03:26:54 crypto_grampy: 8bit monerochan girl https://xmr.radio/monerochan.html 03:31:10 ajs_[m]: OOOOOOO. Very cool. 03:31:31 where are the Monero logos though?! the CPU mining rig? 03:35:54 soon 03:43:26 awesome. Just FYI are a few anons commissioning monerochan art here: https://moneroart.neocities.org/ and there has been discussion of commissioning a monerochan gif piece 😀 03:43:43 s/awesome. Just FYI are a few anons commissioning monerochan art here: https://moneroart.neocities.org/ and there has been discussion of commissioning a monerochan gif piece 😀/awesome. Just FYI are a few anons commissioning monerochan art here: https://moneroart.neocities.org/ and there has been discussion of adding a monerochan gif piece to the list 😀 / 03:44:22 site is a work in progress 03:44:30 * site is new and a work 04:07:28 > Walking doggirl Wownero-chan on a leash 04:07:29 lol 04:08:10 "crypto_grampy: 8bit monerochan..." <- thanks for sharing 06:35:07 I don't mean to be funny, but I think we need to offer much more for those works. It take hours to be creative like that and we offer so much more for other skills already 06:46:01 s/don't mean to be funny, but I// 08:03:23 "I don't mean to be funny, but I..." <- Those works are outsourced to fiver or or similar site and the prices are the standard market rate. From what I've heard the guy managing it always tips generously from his own pocket 10:51:06 thread is now deleted as it was becoming fodder for trolls 12:48:27 You're a bit late there, captain. 13:25:56 seems like needmoney90 wouldn't mind one of those Monero beef-airing Wednesdays with geonic 13:26:18 I can sense some beef there :p 13:26:32 I'm fine. It's a bad idea. 13:28:30 you're right, let's just pent-up frustration like real men do 13:37:48 I think some folk get pleasure from hold grudges 13:38:40 When you're a moderator, you have to hold your words and follow a different process. Even if someone is repeatedly attempting to goad you. It's really not the right forum for me to air grievances. 13:38:56 Or have them aired for that matter 13:39:16 Speak softly and carry a big stick. 13:39:39 s/hold/holding/ 13:39:53 No, I meant what I said. 13:40:04 I do in fact hold my words. 13:40:31 Ah, you were fixing your message 13:40:35 It's early, forgive me 13:41:29 needmoney90: I need to learn this and improve, hard to balance being a community member and moderator and separate the two as needed. 13:42:05 It's tough. The line blurs, especially when people try to force them to blur 13:42:17 Perhaps an event such as this would be the only appropriate time, as mod, one could air grievances 13:42:28 Not interested. 13:43:00 That's fair enough 13:43:45 It's never going to appeal to everyone 13:45:22 Like any customer facing role, have to be polite no matter what 😁 13:45:52 Imagine not being able to sh*tpost once in a while.. what kind of an online-life is that!? 13:47:12 Oh, I can shitpost, just not in the same way 13:47:28 Have to be a bit more clever/reserved about it 13:48:37 XD doesn't necessarily sound like the mod you aspire to be though 13:49:57 Reality is often disappointing 13:52:26 word 13:58:05 I should mention, these beefs shouldn't be limited to persons, but as with genoics, a state of affairs should be valid also 14:03:44 needmoney90 "When you're a moderator, you have to hold your words and follow a different process" <- I do not think mods should hold themselves to higher standards 14:04:14 wut 14:04:21 Being a mod is being a janitor 14:04:32 Lol 14:04:35 thinking of it as higher than that is an ego trip 14:04:43 ego trips are bad seth 14:04:47 Ok buddy. 14:04:55 Just sayin´ 14:05:10 I guess holding myself to a higher standard is bad XD 14:05:15 commence lowering standards 14:05:34 no is great, as long you do it for yourself and not because you think of the mod position as something important 14:05:38 it really is not 14:05:43 the community is what matters 14:05:50 Of course I do that for myself. 