03:03:27 <ajs_[m]> whenever the next meeting is scheduled, I would like to add XMR.radio to the agenda. I took over monero.fm CCS which was already funded, but would like to adjust the terms.
03:06:28 <ajs_[m]> I would like to form an LLC in Nevada for legal and tax purposes.
03:23:37 <ajs_[m]> right now, the station's income and expenses are intermingled with my personal finances. I would prefer to segregate the accounts.
03:40:15 <rottenwheel> <ajs_[m]> "whenever the next meeting is sch" <- Paging Keiji. 
03:40:26 <rottenwheel> Keiji whatever. Lol. 
03:40:46 <rottenwheel> ajs is doing lord's work with the radio; all my upvotes.
03:44:30 <rottenwheel> Keiji I think it is safe to schedule a meeting for any Saturday at the usual time (1700 UTC), given DEFCON is in the books. 
03:44:49 <rottenwheel> There's no other upcoming event, not to my knowledge. People should be able to be around for it.
03:45:00 <rottenwheel> Who's making the meta issues w/ the agenda? You? 
03:45:16 <Keiji[m]> Me and @bevanoff:matrix.org 
03:45:49 <rottenwheel> 10-4. Feel free to ping me if either of you are busy or out of town to run it. Or any other help.
03:46:14 <rottenwheel> Thanks for bringing them back; they've been missed.
03:46:20 <rottenwheel> They are also useful, I reckon.
03:46:51 <Keiji[m]> I can make agenda I think. Would need to know preference of when
03:47:10 <Keiji[m]> I think maybe this Saturday is too short notice for people?
03:47:35 <rottenwheel> Agreed. Maybe let's schedule it for next week, Sat. 1700 UTC.
03:47:42 <Keiji[m]> So probably 21st
03:48:02 <rottenwheel> Yup. 21/08/2021 1700 UTC.
03:48:13 <rottenwheel> They used to be bi-weekly, every other Saturday.
03:48:29 <rottenwheel> You can keep the tradition alive and keep that in mind moving forward, if you wish to.
03:49:12 <Keiji[m]> 21st is 4 weeks after last meeting so it works nicely
03:49:35 <Keiji[m]> I will create the Meta Issue after work
03:49:41 <rottenwheel> Yeah. I mean, skipping the one that fell on the same date at defcon was warranted.
03:49:44 <rottenwheel> No big deal on that.
03:49:53 <rottenwheel> Great. Appreciate it.
03:49:59 <Keiji[m]> If @bevanoff:matrix.org you want to moderate, please let me know
03:50:29 <Keiji[m]> Or @carrington:monero.social 
08:14:31 <rottenwheel> https://blog.thenewoil.xyz/privacy-is-not-political
08:47:27 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The solution is to not care about politics and laws. Instead, defend your own freedom. Use PGP, Tor, Linux, custom ROMs for privacy. Use Monero and Bitcoin for finances. Buy peer-to-peer, from small businesses and agorist gray markets instead of state-regulated corporations. The state won't give you freedom, especially when you consider the past 1.5 years of increasing corona statism. You can only take back freedom yourself.
08:47:27 <anarkiocrypto[m]> But I agree that "privacy only for people who I agree with" is bad, backdoored and not even privacy. It's just surveillance with privileged exceptions that they will also use against you, when the "people in control" change.
08:51:55 <midipoet> rottenwheel: the issue with the 'rights argument' is that not all rights are absolute (as i am finding out slowly unfortunately). there are direct stipulations from which they can be derogated from - which incidentally is what happened during the pandemic. a good link is here (in the notes section). 
08:51:57 <midipoet> https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/european_migration_network/glossary_search/fundamental-rights_en
08:58:27 <ajs_[m]> that is correct. most rights can be limited under certain circumstances.
08:59:26 <ErCiccione> yeah too many struggle to understand that or they are simply too selfish too care.
08:59:28 <ajs_[m]> there are only like 4 which are considered absolute 
08:59:31 <ErCiccione> *to care
08:59:32 <ajs_[m]> https://unterm.un.org/unterm/Display/record/UNHQ/non-derogable_right/D4DBB9694E5B40DA8525751B0077E882
09:02:36 <rottenwheel> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "The solution is to not care abou" <- +1. Always on point. Appreciate you. 
09:03:18 <rottenwheel> midipoet isn't that precisely what the author says in his piece though? That rights are kind of circumstantial...
