00:39:21 <rottenwheel> <lightloved[m]> "Do I have any options if I want..." <- Check out CTemplar, mauve. 
00:39:29 <rottenwheel> * Check out CTemplar, maybe.
00:39:46 <rottenwheel> If you really want tor only, you can go for secmail.pro, I guess.
00:45:32 <lightloved[m]> <rottenwheel> "If you really want tor only, you" <- Couldn't find the onion for that.
00:46:07 <lightloved[m]> <rottenwheel> "If you really want tor only, you" <- Looks interesting. I assume you can email over clearnet as well, right? And it looks like the free plan requires an invite.
00:49:29 <rottenwheel> lightloved[m]: Weird. There has to be an onion for secmail. The only way in is through hidden service. 
00:49:45 <rottenwheel> The clearnet site should display the v3 onion link.
00:49:58 <rottenwheel> lightloved[m]: Ye, ye on all counts for ctemplar. 
00:50:42 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I think secmail is dead. I had 2 accounts there and neither v2 or v3 onions work. But http://eludemailxhnqzfmxehy3bk5guyhlxbunfyhkcksv4gvx6d3wcf6smad.onion/ is still there.
00:51:09 <lightloved[m]> Yes, elude is still good but it's tor <-> tor only. I need something over clearnet.
00:51:49 <lightloved[m]> Just need to register privately, through tor. Maybe ctemplar is worth taking a closer look at.
00:52:49 <rottenwheel> Big f there. Secmail was nice.
00:52:55 <rottenwheel> C'est la vie.
00:53:21 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Protonmail via Whonix Workstation with VPN (either OpenVPN or browser VPN addon, doesn't matter because Whonix connects to Tor first) may only require email or virtual SMS verification (e.g. smspva.com).
00:54:39 <anarkiocrypto[m]> In the past 5 years, 5 of my email providers have closed down and 4 VPS providers have closed down, required KYC or stopped accepting crypto. I am used to being censored...
00:55:11 <anarkiocrypto[m]> msgsafe.io is another idea, but UI is annoying sometimes and many websites mark it as a spam email provider.
00:56:06 <Rucknium[m]> anarkiocrypto: Any good VPS providers around beside Njalla?
00:56:39 <lightloved[m]> anarkiocrypto[m]: Nope. 1 in 1000 chance to hit a tor exit relay that doesn't "force" PM to ask you for your payment details/phone number. No captcha. Very rare.
00:57:57 <lightloved[m]> And if it requires email you need a non-PM address, which defeats the purpose. Gmail asks for phone.
00:58:17 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I use bitlaunch.io now, after I was recently censored from my previous provider that stopped accepting crypto payments on the day of my invoice... yes 1 day to migrate a whole VPS.
00:58:38 <lightloved[m]> Only thing that can work is burner/virtual number (dtmf) + Whonix/Tails + PM. 
00:58:52 <anarkiocrypto[m]> That's why I said to use a VPN in Whonix Workstation (Tor -> VPN) for a non-blacklisted IP but still have Tor protection.
00:59:09 <anarkiocrypto[m]> DTMF is dead, try smspva.com or sms4sats.com
00:59:38 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Once you register via non-blacklisted VPN, you can login via Tor without bans. I have 5+ Protonmail accounts this way.
01:01:17 <lightloved[m]> Hm. Never considered pairing tor with a vpn, maybe because I always had an instinct not to in general. It's either tor or vpn, always been that way, but maybe it could work.
01:02:18 <lightloved[m]> But I've also kind of lost faith in Protonmail, not that there was a lot of it invested in the first place. Kind of looking for a new service at this point really.
01:03:09 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I don't trust VPNs alone since they know your physical IP and what website you are accessing. Tor's 3 hops are safer. I only use Tor + VPN if the website blocks Tor signups or bans Tor accounts (RIP many Reddit and Twitter accounts before I could even post anything).
01:05:10 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Tutanota is an alternative to Protonmail, but it is hosted in Germany where the state can install viruses in your computer or phone to surveil you + recently you can go to jail for insulting someone online. Tutanota criticizes the Stasi (East German communist secret police) on their website, but if there is a court order, would they comply?
01:05:38 <lightloved[m]> I don't trust Tutanota either.
01:06:05 <lightloved[m]> Currently I'm researching more about cTemplar. Looks better than both.
01:06:18 <lightloved[m]> Is anyone using cTemplar? Would love to see some feedback.