14:05:55 Bravo then 14:06:01 Modding is important but I'm not better than anyone else 14:06:03 I understand what your saying totally. Good moderates are that because of their inherent personality. Not because they consciously hold themselves to higher standards 14:06:12 But I do choose to give up my own time to help mod. 14:06:50 Y'all have a good one. 14:06:55 sudo_ki[m] "Good moderates are that because of their inherent personality. Not because they consciously hold themselves to higher standards" <- Exactly 14:07:07 sudo_ki[m]: That's not meant as indirect criticism 14:07:10 Have a good day Seth 14:09:52 If one decided they couldn't take part in public airing of grievances. I would argue that some level on bad faith is in play 14:10:17 A distinction should be drawn between a mediator and a moderator 14:10:34 It's a balancing act. 14:11:08 "needmoney90 "When you're a..." <- Lol you won't be mod for long if you lower your standards 14:11:12 so being a mod doesn't have any more responsibility than shitposting? wut 14:11:24 nioc: Spot on 14:11:31 We need lower mod standards 14:11:41 This would fix our community forever 14:11:41 If I were a mod and someone made my work difficult. I'd be pissed if it continued and I couldn't voice my opinion and have the open support of the community 14:12:10 You must be joking 14:12:32 Lower, no, fairer, yes 14:12:46 Of course it's sarcasm :P 14:13:02 What is a "fairer standard" for a mod? 14:13:23 Can we get a mod with very low standards in here to speak 14:13:30 speaking 14:13:37 I don't know, I don't know the beefs ;) 14:13:38 Based 14:13:41 lulz 14:13:52 Ginger shitposts short stories sometimes 14:14:00 abortions for some, tiny american flags for others! 14:15:03 well that landed flat. I'll be here all night! don't forget to tip your server! 14:15:45 I didn't know there was a tip bot for matrix 14:16:06 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jxh9sHRh/Screenshot_2021-09-06_at_00-26-34_Facebook.png 14:22:30 s/on/of/ 14:23:05 Imagine arguing in here when you could be buying McDonald's on lightning: https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/1435236902274220040?s=20 14:24:42 he sold the news and all he got was this hamburger 14:26:42 that was a $5 meal 14:28:20 I hope every last one of you stands with Michael saylor in buying 30$ of Bitcoin today for El Salvador solidarity 14:28:40 he bought $30 worth of BTC today? 14:28:42 Something something cyber horneys 14:29:13 Inge: I'm just shitposting. Nurse hasn't brought me my meds yet 14:30:00 fun to see it. 14:30:49 every morning I call someone so that they can remind me to take my meds 14:32:59 important to be consistent 14:33:45 "Lol you won't be mod for long if you lower your standards" <- No one said anything about lowering standards, they brought the term up cause it was easier to argue against lowering standards than to what I referred 14:34:19 I repeat, I do not think mods should hold themselves to higher standards. Being a mod is being a janitor thinking of it as higher than that is an ego trip. 14:34:51 You don't hold your primary school janitor to higher standards just because he works there to unclog pipes when they clog 14:35:11 Same with reddit mods 14:35:13 Imho 14:35:57 so being a mod doesn't have any more responsibility than shitposting? wut 14:36:14 it must unclog pipes when they clog, that is it 14:36:42 if only people were as simple as pipes 14:37:03 What a belief system, wow 14:37:18 brb, creating new "janitor" flair for Reddit 14:37:50 Chamus: Being a mod is being a moderator. You moderate a discussion. Being a janitor is cleaning up safemoon and porn spam. You're overly invested in your janitor idea.... 14:38:45 As I clarified, it was in my humble opinion. I would not dare to think to hold the Truth, of course! 14:38:57 So let's just agree to disagree on this one Grampy ;) 14:38:57 :) 14:39:02 Can someone cristen chamus as the janitor mod 14:39:47 I want to see the theory of highly opinionated low standard moderation in action 14:40:10 lol 14:40:18 maybe you already are! 14:40:21 ;) 14:40:29 🌝 14:40:49 I'm a safemoon mod 14:41:14 The dream job! 14:41:15 lol 14:43:04 tbf, an "Official Monero toilet cleaner" flair might be fun 14:43:26 I vote for Diego 14:43:31 Too soon? :p 14:43:39 crypto_grampy[m]: I can take this to the mod team 14:43:52 We'll whip out our mops and decide if we will lower our standards or not 14:44:05 Just a bunch of janitors chatting in the janitor closet 14:44:15 Is not lowering ur standards seth, is just about not thinking your reddit mod role is anything special 14:44:19 "Moderating, it's just being a janitor!" 14:44:24 How do y'all decide which size plunger to use 14:44:34 And can you really not use a spanner on a sink faucet 14:44:53 Chamus: Standards and having an ego are different 14:45:02 You specified mods should not have a higher standard for themselves. 