06:44:26 <pilotg[m]> the sync has slowed down 30 fold for some reason as it approached finalization :| more hours left than when i went to bed :D 
09:50:52 <Inge> pilotg[m]: there are a lot of random reads when validating blocks - since it has to retrieve all the outputs
11:30:01 <pilotg[m]> maybe the latter blocks are significantly larger since it slows down so hard? went from 20-30 mb/s writes to nok less than 1 mb
11:30:09 <pilotg[m]>  * maybe the latter blocks are significantly larger since it slows down so hard? went from 20-30 mb/s writes to now less than 1 mb
11:30:34 <Inge> yeah different time periods sync at very different speeds
11:30:42 <Inge> blocks before CT were a LOT smaller/lighter
11:30:48 <Inge> and some periods have really busy blocks
11:31:00 <Inge> and volumes have been growing steadily over the past few years
11:31:11 <pilotg[m]> ah okay i kinda see how the time estimates were so off
11:32:28 <pilotg[m]> still hard to see where the bottleneck is,  task manager says  harddisk usage 3 mb/s , cpu usage 8% 
11:33:13 <Inge> spinning rust?
11:33:19 <pilotg[m]> that will be 2% of the ssd im using (:   
11:33:24 <Inge> oh ssd?
11:33:34 <pilotg[m]> yea a samsung evo 970
11:34:13 <Inge> been a while since I synced from scratch. was like 4.5 hours back then. I think it isn't all that great at parallel processing, so fewer faster cores are better than more and slower cores
11:34:35 <pilotg[m]> yea it looks like it is using 6 out of my 24 cores (ryzen 3900) 
11:35:01 <pilotg[m]> my uneducated guess is that is because there arent enough L2 memory for all the cores 
11:35:23 <selsta> pilotg[m]: is it external ssd?
11:35:48 <pilotg[m]> no its on pcie 3 
11:35:53 <selsta> 08:44 <pilotg[m]> the sync has slowed down 30 fold for some reason as it approached finalization :| more hours left than when i went to bed :D  <-- that's when you reach the last checkpoint
11:36:08 <selsta> once a new release is out it will contain fresh checkpoints
11:36:21 <selsta> only the blocks after the latest checkpoints are super slow
11:36:54 <pilotg[m]> ah okay, makes sense that is been using 5 hours to get through 120k blocks now 
11:37:01 <pilotg[m]> because it were the latest 
11:37:13 <selsta> the latest release was a couple months ago
11:37:24 <selsta> so it had to do a lot of blocks without checkpoints
11:37:25 <pilotg[m]> but it did the remaining 2 million blocks during the night 
11:37:49 <pilotg[m]> ah right, at least im soon done now . 4300 remaining, if the gui wallet speaks truth 
11:38:32 <pilotg[m]> thanks for clarifying that sir
11:47:11 <ErCiccione> how many teams are working on atomic swaps, two or three? I remember comit and farcaster but i have the feeling i'm missing one
11:52:22 <sethsimmons> <ErCiccione> "how many teams are working on at" <- Just those two AFAIK.
11:52:35 <ErCiccione> ok, thanks
11:55:41 <pilotg[m]> should mining with XMRig and GUI Wallet give me equal mining performance?
11:56:06 <pilotg[m]> i see both suggested in different guides 
12:00:32 <selsta> no
12:00:37 <selsta> XMRig will be faster most likely
12:00:40 <selsta> it is more optimized
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13:19:44 <crypto_grampy[m]> https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1428614958846148609?s=20
13:19:56 <crypto_grampy[m]> Fyi for binance people 👀👀
13:22:19 <entry1[m]> Wait, big corp doesn't care about your privacy? Hmmm
13:24:34 <anarkiocrypto[m]> KYC-free alternatives to Binance: https://github.com/cointastical/P2P-Trading-Exchanges/
13:43:32 <pilotg[m]> having fun trying out the network and mining, but with my 30 cent kwh cost and the cost of CPUs, it seems to be a really bad business :-D  
13:44:20 <pilotg[m]> has it been more profitable before? 
