luigi1111w> [17:41:45] please give v1doc a couple upvotes
17:51:29 * rottenstonks [17:41:55] gives 5 upvotes
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:42:02] I doubt anybody from there is here but that is fine
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:42:27] b. Localization workgroup
17:51:29 <ErCiccione> [17:42:57] selsta is here for a i guess?
17:51:29 <selsta> [17:43:07] yes but not sure what to write
17:51:29 <zkao> [17:43:53] what about we let the workgroups interested in discussing something specific to start?
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:44:15] Meh they have their whole own channel, unless there is something to ask of the wider non-programmer community I don’t think you need to write anything
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:44:29] +1 zkao
17:51:29 <ErCiccione> [17:45:09] If there are questions for the Localization workgroup and the Website workgroup, i can answer
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:45:10] zkao: take it away. i may have one or two quick questions re farcaster. :)
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:45:23] I'll give an update for Monero Space workgroup at the end
17:51:29 <selsta> [17:45:28] progress can be seen on github, don't have a "summary" prepared
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:45:37] That’d be great sgp
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:46:59] Assuming there are no big updates from devs or questions about website/translations, next is 
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:46:59] d. Outreach workgroup
17:51:29 <bevanoff[m]> [17:47:00] sgp_ now has the floor
17:51:29 <Thunderosa[m]> [17:47:11] Monero Outreach is working on a final report, but for the past 3-4 months we've been working on the Monero Merchant Directory portion which should be ready for initial launch shortly. To go with that, we've also been developing a program where merchants can request free POS sticker kits for their store/cash.
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:47:15] outreach should go first
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:47:27] nice.
17:51:29 <crypto_grampy[m]> [17:47:40] <Thunderosa[m] "Monero Outreach is working on a "> very cool.  will there be a search functionality on this?
17:51:29 <Thunderosa[m]> [17:47:53] lh1008 has been working on getting organized to add Hindi as well, which is exciting.
17:51:29 <Thunderosa[m]> [17:48:10] Yes, it has search
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:48:23] any updates on calendar?
17:51:29 <Thunderosa[m]> [17:48:28] mapping/geo
17:51:29 <Thunderosa[m]> [17:48:31] no third parties
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:48:33] there's another calendar... on google calendar... ¬¬
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:48:57] yup the monero.space/calendar one is on google calendar but we keep it up to date
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:50:00] Next on the list is Defcon groups which I imagine has a lot going on right now:
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:50:00] e. Defcon workgroup
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:50:19] meeting kicking off in 10 mins. over at #monero-events.
17:51:29 <msvb-lab> [17:50:23] We have a meeting on this in ten minutes.
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:50:25] I suppose I can speak for the Defcon workgroup
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:50:30] event is slotted for next month.
17:51:29 <msvb-lab> [17:50:35] Is there a agenda item or question about Defcon in particular?
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:50:49] our kanban is here https://github.com/MoneroSpace/defcon-cryptocurrency-village/projects/1
17:51:29 <carrington[m]> [17:50:54] I guess people can hop into that meeting in 10 mins for full details
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:50:59] if you can help with any of those items, let us know in the meeting
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:51:13] also please let us know if you will be at Defcon and/or the Monero Party :)
17:51:29 <rottenstonks> [17:51:18] there'll be an after party on sat. :) https://twitter.com/MoneroSound/status/1413292275891802113
17:51:29 <sgp_[m]> [17:51:19] end defcon update
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17:52:14 <zkao> Im interested in discussing monero research lab funding, since it looks like the current funding model is not working 
17:52:22 <carrington[m]> Wish I could teleport to Vegas for this. Unless there are updates from "Policy" or "Malware" workgroups then I guess we move to "open ideas"?
17:52:44 <rottenstonks> zkao: ccs not working?
17:52:47 <sgp_[m]> policy should have an update today, I just need to fix some wording I've been meaning to do for a few days
17:52:52 <zkao> garlicgambit started this discussion on reddit
17:52:55 <ErCiccione> there isn't a single model as far as i know
17:52:55 <zkao> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/n2njsk/how_to_increase_the_number_of_cryptographers_and/h2spr7m/?context=3
17:53:05 <sgp_[m]> nothing on malware (will almost never have a workgroup update there unless people want to help with that)
17:53:17 <sgp_[m]> quickly on monero space then:
17:53:22 <zkao> well, all we know that all the monero lab researchers are working elsewehre
17:53:23 <carrington[m]> There has been some discussion of ways to sustainably fund MRL work, I suggest a github issue under "meta" might be the best place to flesh out ideas
17:53:34 <sgp_[m]> last week we did an >8 hour Monero Twitter Space which attracted hundreds of attendees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlhUPFlThAs
17:53:50 <rottenstonks> zkao: there is a truckload of drama pegged to researchers working elsewhere. i presume it is nuanced and would take a lot of time to dissect.