14:45:22 Trust me, no mod is glad they are a mod or proud because of it. 14:45:33 Moderating is an awful job that is zero fun and always upsets someone. 14:45:55 Maybe is not for you then 14:46:13 lol 14:46:22 Said as someone who is clearly not a mod of a large community. 14:46:34 Fair point 14:46:39 lol 14:46:44 Believe what you will, we take moderation very seriously and do our best. 14:46:55 But my point refereed to you feeling it is awful to be a mod 14:47:01 We have very high standards for each other and consider it a duty that is much-needed and ill-appreciated. 14:47:12 Chamus: Have never met a mod who enjoyed it 14:47:20 Because it's not a job you can enjoy 14:47:29 It's a duty that must be fulfilled by someone, and people step up and fill it. 14:47:29 Not with that mentality 14:47:37 Moderator of a multi billion dollar cryptocurrency community with over 200k members where there's definitely not weird incentives at play* 14:47:38 Lol 14:47:58 needmoney90: Well, true, moons may play a role in enjoyment for them 14:48:13 That's us too seth 14:48:36 I have no moons 14:48:37 am sad 14:48:42 If you wanna moderate your sandbox as a janitor where there's no reason for bad actors to step in and throw a wrench in the works, and then compare it to what we do here, go for it. I don't need to convince anyone of why we need standards. 14:50:04 You lack a lot of the perspective necessary to understand exactly what you're proposing. 14:50:20 You reckon? 14:50:31 How much do you know about me man 14:50:51 Troll on, I'm not taking the bait 14:50:55 Not trolling 14:51:03 Conversation over if you want 14:51:07 Have a good day sir 14:54:25 Tfw someone that doesn't do your job walks up and tells you how you should do your job 14:55:55 I don't have to be a janitor to know that if a pipe is clogged, you do not throw more shit at it 14:56:31 Lol 14:56:44 haha 15:03:31 "Troll on, I'm not taking the..." <- Thing is, you already did 15:04:17 Just because someone is not in your shoes doesn't mean they can't sympathies 15:05:11 The fact that comparing mods and janitors gets this much traction is a damm shame 15:31:30 i second the motion of chamus for janitor mod 15:35:32 Rucknium[m]: midipoet - the issue was not that it was more lucrative to work for alternative scam projects 15:36:25 it was just that it was viable for their lives and peace of mind 15:36:38 that means we failed as a community to make up our minds to secure their salaries and benefits 15:36:50 part of that was we were disrupted as a community 15:37:19 the bullshit asymmetry principle makes it easy for anyone to come and drown out legitimate points before the legitimate points gain influence in policy making 15:37:50 the community is the one with the vulnerability here 15:39:03 as long as people do not make up their minds to hold everyone in the community to a high standard - then anyone will be able to disrupt a process of good decision making 15:39:35 the problem is that we allow lots of people in the community who may believe in monero but who do not know right from wrong to influence conversations 15:40:28 that's on all of you personally. Monero's culture wasn't made by us promoting merely whatever would appear to pump the price temporarily 15:40:42 if we want to attract and keep good people then that culture must not be compromised 15:42:40 however there's a solid chance that the culture is actively being compromised right now 15:42:53 those who would seek to do it would require plausible deniability and apparent legitimacy until their job is done 15:43:08 beware of a person appearing legitimate merely because people appear to support that person 15:43:38 we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than such animalistic impulses as popularity contests 15:44:11 if we do not then the community can never expect the project to survive much less to be taken seriously by academic researchers who do actually know right from wrong 15:44:39 however much other people use the term "ego", it is the height of pride to ignore or ridicule these sentiments 15:45:28 you will all show your priorities by whether you think highly of people's actual lives in supporting the researchers who do know right from wrong, or if you will instead prioritize your popularity contests backing whoever seems to get the most attention on twitter 15:48:41 endogenic "that means we failed as a community to make up our minds to secure their salaries and benefits" in my opinion this is exactly the most pressing issue Monero has to ensure sustainability 15:50:15 Monero has everything it takes to become a global powerhouse in top-talent attraction, and we the community should rush to capitalise on this potential. 