13:56:09 <nioc> competition results in........
13:57:18 <pilotg[m]> efficiency
14:00:07 <nioc> and 30 cents kwh is very inefficient 
14:07:48 <entry1[m]> I don't think you will ever be profitable in mining unless you spend a crazy amount of money in hardware at those kWh (unless you account for future value of Monero, to which it would just be better to buy it directly).
14:15:10 <pilotg[m]> <nioc> "and 30 cents kwh is very..." <- its a quite high price compared to the price in underdeveloped countries using coal powers, but if it has to be a decentralized network across the whole globe, some of us living in expensive nations have to mine ;) 
14:17:36 <pilotg[m]> companies using more than ~20 gW a year can get it for around 13 cents here, but i had not such a scale of operations in mind 
14:19:10 <pilotg[m]> and by using company money that not already have been taxed, i can effectively cut off a further 50% 
15:05:23 <ChadthePervious[> <pilotg[m]> "its a quite high price compared..." <- Not sure what country you're in, but its not hard to find much cheaper energy in the U.S. even ar metropolitan residential rates. I live in a very large city in the US, any my residential electric rate is ~10¢/KWh... 30¢ seems quite high, or maybe the US is cheap?
15:05:42 <ChadthePervious[> * Not sure what country you're in, but its not hard to find much cheaper energy in the U.S. even at metropolitan residential rates. I live in a very large city in the US, and my residential electric rate is ~10¢/KWh... 30¢ seems quite high, or maybe the US is cheap?
15:06:29 <ChadthePervious[> I would love to see an energy price map of the world
15:08:57 <ChadthePervious[> * Not sure what country you're in, but its not hard to find much cheaper energy in the U.S. even at metropolitan residential rates. I live in a very large city in the US, and my residential electric rate is ~10¢/KWh... 30¢ seems quite high, or maybe the US is cheaper than I realized?
15:09:05 <ChadthePervious[> * Not sure what country you're in, but its not hard to find much cheaper energy in the U.S. even at metropolitan residential rates. I live in a very large city in the US, and my residential electric rate is ~10¢/KWh... 30¢ seems quite high, or maybe the US is just cheaper than I realized?
15:40:29 <anarkiocrypto[m]> In some European countries 20-30 cents kwh is the average price. I wonder if solar mining could be profitable or break even? https://strom-report.de/medien/elctricity-prices-eu-country.png
15:45:54 <sudo_ki[m]> I've been looking into 200w solar panels. It seems like they are more affordable than I ever thought. You can buy things called grid ties, which plug into your usual power socket which is a pretty meet way to offset some costs. 
15:47:51 <Rucknium[m]> What? So it just like runs in reverse or something? Wow.
15:49:46 <crypto_grampy[m]> Some electric companies will pay for the excess power provided by your panels
15:51:38 <Rucknium[m]> I never thought about the fact that you could plug a solar panel into a standard electrical outlet and it would just push rather than pull electricity. An electric motor run in reverse is a generator, after all.
15:56:59 <crypto_grampy[m]> There's a bit more to it as solar panels are DC power and require inversion and you need to make sure you're following proper code so that people working on your power lines are able to shut down your power productoion/not get electrocuted 😅, but yes electricity is cool
15:57:51 <crypto_grampy[m]> I imagine many if not most solar installs in the us are grid tied only and actually won't help the homeowner in the event of a power outage 
15:58:15 <crypto_grampy[m]> They just help to lower or eliminate monthly power bills.   
