02:44:34 <geonic> Ric denied bail: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.87126/gov.uscourts.tnmd.87126.17.0.pdf
02:45:59 <geonic> next date to watch is Sept 19 https://twitter.com/_geonic/status/1428182473905635328?s=20
04:02:22 <garth> Wow thanks for sharing geonic
04:18:42 <entry1[m]> Probably denied bail as a flight risk. Was this his private plane or was it chartered?
04:22:41 <nikg83[m]> entry1[m]: He has a private plane ? 
04:24:23 <xmrscott[m]> It was chartered if memory serves
04:25:18 <xmrscott[m]> Yep, it was chartered
04:25:42 <xmrscott[m]> "Spagni was arrested in Nashville when a private charter jet he was using for a trip from New York to Los Cabos, Mexico, stopped for fuel."
04:25:50 <xmrscott[m]> Source: https://news.yahoo.com/former-monero-maintainer-fluffypony-arrested-210704508.html
04:35:05 <xmrscott[m]> Also date is wrong, it's not Sept 19th, but Oct 19th per footnote: "Under the applicable federal statute, Spagni may  not remain in custody on a provisional 
04:35:05 <xmrscott[m]> arrest for more than ninety days, or no longer than October 19, 2021. 18 U.S.C. § 3187."
08:18:56 <anarkiocrypto[m4> "The silver lining is that he will be released on Sept 19 if SA doesn't file the extradition paperwork by then." -> Hope this is true and Fluffypony will be free soon. Still, he doesn't deserve to be in jail and solitary confinement for 2+ months for accusations where he wasn't proven guilty and there isn't even a court case yet. :(
14:04:43 <sosse[m]> Hello, can anybody help me win an argument? I'm not sure if what he says is true and I'm quite new
14:05:01 <sethsimmons> Just say what you aren't sure of
14:05:10 <sethsimmons> That question is incredibly vague.
14:07:45 <sosse[m]> I said that firo is not better than monero because it is kind off centralized. Because one mining pool controlls 51% of hash power, and because they have madternodes wich are as far as I know kindoff like on dash. Then he replied that to attack the network you need 51%of masternodes and hash power, so even one mining pool could controll 100% has power an attack couldn't work and it would make firo very decentralized. He also says, it
14:07:45 <sosse[m]> has 4000+full nodes wich would be very much for such a low cap. 
14:10:45 <selsta> Firo has a master key that allows them to disable privacy features apparently https://www.coindesk.com/privacy-coin-firo-disables-protocol-investigate-suspicious-transactions
14:10:47 <sethsimmons> The tradeoffs are different for each, but:
14:10:47 <sethsimmons> - FIRO is *very* small and is centralized both as a result and intentionally. They are clear about that with their community and do not hide that they have more control over the network and project direction than a project like Monero.
14:10:47 <sethsimmons> - Masternodes do provide another layer of security if not gamed, but also build in a perpetuating system where the rich get richer. A single entity could easily control the majority of masternodes, they are just gated by funds, not by identity etc.
14:10:47 <sethsimmons> - Full node count is likely inflated for the reason above, people run many nodes to earn more rewards -- likely far fewer entities than 4000 running nodes due to incentives.
14:10:55 <selsta> I mean I do understand why they do it, but it's a bit centralized.
14:11:15 <sethsimmons> I'm a fan of some of what FIRO does and the people behind it, but believe the tradeoffs and security of Monero are generally better ATM.
14:12:14 <sethsimmons> Especially for those who realize the need for privacy and want to transact safely and privately today. FIRO is doing very interesting (and compatible with Monero) research and are coming from a good heart/focus.
14:12:15 <sethsimmons> selsta: For sure, and they freely admit this.
14:12:33 <sethsimmons> (The actual people running it, like Reuben, I'm sure there are shills that don't but that's not under their control)
14:13:05 <sosse[m]> Thank you very much 
14:14:18 <sethsimmons> np.
14:59:10 <selsta> sethsimmons: yes, I can understand why they do it as they deployed Lelantus super early and there were risks with it
14:59:20 <selsta> afaik they asked the community if they should add this
14:59:33 <sethsimmons> Yup!
16:21:42 <gingeropolous> master key?
16:21:59 <gingeropolous> is this a privacy coin FOR ANTS?!