15:51:09 endogenic: what's the actual point behind the wall of text? What are actionable steps you're recommending? 15:51:15 Community funding should only get funneled through non-for-profit vechicles. Period. 15:51:28 Chamus: what are you doing to help make that "global powerhouse" reality happen? 15:51:36 Or what do you propose other's do for you to make it happen? 15:51:51 I have tried in the past 15:51:58 So many people around here love talking and do nothing tangible. 15:52:12 dont rush to judge seth 15:52:14 So let's see some concrete action or realistic suggestions and driving those suggestions. 15:52:22 I'm not judging anyone? 15:52:24 Wow 15:52:25 you might get burned 15:52:27 Much 15:52:29 I'm asking for something more than just walls of text 15:52:55 sethsimmons: do you have any idea who i am? 15:53:04 There are literally thousands of people chatting and participating in Monero community spaces, and very, very few actually contribute in meaningful ways past that. 15:53:07 endogenic: Yes. 15:53:08 perhaps the problem is you're not ready to admit your culpability 15:53:19 I know what you have done in the past, I mean what do you propose out of this. 15:53:20 You really seem to have a chip on you shoulder seth 15:53:34 Against what? 15:53:58 Against.. Do you even know what you're saying 15:53:59 I just say is not wise rushing to judge 15:54:01 I like focused action, not endless chatting. 15:54:06 I get tired of being one of the few driving real action. 15:54:22 Them take a seat an relax 15:54:26 if someone is not ready to admit their role in the problem or if they have a conflict of interest or ulterior motives then they won't be able to pick up on what i'm hinting at . and it only appears to you as though i'm hinting at something when it's relatively plain to people to actually *want* to know 15:54:28 s/Them/Then/ 15:54:36 all you have to do is ask me questions with genuine interest and i will tell you 15:54:40 And being called a "janitor" for a part of that action by the same person who said "I have not and could never" do more for Monero than a certain banned individual. 15:54:50 and seth you do not know what i have done in the past 15:54:55 you keep rushing 15:54:55 all you know is what you were exposed to 15:55:00 Something mught be cooking Seth 15:55:02 endogenic: I literally asked you a question with genuine interest. 15:55:06 just sayin' 15:55:15 ? 15:55:21 What is 15:55:46 sethsimmons: adding your thought that there was nothing actionable or that it was a wall of text does not qualify as genuine interest. sorry buddy 15:55:48 You love insulting me and denigrating the work I do publicly -- what are you doing to help drive forward the change you seem to want to see? 15:55:59 (that is to Chamus, not you endogenic) 15:56:04 from my perspective you are generating walls of text as well seth 15:56:09 endogenic: I asked what the action you wanted out of it was. 15:56:22 i want you to humble yourself for a moment, let's start with that 15:56:32 I couldn't find the actual actionable detail from your messages, so I asked for clarification. 15:56:35 Action!=reflection 15:56:38 Excuse me for wanting to better understand. 15:56:49 For starters, since you wanna go there Seth 15:56:50 endogenic: I'm not coming from a place of pride, here. 15:56:57 your replies have the mark of someone more interested in winning an argument than understanding and benefiting people 15:56:58 Although of course I am not perfect in that area. 15:57:11 There is no argument? 15:57:22 I want to know what you both are proposing that is actionable and helpful. 15:57:24 then stop contradicting what i'm saying 15:57:28 let's start with that 15:57:52 and how exactly are you supporting my work in the monero community, anyway, Seth? 15:57:54 I approached Justin 15:58:05 do you know any of the things i've posted on reddit recently? or the actionable steps i've proposed in the past? 15:58:17 With this roadmap to turn Monero into a attraction powerhouse 15:58:18 endogenic: What work, currently? 