07:55:07 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Is there a way for me to build a site like ebay with Monero?
07:55:45 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> I want to help with an existing project like that, or start one and get devs on board
07:56:16 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> * I want to either help with an existing project like that, or start one and get devs on board
07:57:12 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Or I guess, more like Amazon Marketplace
07:58:18 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> True
08:01:00 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> The idea would mainly be to make it easier for businesses to use Monero and connect people to them.
08:02:09 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> The trickiest part personally would be developing a payment processor which doesn't rely on javascript
08:02:25 <msvb-lab> ch0ccyra1n[m] Mumuks The friendly outreach hackers would be a good source of ideas for a marketplace, if Mumuks concern about encouragement is accurate.
08:05:32 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> msvb-lab: Huh?
08:06:23 <msvb-lab> The comment corresponds with the marketplace statement you made about nine minutes ago.
08:07:56 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Yeah I just don't understand the meaning. My english is not the best
08:11:30 <msvb-lab> I'll try to rephrase the suggestion. If you want to create a marketplace and have the concern that Mumuks expressed, then Monero Outreach (staff and contributors) coud be a good source of help.
08:12:02 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Ah thanks
08:12:13 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> * Ah thanks, I understand now.
08:50:40 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > Is there a way for me to build a site like ebay with Monero?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/655415d7a8ce91ca67bee7d494f1b69c1e9a5cfe)
08:51:58 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> No way would I use JS tho for this
08:52:38 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> But yeah, it sounds like a good roadmap so to speak
08:53:00 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Non-custodial JavaScript web wallet is more secure than custodial PHP/Python/Node.js alternatives, but external wallet support is the most secure.
08:53:28 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Yes. I think external would make sense
08:55:00 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> probably gonna write a proof of concept in python or smth
08:56:14 <anarkiocrypto[m]> There are other Python projects in #monero-punks:libera:chat if you are interested (e.g. using open source work as a foundation, getting feedback, etc.).
08:56:49 <Rucknium[m]> anarkiocrypto:  CryptoWoo accepts XMR https://www.cryptowoo.com/
08:57:30 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> WooCommerce? isn't wordpress like, incredibly insecure?
08:58:19 <Rucknium[m]> CryptoWoo is under new management. The developer is trying to raise funds for further features, although the requested budget seems high to me: https://funding.cryptowoo.com/
08:59:07 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Still looks cool tho
08:59:22 <anarkiocrypto[m]> WooCommerce works fine for online stores. Here is another Monero plugin: https://monerointegrations.com/
08:59:22 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Better to have a WooCommerce Monero marketplace than no Monero marketplace (especially as existing online marketplaces require exclusionary KYC payment methods that many people don't even have access to, such as banking and credit cards).
08:59:22 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Although a custom coded solution e.g. in Python would be better and more secure.
09:00:59 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> True true
10:52:51 <mechanic41turk[m> <sethsimmons> "I would definitely be game for..." <- Doing Monero presentation on BANB conf would be great! Godspeed, Seth!
11:44:41 <sethsimmons> <mechanic41turk[m> "Doing Monero presentation on BAN" <- Up to them but I hope myself or someone else can do one!
16:50:59 <msvb-lab> Does today's (Monero Space) meeting require audio and video, or is it here on IRC?
17:02:32 <MSvB[m]> > Doing Monero presentation on BANB conf would be great! Godspeed, Seth!
17:02:58 <MSvB[m]> What is the BANB, some conference? Is it the same as the one in Austin organised by Samourai enthusiasts?
17:09:22 <xmrscott[m]> <msvb-lab> "Does today's (Monero Space..." <- Always IRC, but it's on -space, not -community similar to how dev is on -dev, etc
17:10:12 <xmrscott[m]> Didn't hit quarum tho due to a variety of reasons so pushed to Sept
17:15:38 <sethsimmons> <MSvB[m]> "What is the BANB, some conferenc" <- Yup!
17:19:58 <msvb-lab> Great xmrscott[m], thank you for the help. I forgot about the URI.
17:23:18 <dEBRUYNE> jberman[m]: Ping for -> berman[m]: Would recommend to post your proposal on Reddit as well to improve visibility
17:31:26 <Rucknium[m]> My plan right now is to submit a CCS proposal within two weeks. I read the instructions, but practically what do I need to do to make the process go right? How long does the proposal usually stay in the "idea" phase before it goes to "funding required"? And how is it decided when that transition occurs?
18:41:18 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Btw, with regards to the marketplace software, what to call it?
18:49:43 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Perhaps Bazaro to fit in the naming scheme of Monero, Haveno, etc.
18:50:39 <geonic> do you plan on moderating what's being sold?
18:51:06 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> My goal is just to make the software and make it freely available
18:51:17 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> I don't plan to be an administrator
18:52:21 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> But if I make a reference marketplace for demonstration I probably would moderate it.
18:56:04 <geonic> I like "Borso"
18:56:12 <geonic> here's some other ideas: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mmrchk/im_happy_to_announce_haveno_the_monero_based_dex/gtubd83
18:57:43 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> XMRket is another name, albeit a cheesy one imo
18:58:57 <geonic> leave it untitled for now and the name will come :p that's an easy one
18:59:25 <geonic> maybe see what caused OpenBazaar to fail so you avoid those mistakes
19:01:09 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Yeah. I was thinking of having the design more akin to BitWasp, in that it is centralized, but self-hosted
19:04:56 <anarkiocrypto[m]> OpenBazaar was difficult to install in Whonix Workstation and required you to host your own store.