01:14:10 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Never used it, but looks like it has many privacy features and accepts Bitcoin and Monero. https://ctemplar.com/pricing/ Whether it is worth $8/month is up to you.
01:14:37 <lightloved[m]> Yes, still assessing that.
01:15:51 <lightloved[m]> What I'm confused about is the claim that they can encrypt email subjects. I was under the impression that you can't do that due a limitation in the email protocol itself.
01:16:03 <Rucknium[m]> Looks like bitlaunch.io only supports BTC, ETH, and LTC https://help.bitlaunch.io/en/articles/4847135-how-does-billing-work
01:16:12 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Apparently 14 days refund policy if you want to try.
01:16:21 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Use FixedFloat.com for Bitlaunch, then you can pay in Monero.
01:17:03 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Generate the Bitlaunch invoice, copy and paste amount and address into FixedFloat, then send Monero to the address that FixedFloat displays. Then they will pay your invoice after 2 confirmations.
01:17:08 <Rucknium[m]> I can't find what sort of server configs they are offering either. Like how much RAM, how many cores?
01:17:42 <Rucknium[m]> It wants me to sign up fist, I think.
01:20:08 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Cheapest VPS is $10/month or $0.015/hour for 1 GB RAM, 1 CPU core, 25 GB SSD, unlimited bandwidth. So it's relatively expensive compared to e.g. Contabo but it's KYC-free and accepts crypto.
01:20:51 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I don't know any better hosts. This was the only host I could find that is KYC-free plus accepts Bitcoin, after my previous host stopped accepting crypto without any warning.
01:21:59 <lightloved[m]> What was your previous host?
01:22:28 <Rucknium[m]> Ok thanks. Njalla has comparable pricing and accepts BTC, LTC, XMR, ZEC, CASH, BCH, ETH, and Paypal
01:22:37 <anarkiocrypto[m]> It also resells DigitalOcean, Vultr and Linode VPS but they are more expensive. Sadly no storage VPS option or VPS builder where you can configure CPU, RAM, storage separately.
01:22:42 <Rucknium[m]> *DASH
01:23:25 <Rucknium[m]> SporeStack is another option
01:23:54 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Previous was Evolution Host which I found on Whonix Wiki. I used it for almost 1 year, until I tried to pay the invoice last month and found that crypto was completely removed from their website and they now only accept Paypal/credit card (which I don't have).
01:24:46 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I use Njalla for domains, it's good and KYC-free. (Most domain registrars don't ask for ID, but there are often paragraphs in the terms that they may ask for ID to "verify" registrant data, so I prefer to avoid these registrars.)
01:25:26 <lightloved[m]> Njalla doesn't have any of those hidden paragraphs in their terms, or didn't last time I checked.
01:26:20 <lightloved[m]> Did anyone try sideshift.ai before to exchange btc/xmr?
01:26:35 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Yes I checked in detail. I signed up because of their troll response to SBU (Ukrainian KGB) in their canary page. IDK whether they actually sent it, but it was entertaining to read.
01:27:29 <anarkiocrypto[m]> https://njal.la/blog/ Scroll to "Taking our Njetski to Ukraina"
01:28:14 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Never tried SideShift. I use FixedFloat.com without problems. Flyp.me and swap.lightning-network.ro also work.
01:35:25 <lightloved[m]> Is there any of the Monero Matrix rooms bridged to XMPP?
01:37:19 <anarkiocrypto[m]> IDK sorry. But if you want better UI, you can try https://app.schildi.chat
05:54:25 <ajs_[m]> now streaming live from Monero After Party
05:54:41 <ajs_[m]> kxmrdbwcqbgyokjbiv7droplwhxvli3s7yv5xddxgrtajdpdebgzzzqd.onion
05:54:55 <ajs_[m]> https://xmr.radio/pages/live-stream
06:48:59 <Halver[m]1> <lightloved[m]> "Do I have any options if I want..." <- tutanota.com is working quite well with torbrowser.
06:48:59 <Halver[m]1> (You must have security level = safer, in order to allow some javascript).
11:54:54 <ajs_[m]> XMR.radio on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/73cTJseUbL7lIie5MCsNDc
16:53:11 <ling1> hi
16:53:37 <buggins5> hello
16:54:24 <dEBRUYNE> https://twitter.com/SecretNetwork/status/1424354560982855688
16:54:27 <dEBRUYNE> In case it interests anyone
16:55:37 <lightloved[m]> nice