15:58:26 it's easy to claim in front of people here that i have no actionable steps when the end result is merely the disruption of an effort towards the right direction 15:58:27 I don't know of anything but I don't keep up with you. 15:58:29 sethsimmons: so you don't know 15:58:37 it's better for you to spend some time learning first then 15:58:39 before you try to teach people 15:58:39 Turn monero into a talent attraction powerhouse* 15:58:40 I didn't say you didn't, I asked for what they were lol 15:58:47 Chamus: Great! 15:58:56 Are you able to take up driving it to completion? 15:59:15 There’s no need for any “Monero development funds” managed by a board of a handful of elected members, and there is certainly no need to funnel CCS funding through for-profit entities like we tried to in the past. 15:59:15 I worked as a headhunter for the tech industry globally and for over a decade. I have been exposed to FLOSS and innovation management as well as with countless searches for technical profiles, and think there is a way in which which Monero could start embarking top talent systematically 15:59:15 The approach would look as follows: 15:59:15 1. We interview Core Team members and Top Monero Devs to see what are the most urgent, relevant, revolutionary features they could conceive Monero could have if we only we had the right people working on it 15:59:15 2. We decide talent needs on a per project basis and present CCS proposals for funding 15:59:16 3. If proposal gets funded we go to the market and headhunt for the right talent to head the projects (I’d be happy to run these searches pro bono) 15:59:16 4. If we're able to recruit the right talent (which we will if the budget is there) we open a “disposable” Estonian NGO (Estonia’s ease of compliance and “E-Residency” provide the ideal structure to funnel funding for such a universal FLOSS Projects as Monero) that wil only serve to fund the salaries of the devs working on that one 15:59:17 particular CCS-funded project. Once the project is completed, the Estonian NGO gets forever shutdown. So not “the Monero Foundation” but disposable “monero foundations”, as to avoid centralisation. 15:59:17 5. If we're unable to recruit (once again, unlikely if we have the budget), money goes back to donors 15:59:18 6. Then we move to the next projects and follow steps 1-5 once again 15:59:57 That seems like an excellent approach! 16:00:03 I look forward to seeing it happen. 16:00:30 That is a desperate need for Monero moving forward, IMO, so glad to see you're stepping up and helping to solve it. 16:00:33 sethsimmons Gladly I found someone in the community who is helping to make this happen 16:00:52 We also need talent for MRL. Not only programmers. 16:00:59 It can be done 16:01:04 Yes. 16:01:04 Divide labor and conquer. 16:01:13 I would imagine that proposal is for both, seems like it. 16:01:19 If the search criteria and the budget are reasonable, and we have a legal vehicle to funnel salaries 16:01:22 Rucknium[m]: it's not just talent which is needed, but a commitment to look after those people 16:01:25 so far we failed there 16:01:30 We could find any type of profile 16:02:05 sethsimmons for starters the actionable step I'm going to suggest for you to is to shadow me for some time 16:02:08 sethsimmons: Search for MRL talent should look different, IMHO. 16:02:44 to be quite honest you raise a lot of red flags to me 16:03:19 what concerns me is that this community seeks leadership and keeps taking refuge in abusive people 16:03:41 the path to success for monero is extremely clear to me 16:03:50 the problem is whether people are ready to hear it 16:04:25 we need all the help we can get in encouraging interest in confirming that plan rather than divisiveness and attempts to grab positions of influence among people who are looking for someone who is capable of leading 16:05:12 i'm going to sign off now - i have work to do which i find little help in accomplishing. frankly, i dont trust very many people anymore either 16:05:28 when you demonstrate to me that i can trust you then i will start to tell you more 16:07:05 You da man endogenic, I have always been very grateful for your contributions to Monero 16:11:03 Estonian NGO? 16:11:11 you mean LLC? 16:11:28 There might be friendlier jurisdictions to what we need, but probably not 16:11:31 no 16:11:32 NGO 16:11:35 non for profit 16:11:38 obvs 16:11:47 In Estonia it's oü 16:12:26 NGO means non governmental organization 16:12:32 exactly 16:12:42 Do we have any Estonians here? 16:12:42 Not non profit 16:12:43 is a term for the third sector 16:12:52 "Seth for starters the actionable..." <- In what role and for what purpose? 