11:28:28 so you guys might be able to help me. 11:28:41 i sent some monero to a subwallet of mine, but it doesn't yet show back in my wallet 11:28:59 * noobcake2465[m] uploaded an image: (266KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/EUZpZSrrPoLUpDJciyMNCAxw/error.png > 11:29:13 for example in this screenshot, you can see i sent 1.75 XMR to myself 2 days ago 11:29:39 i have tried a new wallet, with seed/height and it still isn't showing that missing 1.75XMR 11:30:04 i would have expected to see Received, 1.75XMR at some point 11:30:46 which would put me on a total of 3.3 not 1.6 11:31:18 you regenerated the wallet with your seed, and let it resync, and still nothing? 11:31:28 correct 11:31:38 do you run your own node locally or use a remote one? 11:31:53 i was using a remote node, but i am running my own one now locally 11:32:03 and it's fully synchronized 11:32:47 I see, did you run the local node before/after regenerating the wallet? it's possible the remote node didn't correctly send out transaction info and your wallet didn't pick it up before (even though it exists) 11:33:08 if it was before, I'd say try one last time to regenerate the wallet with the local node, and see how that goes 11:33:15 no, i was using a remote node when i sent the transaction 11:33:27 but then i decided to regenerate the wallet using my own local node 11:33:38 well, what I mean, is that the remote node might not have informed your wallet of a new incoming transaction for some strange reason 11:33:42 so it was never picked up 11:33:57 yeah, i have regenerated my wallet a few times now 11:34:03 ie made a new one from the seed 11:34:12 and it's not showing the incoming transaction 11:35:05 i've only used the official monero wallet from archlinux repo https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/monero-gui/ 11:35:36 I see, I had a similar issue once, but personally it was solved by regenerating my wallet using a local node 11:35:39 so I'm unsure 11:35:43 maybe someone else could help 11:35:53 either way, I hope it gets solved, good luck man 11:36:08 yeah, well i'm wondering if i will ever see my money again 11:36:23 and if not i'd actually like to know what happened 11:36:43 I am pretty certain you will, it's extremely difficult for money to just get "lost" in a blockchain, but getting the wallet to pick it up might involve some weird changes 11:36:52 if your money is lost that would be a very significant bug :) 11:37:28 as i can imagine 🙂 11:37:45 but i don't think creating yet another wallet and synchronizing it is going to fix the issue lol. 11:37:45 because i've already done that 3 times 11:38:28 yeah, I don't think so either, maybe someone with more info on this stuff knows what happened 11:38:37 ``` 11:38:37 108.6G Aug 1 21:08 data.mdb 11:38:37 ``` 11:38:37 🙂i have the whole monero chain 11:39:07 running a monero node on my own private server https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-monero-node/ 11:39:22 so i'm not actually using anyone else's node 11:39:41 i was when i sent the 1.75XMR though 11:40:04 but now that i've reseeded my wallet from my own node, i still see the transaction out, but no money come back in 11:40:18 and i would have expected to see something after 3 days 11:40:27 and 2342 confirmations 11:40:51 yeah... I was going to ask about confirmations... but 2342 is definitely more than enough for it to show up 11:51:11 noobcake2465[m]: Do you still have the original wallet file (the one you used when you sent the transaction)? Does the expected address show up when you expand the outgoing transaction? 11:51:23 yes i do 11:51:27 yes. 11:52:14 > Does the expected address show up when you expand the outgoing transaction? 11:52:14 yes. 11:52:58 that address being the address of my subwallet 11:53:20 "error.png" <- and reseeding the wallet doesn't make the correct amount appear 11:54:02 A subaddress or different account? 11:54:14 subaddress, same account 11:54:35 There won't be an incoming transaction in that case. 11:54:37 you can see in the transaction details there the address, and the address is #2 same wallet. 11:55:10 then shouldn't the total of that be 3.3XMR not 1.6XMR? 11:55:27 It should show one outgoing transaction, with the amount adjusted for net balance adjustment (i.e. the tx fee you paid). 