15:59:35 <crypto_grampy[m]> A good install would probably involve a backup battery, several circuits connected to that battery and an automatic transfer switch that immediately switches from the grid to battery in the event of a power outage
16:05:32 <sudo_ki[m]> <crypto_grampy[m]> "There's a bit more to it as sola" <- So there is such a thing as a grid tie inverter. Which will only output power if it senses power from the electrical socket. That way electrician s are safe as when they break the line, the inverters stop working
16:06:05 <sudo_ki[m]> Those set ups are crazy simple, wires from the solar panels and a wire out of the inverter and into the wall
16:07:14 <crypto_grampy[m]> Yep I just wanted to make sure people weren't plugging their solar panels into the wall 😂
16:07:37 <crypto_grampy[m]> Though I know the monero community is smarter than that
16:08:35 <sudo_ki[m]> crypto_grampy[m]: XD careful. I will say, if you make it to matrix at least, you're a certain kind
16:22:13 <sudo_ki[m]> To me, trying to power your miners with solar is good step to take anyway, regards of the cost if power. If your going to drop a load of cash with the objective of mining. You ought to invest in solar too
16:50:13 <pilotg[m]> <ChadthePervious[> "Not sure what country you're in," <- haha, yeah try and come to europe sir. you think US is expensive, in holland, denmark and switzerland you have to multiply everything with 2. the actual power cost is around 8 cent, then our government that owns the power grid take the remaining 24 cents
16:51:26 <pilotg[m]> i plan moving to a cheaper country soon though, also in eu, which are heavily exposed to sun so there will be some better incentives 
16:58:27 <nioc> from what I hear, in Germany you can't use the solar you generate but must sell it to the power company at a very reduced rate
16:59:10 <selsta> that sounds kinda dumb
17:05:51 <sudo_ki[m]> * To me, trying to power your miners with solar is good step to take anyway, regardless of the cost if power. If your going to drop a load of cash with the objective of mining. You ought to invest in solar too
18:14:17 <ChadthePervious[> Like the State owns the photons, and you have no right to use them for yourself? Lmao. Guess that means farmers are sun thieves
18:52:47 <gingeropolous> its kinda the same in the states with solar. i investigated the option, and the dude told me that no, the solar you generate can't be used directly, it goes to the grid
18:57:38 <plowsof[m]> If you cant use solar panes to charge your own batteries - and send only the excess to the grid, there's no point in solar 
18:57:50 <ChadthePervious[> That would make it illegal to buy solar phone/laptop chargers, camping panels, etc. Maybe I'm missing something.
18:57:50 <ChadthePervious[> I have a colleague in the states with solar panels set up to a separate junction box in his house for direct usage, and his power company knows about it and had it certified by a licensed electrician. Also lots of rural ranchers that have solar panels set up to power irrigation pumps and cattle feeds, etc. 
18:58:40 <ChadthePervious[> I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure its legal to use your own solar energy in the US. In fact, I cant imagine how it would be legal to disallow that
19:03:52 <gingeropolous> yeah. i think if i had batteries it woulda been different. but the vendor i was talking with didn't do batteries or watever
19:05:53 <crypto_grampy[m]> Some places in the us offer different rates at different times of day.  You could, for example, charge a battery pack at low rate and power your miners off battery at times of high rates
19:06:43 <crypto_grampy[m]> Something like this may make more sense than solar
19:07:15 <crypto_grampy[m]> I believe some of the new ev's coming out have bidirectional charging capabilities as well
19:07:43 <Keiji[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/p8bqxd/24_hour_reminder_community_workgroup_meeting_21/
21:29:11 <geonic> crypto_grampy[m]: I thought nursing homes didn't charge their residents for electricity?
22:40:54 <pilotg[m]> can someone recommend me a pool? 
22:41:27 <pilotg[m]> preferrable not one of the biggest ones to do my part in decentralizing 
22:42:58 <assratatouille> hashvault for purely monero
22:43:07 <assratatouille> moneroocean if you wanna do some algo switching
22:43:38 <assratatouille> even if you just mine monero, MO has 0% fee for now
22:45:01 <pilotg[m]> thx 
23:56:01 <rottenwheel> <pilotg[m]> "can someone recommend me a pool?" <- I heard the guys over at supportxmr are nice