17:47:04 <geonic> I think the admission that they’re selling hot air is part of the marketing. Gives them an out when they’re called out. Doesn’t make it excusable IMO
17:48:43 <geonic> Reuben is as disingenuous as they come. A Zooko with a law degree
17:50:39 <sethsimmons> I definitely disagree based on my interactions with him but not going to get into that here.
18:06:59 <geonic> Actually, I'll take Zooko over Reuben any day. At least Zcash openly competes with Monero. Zooko doesn't try to mingle in the Monero community or ingratiate himself, let alone poach talent from us and then rub it in our faces nonchalantly. But yes, he knows how to talk..
18:07:55 <geonic> so impressions may vary*
18:48:45 <lotusflare> Hi, does anyone know if there is an IRC room for xmr.radio music suggestions?
19:20:55 <sgp_[m]> lotusflare: they have a Telegram group
19:21:00 <sgp_[m]> it's listed on their website
19:21:25 <sgp_[m]> #feather:monero.social bridged Matrix room now exists
19:22:09 <jonah_xd[m]> feather the nero wallet ?
19:22:43 <selsta> sgp_[m]: pls pls pls update the monero-dev description :)
19:23:21 <sgp_[m]> selsta: what should I update it to?
19:23:30 <selsta> Official repo: https://github.com/monero-project/monero || Don’t ask to ask, just ask:) || Monero GUI dev is at #monero-gui || Monero website dev is at #monero-site || Non-dev talk -> #monero, please || No fork help, you’re on your own
19:24:48 <sgp_[m]> done
19:25:16 <selsta> ty
19:25:48 <rbrunner> No fork help? Hey, that's mean :)
22:13:16 <luigi1112> xmrscott[m] I don't think the date is wrong
22:13:45 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah I deleted the comment shortly after posting. The joys of Matrix vs IRC
22:13:58 <luigi1112> oh, :)
22:15:16 <xmrscott[m]> I thought there was some weird special case hence why the judge even wrote the Oct 19th footnote, but after re-reading several times I couldn't think of why they would even note it and thus deleted my Oct comment :)
22:15:33 <xmrscott[m]> Just judge being weird I guess
22:20:07 <xmrscott[m]> I think maybe even w/ extradition papers the most the US can hold him is Oct 19th I guess is the conclusion I came to. W/o papers it's Sep 19th is the loose conclusion I came to as why the footnote was written
22:25:06 <xmrscott[m]> If the SA marshal doesn't show up by Oct 19th to escort FP back to SA, that's on them essentially
22:26:15 <luigi1112> I believe he can be released after 60 days and cannot be held longer than 90 (given lack of supporting docs by 60 days, lack of (?extradition) by 90)
22:27:29 <luigi1112> the treaty says someone may be released after 60 days; my reading is the judge is confirming that he will be
22:31:22 <plowsof[m]> Spotted a scammer in the wild posting on monero support https://www.reddit.com/user/kira_bae/
22:33:15 <plowsof[m]> i created a wallet @ moneroaddress.org and sent him the seed phrases with this message "hello kind sirr pls help me, in 2016 i send myself 18.3 xmr, here are seed phrases <25 fake words> pls return to <fake address> i have no other hope!!" their response "Ok, im on it" 
22:42:34 <selsta> plowsof[m]: banned
22:43:14 <plowsof[m]> He is currently asking for my binance password etc.. so he's very busy ^^ ill block him now 
22:56:02 <pilotg[m]> hi  
22:58:20 <pilotg[m]> so if i close down daemon it can just resume where it left off right?
22:58:56 <selsta> yes
22:59:27 <pilotg[m]> i realize how slow a usb2 drive is now compared to SSD :D 
23:07:09 <pilotg[m]> thought i was doing okay when it was at 40% after some hours, but then it said 4.8 days left
23:12:15 <plowsof[m]> Never trust the estimate 🥲
23:13:16 <pilotg[m]> i guess im stretching it if i think i can just move the so far synced blocks onto my ssd and continue from there? 🤨  
23:14:07 <plowsof[m]> 5200rpm HDD + 2 core cpu took me about 16 days last month 😁
23:14:23 <pilotg[m]> haha are they really that slow  
23:14:47 <pilotg[m]> guess the 60 mb/s  on my external werent that bad
23:15:45 <pilotg[m]> but it seemed to be writing difficult stuff not achieving such speeds, it did not use much internet bandwich while using 98% of the hdd power in taskmanager
23:59:32 <pilotg[m]> moving the data to another drive and continue from what it had so far was ok with daemon