11:55:50 yeah, but the transaction fee was only 0.00000899 XMR 11:56:01 I can't view the image you sent, btw. 11:56:12 oh. i can put it up on imgur 11:56:22 https://i.imgur.com/3ve7LjO.png 11:57:40 my math skills don't suck that much 11:58:41 This looks like a bug. 11:59:09 https://xmrchain.net/search?value=3b2be8c34dc992329ed42b463edc9668b512d1b1fa16c77389f96bd4d8483ed3 11:59:15 so where did the money go lol 12:00:59 tobtoht: if it is, it looks like a serious one lol 12:01:51 Would you mind restoring your wallet using Feather Wallet? ( https://featherwallet.org ). It can show more details than the GUI can. 12:02:06 sure i guess i can do that. 12:06:01 tobtoht: that their pgp key: 12:06:01 pub rsa4096/0x1F76E155CEFBA71C 2020-12-02 [SC] 12:06:01 Key fingerprint = 8185 E158 A333 30C7 FD61 BC0D 1F76 E155 CEFB A71C 12:06:54 yes 12:07:10 I'm the dev 12:07:53 just compiling it from source 12:16:50 okay i think it's synchronizing now 12:17:07 oh, it might want to go through Tor 12:17:11 i don't really want it to do that 12:17:22 because the node is on my LAN 12:17:37 oh wait nevermind it's working 😀 12:17:51 300, 320, 400 12:17:56 where it says (D: ) 12:18:23 Depending on your restore height it may take a while. 12:18:26 i wanted it to sync fast so i downloaded the whole chain 😀 12:18:48 i set it to the restore height that monero told me when i first opened my wallet 12:18:59 Ok, that's good. 12:19:20 which happens to be 2212000 so that's a while ago 12:20:58 noobcake2465[m]: It should display "To: My wallet" if you send to yourself 12:22:47 Anyway let's see what Feather shows. 12:23:25 yeah still syncing, shouldn't take long though 😀 from my local node 12:27:33 almost there 😀 12:28:12 okay synchronized 12:28:35 okay so looking at the history 12:28:38 i see the same 5 transactions 12:28:39 Just double check your tor settings (bottom right corner) - you mentioned your lan node - if you wish to not use tor and continue using feather - you should select the top option ' all traffic except to node " 12:29:08 plowsof[m]: yep that's what it's set to 12:29:15 and as it happens i'm over a vpn anyway 12:29:28 noobcake2465[m]: is the balance correct the same as gui? 12:29:39 is the balance the same as in the gui* 12:29:44 it doesn't look correct, and it looks the same as the monero client 12:29:45 yeah 12:30:00 do you still have to original wallet cache? 12:30:01 -1.75 is twice, and i never got the 1.75 that should have come back to me 12:30:07 yes 12:30:23 it's still in my whonix virtual machine 12:30:27 https://i.imgur.com/3ve7LjO.png <-- this screenshot has unknown recipient 12:30:40 it would be interesting to look at the original wallet cache to see the recipient 12:30:57 yeah when i click on the ℹī¸ though it shows my subwallet 12:30:57 also tobtoht has some ideas maybe 12:31:17 okay, well i'm happy to work with it to see what i can tell you 😀 12:31:21 i really want to know what happened haha 12:31:39 i'll do a snapshot of the virtual machine 12:31:44 ignore the i button for now, I would look in the original wallet cache 12:31:55 okay. 12:32:07 really nice selsta. thanks for sharing. https://twitter.com/matrixdotorg/status/1420748068090040332 12:33:25 Ah right, apparently ℹī¸ doesn't show the destination, but the address the output was spent from (?) 12:33:44 yes, it doesn't show the destination 12:33:54 Might want to clarify that 12:33:59 Confused me, lol 12:35:33 i just made a snapshot before i boot the virtual machine 12:36:17 Open the wallet on your Whonix machine and look for "destinations" under the weird tx 12:38:48 note for this i'm not usinig a local node in my whonix vm 12:38:56 because i didn't have the storage 12:39:09 i only had 66GB free which i knew wasn't going to be enough 12:39:32 That's ok. We just need to know where the GUI thinks the tx was sent to. 12:39:58 That information isn't available when restoring from seed. 12:40:00 it's connecting. 12:40:13 right. 