09:03:45 <rottenwheel> Lol, midipoet loves to be a contrarian. Just skim through again. He says the same thing, in different words.
09:03:53 <rottenwheel> https://pastebin.unclejim.life/?23ff17eaa7480f0e#EyYJU479awAPphoag4Hg3UUNiHdTF8kBbeWKbqQg7Yxq
09:04:55 <ErCiccione> Arguing with a conspiracy-theorist, that's gonna be fun. Grabbing pop corns. Good luck midipoet :)
09:06:04 <ajs_[m]> "Privacy is a human right" is more rhetoric than a legal statement
09:09:11 <rottenwheel> Fair statement.
09:11:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Sadly the human rights bill is empty words written by the state (United Nations). No one follows it from experience. You can see for example the UN's website about statelessness and how KYC excludes people from basic necessities, but they don't do anything to solve this. UN humanitarian laissez passer passports used to exist, but not anymore, now only nation-states have authority to print passports. Also UN member states are
09:11:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> increasing KYC regulations (and surveillance) every year. United Nations doesn't care, EU doesn't care, it's all empty words.
09:14:00 <ajs_[m]> yeah, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is aspirational and not directly enforceable against states
09:14:00 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Anyway it's good that PGP, Monero, Tor, etc. is open source code that can't censor or ban you. No need to ask permission, just run the code and privacy is yours. Agorist gray markets are the permissionless equivalent for physical goods (food, rent, healthcare, etc.).
09:14:14 <ajs_[m]> especially the large ones
09:16:21 <ajs_[m]> to be honest, the whole human rights protection regime is BS 
09:18:50 <ajs_[m]> even where you have an enforcement mechanism like the European Court of Human Rights, states are fined a few thousand euros for violations.
09:19:49 <ajs_[m]> chump change
09:19:52 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Sadly the court is also owned by the state, the judges and lawyers are employed by the state, the laws are written by the state. You can't win against the state by using its system.
09:28:50 <midipoet> rottenwheel: yeah, he does say that. 
09:39:42 <Inge> isn't this mostly about individualism vs collectivism, and layering on top different levels of corruption based on amongst other things, the size of the organization in question?
10:25:35 <Keiji[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/599
12:27:24 <gingeropolous> You can't win against the state by using its system. >>> hence crypto
16:55:50 <msvb-lab> ajs_[m]: The UDHR (human rights contract) is nice. Your opinion is probably correct, but some of us like to use the document as a blueprint regardless of how much enforcement works.
17:25:27 <rottenwheel> <Keiji[m]> "https://github.com/monero-..." <- Awesome. Thanks. Are you on reddit? 
17:25:47 <rottenwheel> Would be helpful if someone posts the link in there, perhaps some time this weekend.
17:25:53 <rottenwheel> I can do it if you are not on there.
18:50:38 <plowsof[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/247
19:23:13 <rottenwheel> My entire kingdom for Monerujo SideKick CCS.
19:23:55 <rottenwheel> luigi1111w this is the type of CCS you should've merged without vetting.
19:24:02 <rottenwheel> Not bullshit Tesla marketing stunt.
19:29:29 <rottenwheel> <Keiji[m]> "https://github.com/monero-..." <- Do you mind adding xmr.radio to the agenda items here? Likely just bake it into the workgroups.
19:31:50 <luigi1111w> ok no vetting
19:45:34 <crypto_grampy[m]> Imagine running Monerujo Sidekick on a Motorola Sidekick 
19:45:35 * crypto_grampy[m] uploaded an image: (57KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/MdGXqzmNtZzVQGrAkrzOOquQ/L12380122.jpg >
19:48:25 <anhdres[m]> crypto_grampy[m]: that would be the proper cyberpunk way of doing it
19:49:03 <crypto_grampy[m]> Is it worth discussing monero-lws at the next meeting?
19:57:31 <nikg83[m]> <crypto_grampy[m]> "Is it worth discussing monero-lw" <- Yes, it can improve user experience 
20:05:31 <SerHack> crypto_grampy[m]: absolutely
22:29:35 <Keiji[m]> > <@rottenwheel:halogen.city> > <@keiji.case:matrix.org> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/599
22:29:35 <Keiji[m]> > 
22:29:35 <Keiji[m]> > Do you mind adding xmr.radio to the agenda items here? Likely just bake it into the workgroups.
22:29:35 <Keiji[m]> Added explicit ajs radio item. I will post on Reddit this weekend