17:53:51 <zkao> thank you, carrington[m], will do 
17:54:09 <sgp_[m]> immediate plans are to work on the Discord, so if you are interested in the Discord at all, please let me know. I personally don't really want to moderate it
17:54:19 <sgp_[m]> and revitalizing the flarum forum
17:54:22 <sgp_[m]> end update
17:55:05 <crypto_grampy[m]> what is the flarum forum
17:55:12 <rottenstonks> https://telegram.org/blog/voice-chats
17:55:29 <rottenstonks> crypto_grampy[m]: https://forum.monero.space/
17:55:34 <rottenstonks> https://telegram.org/blog/voice-chats-on-steroids
17:55:35 <sgp_[m]> https://forum.monero.space, something we made but didn't put much love into since launch. but we should since it's good to have a non-reddit forum community
17:55:57 <sgp_[m]> Telegram voice are on the list too, I have the necessary permissions. so pick a date/time and we'll do it
17:56:32 <carrington[m]> There is also a forum by the "Monero punks" group. I guess they are a kind of workgroup so they should maybe be notified of these meetings 
17:56:33 <rottenstonks> whenever. i got nothing better to do. :)
17:56:39 <zkao> rottenstonks: I'm not in here for the drama, but it seems there are people willing to fund monero work, we just have to find a structure that our researchers are happy and stay working on the lab
17:56:51 <rottenstonks> carrington[m]: lza isn't here, unfortunately. anarkiocrypto[m] maybe?
17:57:14 <ErCiccione> zkao: if we find that structure not only for researchers but also for the other people currently working on Monero, that would be good :)
17:57:20 <rottenstonks> zkao: it is nuanced. one of the main issues currently is receiving xmr instead of fiat. there was a recent thread considering giving stablecoins vs. xmr.
17:57:41 <ErCiccione> we are not the mvps of Monero like MRL people are, but we would appreciate some stability as well :P
17:57:46 <rottenstonks> any ccs taker is betting on xmr price going up, while receiving 'regular' salary. it carries taxes implications and financial burden on contributors.
17:58:06 <carrington[m]> I think for such a big issue maybe a Github issue and dedicated IRC/Matrix meeting should be arranged
17:58:15 <rottenstonks> +
17:58:18 <rottenstonks> +1
17:58:49 <zkao> that is it from me
17:58:55 <sgp_[m]> maybe we can talk about MAGIC MRL fund next meeting
17:59:17 <bevanoff[m]> MRL discussion was the major agenda item after ccs stuff but then it got merged into brainstorming
17:59:17 <bevanoff[m]> Bad idea I guess
17:59:28 <carrington[m]> We should quickly set a time/date for next meeting and agree on some structure 
17:59:33 <rottenstonks> are carrington[m] and bevanoff[m] leading community meetings from here on out? if so, next should be in two weeks, following prior regular schedule of a community meeting every two weeks.
18:00:21 <carrington[m]> I am afraid in two weeks I will be unavailable to chair any kind of meeting that day
18:00:39 <rottenstonks> i'll be out of town as well. :(
18:00:48 <carrington[m]> But I will take a look at commenting on gitlab issues and such in the meantime 
18:00:53 <bevanoff[m]> I’d like to see meeting members cycle through a sorta long list
18:01:03 <bevanoff[m]> *meeting leaders not members
18:01:21 <bevanoff[m]> I too have a hectic schedule, this time just happened to work out for me so I volunteered
18:01:36 <rottenstonks> sounds fair. hopefully there's people volunteering their time too... i'd be down, but alas, won't be around as i previously said.
18:01:37 <carrington[m]> Well anyways if it is set for same time in two weeks we can all stick to that
18:01:47 <rottenstonks> thanks for doing this, btw.
18:01:58 <carrington[m]> It would be great if someone could post logs on the meeting issue page for this meeting
18:02:05 <bevanoff[m]> Igy
18:02:16 <sgp_[m]> thanks everyone, very pleased someone is doing these again :D
18:02:39 <rottenstonks> carrington[m]: i can get you the logs after we've wrapped up on a pastebin. but won't post them on github myself.