12:40:55 so the TX id is the same 12:41:32 oh you mean the "transaction key" 12:41:36 hmm, it has a dash there 12:41:39 and no transaction key 12:41:51 but for the last transaction of 1.75 there is a transaction key 12:42:17 that's bad isn't it 12:42:32 i think the monero client crashed on me when i did that transaction 12:42:43 so maybe it didn't record it ☚ī¸ 12:42:45 Who is it "To" ? (the place where it says 'unknown recipient' on the other wallet. 12:43:09 yes, that's what we want to know 12:43:23 yeah i'm not sure why it says Unknown Recipient 12:43:34 "that's bad isn't it" -> yeah 12:43:42 if the wallet crashed there's a good chance it didn't get saved 12:43:46 ☚ī¸ 12:43:55 it should not say unknown recipient in the original wallet cache 12:44:03 oh, it crashed 12:44:26 so that means it's lost doesn't it 12:44:50 (((selsta: this is exactly why I advocate for saving the wallet cache immediately after sending a transaction))) 12:45:05 shit like this just isn't supposed to happen 12:45:08 noobcake2465[m]: did you check on the account page, do you have multiple accounts? 12:45:24 nope, one account 12:45:40 i do have multiple addresses under Receive 12:45:46 and the address i sent it to was one of those 12:46:21 I don't think it is possible that a transaction gets lost 12:47:43 tobtoht: will look into it 12:47:51 Could it have been possible that you may have pasted a different address? 12:48:01 Perhaps the copy operation failed 12:48:13 and you had a different address on your clipboard still 12:48:33 i doubt it. 12:48:38 because i copied it from a text file 12:48:42 and i have that text file still 12:49:16 noobcake2465[m]: where did you send the other 1.75? 12:49:50 the second 1.75XMR went to the right place 12:50:06 what happened was i accidentally copied my own wallet address instead of the person i was supposed to 12:50:14 so i sent the first 1.75XMR to myself 12:50:24 when i realized my mistake, i sent another 1.75XMR to the person, and they got that 12:50:38 so the second 1.75XMR is legit and meant to be there 12:51:02 it would say To: My wallet if you send a transaction to yourself 12:51:38 You sent it twice to the same person? 12:51:43 to me it sounds there was a mix up with the copied addresses, but obviously I can't know what exactly happened 12:52:07 plowsof[m]: no 12:52:13 once to myself, and then once to the right person 12:52:34 i realized what i did, when i looked at the txt file that had a single address in it 12:52:43 because i had copied it into my virtual machine 12:54:29 Usually , unknown recipient means ' this transaction was initiated by another wallet ' 12:55:37 The address in the text file matches the one shown in the GUI? echo "address" | sha256sum to make sure 12:57:40 actually i think i know what happened 12:57:55 i reckon instead of copying the one from the text file, i clicked on my own 12:57:58 and it overwrote my clipboard 12:58:03 so that's how i sent it to myself 12:58:16 there's not much risk for failure, because i've literally only ever done two transactions before 12:58:52 because my own address was never in the text file 12:59:10 and the text file was literally a text file with one address in it 12:59:16 so its not like i could have copied any other address in there 12:59:27 this machine has never had any other addresses 13:01:14 Can you verify with the recipient that they did not end up receiving both transactions? 13:01:29 yes, and i will ask them 13:03:40 By the looks of it you hadn't sent the transaction to the wrong address. Perhaps you went to [I] saw the wrong address listed there, thought you had messed up and sent the transaction again. 13:04:12 i guess we will see, i do trust the person to be honest 13:22:48 tobtoht: oh wait 13:23:09 address under ℹī¸ isn't the To address is it 13:23:43 it's basically the from address 13:23:50 ^ 13:24:06 so why does it show one address there and no address under the main view 13:24:13 where it shows "unknown recipient" 13:24:42 no wait it is supposed to be the same 13:24:52 i just checked the second 1.75XMR and yeah it matches 13:26:56 tobtoht: selsta although if i copied the wrong address in there, it shouldn't matter 13:27:06 when re-seeding the wallet, wouldn't it show the correct one? 13:27:16 I can't follow. 13:27:37 Copy the wrong address where? 