19:04:56 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Whereas with Ebay, you just need to create an account and can sell things immediately (at least for people who can pass KYC to get Paypal/bank account...).
19:04:56 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Maybe your software could allow public multi-seller marketplaces, so someone could run a public Ebay-like marketplace (and maybe monetize this with fees). If someone just wants an online store that is more secure than WooCommerce, they can download your software and disable multi-seller feature so they only sell their own products.
19:06:31 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Great idea! I've been writing some notes on the various ideas people send here.
19:28:44 <netrik182> Rucknium: the route usually goes like
19:29:21 <netrik182> You write the proposal, post the link here and reddit and ask for feedback / supporters
19:30:14 <netrik182> Then it will be discussed at -community meeting
19:30:53 <netrik182> If loose consensus says it should be moved to funding it will be
19:31:25 <netrik182> People might make questions during the meeting so you might be present to address them
19:32:37 <netrik182> That's not a rule but most proposals go like this afaik
19:36:28 <nioc> as to how fast it will proceed, this depends in part to what feedback the proposal gets  
19:36:39 <nioc> the more positive and numerous the feedback the quicker things tend to go    
19:36:42 <nioc> the previous track record of the person also means something
19:52:39 <Rucknium[m]> netrik182: nioc  Thanks! The proposal will be to research and develop an improved mixin selection algorithm as mentioned here: 
19:52:39 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/86#issuecomment-905800761 
20:50:44 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> For Bazaro, I made a chatroom at #bazaro-dev:matrix.org 
20:50:52 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> If anyone's interested :)
20:53:22 <geonic> can you create an irc channel too
20:54:33 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Sure thing.
21:38:11 <sgp_[m]> geonic: your comments in the jberman CCS proposal are unnecessarily hostile
21:39:50 <sgp_[m]> it's really exhausting to deal with you running around trying to pick fights all the time
21:41:04 <sgp_[m]> the hostile behavior you exhibit is far more likely to detract dev interest in Monero, since you will rage war if they don't meet your arbitrary standards of what you think a "pure" contribution is
21:42:23 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> If they want only "pure" contributions, they can fork it.
21:45:50 <sgp_[m]> who can fork Monero, geonic?
21:46:11 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Lol sure. Not that anyone will use it
21:46:30 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> I kinda meant it as a half-serious joke
21:47:12 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Hard to communicate that with only text admittedly
21:47:17 <sgp_[m]> I would LOL so hard if toxic Monero extremism went so far to result in forking Monero, lol
21:47:32 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> 😆
22:07:00 <Inge> hashrate looks more bullish than tx count lately
22:08:58 <xmrscott[m]> For easy context:
22:09:04 * xmrscott[m] uploaded an image: (367KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/hfhDcuKNjLrNHeImBpWYgstS/image.png >
22:09:53 <xmrscott[m]> (Y-axis in 200M increments)
22:15:59 <sgp_[m]> wow, very nice
22:18:32 <geonic> sgp_[m] your allegations of hostility are going a bit too far. disagreement is not hostility, as much as you would like it to be. I was having a conversation with jberman[m] before you rushed in with your armor to defend the honor of your friend (who, to be clear, is not jberman -- he spoke for himself better than you could)
22:21:23 <ch0ccyra1n[m]> Gonna just mute this chatroom for now. Let me know when the drama subsides
22:23:39 <sgp_[m]> I don't even know what that sentence is supposed to say
22:24:02 <geonic> ask Diego, maybe he can help translate. isn't he sitting next to you? :)
22:24:15 <sgp_[m]> dude what's wrong with you
22:24:36 <geonic> take a joke
22:24:37 <sgp_[m]> how is that an acceptable thing to say
22:24:58 <geonic> https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1431734638511366144?s=20
22:25:20 <sgp_[m]> it's not a funny joke
22:27:11 <geonic> muting you for now. I've had my daily dose of feigned outrage.
22:28:35 <sgp_[m]> always fantastic when someone who consistently pisses people off claims that everyone else is in the wrong, that's totally healthy
22:29:28 <geonic> ok, last response. no one was talking to you and you've accosted me on Gitlab, on Twitter and here. who is harassing whom?
22:30:11 <sgp_[m]> https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1431379995880931331
22:30:25 <sgp_[m]> you've been picking fights all week
22:37:47 <geonic> expressing opinions = picking fights. good to know. btw your excuse sounds a lot like "No one has asked us to use the backdoor we built into Monero and we never have. We just built it in case we need to use it." Please.
22:38:36 <geonic> so your feigned outrage here is really retribution for my comments regarding Monero Space LLC... ok, I'm really done.
22:41:46 <plowsof[m]> Obligatory I am not a cat joke 🐱
22:42:29 <geonic> meow
23:54:27 <carrington[m]> Geonic stated that LLCs being formed as workgroups leads to NDAs. Does geonic suggest some strict criteria that determines what is a "work group" so that NDAs will never be needed, even when running a support system handling sensitive user information?
23:56:52 <geonic> I said LLCs masquerading as workgroups leads to volunteers signing NDAs. I suggest that LLCs make it clear that they are in fact LLCs and not try to hide their own status so that expectations are clear from the start.
23:57:42 <geonic> https://twitter.com/_geonic/status/1406689964960583681?s=20
23:58:10 <carrington[m]> Monero Space forming an LLC was discussed at length in several public channels, and the reasons why were made clear
23:59:33 <geonic> anyone can form their own LLC. nothing against that. I am against long time volunteers leveraging their history with the project to get special treatment for their LLC and designate it as something it's not.
23:59:44 <geonic> why not list Cypher Stack as a Monero Workgroup too while we're at it?