18:02:46 <sgp_[m]> special thanks for bevanoff and carrington 
18:03:03 <bevanoff[m]> rottenstonks: dw I can post to github
18:03:09 <rottenstonks> kk, tks.
18:03:29 <jackmonerouk[m]> Didn’t Realise This Was A Thing, Will Keep An Eye Out For The Next One ✌️🇬🇧
18:04:04 <carrington[m]> I guess we can say MEETING ADJOURNED. 
18:04:05 <carrington[m]> Remember, there is another meeting here at the same time in 2 weeks. 
18:04:05 <carrington[m]> There is also a Defon meeting in monero-defcon right now
18:04:20 <sgp_[m]> jack.monerouk: add monero.space/calendar to your calendar :)
18:04:46 <binaryFate> glad to see this sort of meetings again, I think they're invaluable for everyone to get out of their little own silo :) Thanks a lot carrington[m] and everyone who organized
18:04:59 <jackmonerouk[m]> <sgp_[m] "jack.monerouk: add monero.space/"> Thank You 🙏
18:05:00 <ErCiccione> please make always clear who will be the moderator of the meetings. If some controversial individual will end up leading them, i won't participate.
18:05:06 <rottenstonks> xoxo binaryFate.
18:05:29 <ErCiccione> in the github issue i mean
18:07:00 <mj-xmr> Thanks to everybody and up to seeing y'all again!
18:09:50 <msvb-lab> Good meeting bevanoff[m], thank you.
18:12:17 <geonic> tx Ben
18:15:45 <geonic> I also second ErCiccione’s comment 
18:17:02 <bevanoff[m]> log is posted in comments
18:24:12 <ErCiccione> bevanoff: the log is quite incomprehensible. I suggest to pull the logs for somewhere like monerologs.net 
18:25:26 <ErCiccione> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20210710
18:29:05 <xmrscott[m]> Unfortunately logs look like they cut off at 17:51 anyways on monerologs?
18:30:53 <ErCiccione> I see a "Playback Complete.", but then the logs continue. Unless i'm misunderstanding
18:32:48 <xmrscott[m]> Looks like bot service died 7/8, and then whoever maintains it only realized at 17:51 today where logs continue
18:44:16 <bevanoff[m]> ErCiccione: what makes is incomprehensible? That the names aren’t in brackets?
18:46:54 <xmrscott[m]> More so that each line doesn't have a clear name associated to it I think
19:03:23 <ErCiccione> bevanoff: it's a mix of nicks and strings without an actual structure. It's very hard to understand what's going on
19:09:33 <carrington[m]> I have added comments to the unmerged CCS proposals, linking to the logs of the meeting in this channel
19:10:06 <selsta> yes, the logs are not readable
19:11:12 <selsta> also it seems to include quotes that are not visible as quotes
19:15:41 <msvb-lab> Good meeting bevanoff[m], thank you.
19:19:05 <bevanoff[m]> Oop sorry matrix was being mean and mad me copy and paste in chunks
19:19:22 <bevanoff[m]> I’ll fix it when I get home if somebody else hasn’t by then
19:52:52 <msvb-lab> Good meeting bevanoff[m], thank you.
20:06:09 * carrington[m]  < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/d5c4408e802a2d508f47f2470e5ba79599b49c99/message.txt >
20:29:49 <mcfranko[m]> Is monero being spam attacked right now or is there just a lot of usage? 
20:30:02 <mcfranko[m]> There is 1.1 broadcasted tx per second according to txstreet
20:30:04 <selsta> why?
20:30:08 <mcfranko[m]> Highest I've ever seen it
20:30:27 <mcfranko[m]> Or just load tested?
20:30:55 <selsta> not aware of any spam currently
20:31:10 <selsta> mempool also looks rather empty https://xmrchain.net/
20:32:04 <fehho[m]> The mempool doesn't seem to be overfilled by any definition
20:32:05 <mcfranko[m]> Ah, I guess its just getting a lot of usage right now which is cool
20:32:10 <mcfranko[m]> Personally I haven't seen it higher than 1 tps ever
20:32:24 <mcfranko[m]> Actually it just slowed according to txstreet
23:27:39 <Keiji[m]> <carrington[m] "I am afraid in two weeks I will "> I can chair
23:32:48 <Keiji[m]> (Also excited to see it was a very successful meeting!)