13:27:48 well if i sent it to the wrong address say, and the monero client crashed recording the wrong thing in there like you said 13:27:55 assuming i had the wrong address in my clipboard 13:28:09 if created a new wallet from seed, wouldn't that show the correct one? 13:28:17 "wouldn't it show the correct one?" -> No, destination addresses can't be recovered using the seed. 13:28:28 right. 13:28:33 Did you rescan the wallet? 13:28:41 yes 13:28:56 Can you look into the wallet file folder if you have an original wallet cache? 13:29:07 sure 13:29:22 wallet.old_cache 13:29:34 something like that with wallet being your wallet file name 13:30:04 that is inside the VM 13:30:05 it's only showing "name" and "name.keys" 13:30:08 ok 13:30:12 yep 13:30:15 no _cache files 13:38:13 you know what is interesting, monero-gui seems to be making a heap of large log files 13:38:50 oh wait nevermind that's cos i turned up the log level 13:38:53 i forgot that 13:40:06 if you want you can send a small amount to yourself 13:40:13 then you will see how it looks in the wallet if you send to yourself 13:40:47 this has really stumped me though 13:41:12 and i was pretty sure the first time i actually sent that transaction i double checked it 13:41:30 i was kinda surprised to see my own address under ℹī¸ 13:43:13 you will always see your own address under i 13:43:46 oh yeah you're right 13:44:14 well that means the only person i could have sent it to is person A or person B 13:44:22 because i've never sent any money anywhere else lol 13:44:40 so there was nothing for me to mistakenly copy into the virtual machine except my own address 13:44:49 clipboard from host/guest is disabled 13:46:57 even if i had mashed some keys 13:47:10 its unlikely that would have been a valid address and it would not have worked at all 13:53:15 fwiw, I think we can improve the UX by clearly stating that it is the "From" address shown under i. 13:53:22 It's most likely that you sent both transactions to their address. 13:53:34 yeah possibly 13:53:39 i trust the person to tell me 13:53:49 i actually know them IRL so 13:54:17 and i've known them for years 😛 13:57:46 haha i like the cut fox in about 13:58:14 *cute 13:59:03 i actually think i like feather more than the official client 13:59:20 i kinda like qt/gtk apps they tend to be less chunky and annoying 13:59:36 and fit in with the rest of my system theme 14:05:40 I just realized: Foxes don't have Feathers. Not sure how we overlooked that lol. 14:12:31 yeah i kinda expected to see like an ugly bird in there 14:12:45 maybe its because foxes are floofy 14:12:52 like a feather 14:13:37 brb renaming the project to floofywallet 14:14:56 I think we had a bird at some point 14:15:02 but it must've flown off 14:15:13 got eaten by the fox! 14:15:18 :o 14:15:44 foxes are very crafty 14:15:55 ok I need to get rehrar to edit the fox with a feather sticking out of it's mouth 14:16:05 especially the kind that like chickens 15:18:13 Dear Reddit Mods, 15:18:13 please approve https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ovtxwf/dev_report_june_2021/ 15:18:13 :) 15:22:41 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> Dear Reddit Mods, 15:22:41 > please approve https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ovtxwf/dev_report_june_2021/ 15:22:41 > :) 15:22:41 Seth dEBRUYNE 15:28:52 For GitLab users, my report is also available here: 15:28:52 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/231#note_11248 15:36:24 Just nudged proxysto.re about the possibility of offering Threema codes for XMR. Let's see if they get back to me. https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/ 16:28:19 Guess it is not happening any time soon, unfortunately. 16:28:23 Hi thanks for the suggestion, we have also thought about it and contacted Threema. However, they do not want resellers and resale of the vouchers. So unfortunately it is not possible for us at the moment. I would have really liked to take Threema myself. 16:30:08 "> <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> Dear Redd" <- AFK for a bit but will approve shortly if still not approved. 17:04:31 hey guys, are we having a group call soon? 17:44:01 eh? 18:13:02 * rottenwheel < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a31bb32a64ebe628a32030a36501a250e36a29a0/message.txt >