16:13:05 you dont need estonians!, but we probably more than a few in Monero 16:13:24 generally, non-profits are limited in the type of actives they can engage in 16:13:39 we only need to fund development 16:13:44 they can very well do that 16:13:49 what do you wanna do? 16:13:49 If you want to do taxes, having Estonians on board will help, trust me 16:13:50 *activities 16:14:03 you dont need estonians 16:14:19 anyone can become a estonian with the e residence 16:14:22 is 100 euro 16:14:40 for company, you need a resident agent 16:14:40 Is one of ther genius innovative feats 16:14:55 locally 16:15:00 they are a tiny country so they open themselves to global talent and entrepeneurship via a estonian e residnce 16:15:29 yes 16:15:42 Yes 16:15:45 but you still need a local agent 16:15:52 But is super cheap 16:15:57 Of course, it has trade offs 16:16:04 better than cipher stack no? 16:16:38 https://learn.e-resident.gov.ee/hc/en-us/articles/360002468417-Forms-of-business 16:17:10 that does not apply man 16:17:21 All those legal vehicles in your link are for profit 16:17:23 private limited company (OÜ) = LLC 16:17:26 You can also set up a non-profit association (MTÜ), regulated by Non-profit Associations Act. Since the aim of a non-profit organisation is not to generate profit, the taxation differs from taxation of limited companies. Please also note that at least 1/2 of board members must reside in Estonia, EEA or Switzerland. 16:17:34 Exactly! 16:17:35 MRL had a need that was discussed and known and yet nobody acted except for cypher stack 16:17:56 what exactly was the need that MRL had? 16:17:56 That speaks poorly of MRL I guess? 16:18:22 does it? 16:18:39 there was one member of the MRL that had a need, he could have outsourced that all (with close to zero work on his side) and charge next CCS for it 16:18:42 If they needed action and a 3rd party was the only one that took action, yes 16:18:49 it's not like there were no alternatives to Cypher stack 16:18:56 Anyway 16:19:05 Let's focus on the merit or not of this proposal 16:19:27 Chamus: or poorly on the community 16:19:33 also wasn't there MAGIC already? 16:19:34 That too 16:19:35 Yes 16:19:37 Agreed 16:19:40 yes we need no circular firing squads 16:19:50 Magic is so suboptimal vs Estonia 16:19:55 +Monero is global 16:19:58 Donors are global 16:20:14 Devs are globally based and more affordable abroad 16:20:14 sure 16:20:29 Something that exists is always better than something that does not exist. I do like this Estonia idea 16:20:32 Maybe magic makes sense for American talent 16:20:35 but not beyond that 16:21:01 Plus with Magic you get them vetoing what they want 16:21:16 Which is what these disposable ngos solve 16:21:20 that centralisation 16:21:33 No one amasses too much power, like is the case with magic 16:22:20 Chamus: You should not expect scholars to do administrative/accounting work. If/when MRL says they need an admin/accounting solution, it would be best for someone outside of MRL to ensure that the need is filled. 16:22:43 that work can be completely outsourced for a fee 16:22:51 with minimal work on the contracting party 16:22:57 Yes, I'm talking about on boarding top technical talent 16:22:58 Why can't we do most of these things via CCS? 16:23:03 Developers and Academic researchers 16:23:22 you pay a lawyer, you pay accountants, you set an LLC, done. 16:23:35 Make Monero even more a powerhouse of talent attraction that it already is with all of you cool kids working on it ;) 16:23:53 LLC is for profit 16:23:56 sure 16:24:04 it would be under the person being contracted 16:24:06 Rucknium[m]: people are not always willing to accept the volatility of the CCS 16:24:11 Community development should be funded through non for profit vehicles. period. 16:24:13 Is very doable 16:24:20 No reason to involve profiteers really 16:24:37 I'm not saying to involve profiteers 16:24:44 if we address the volatility then OK 16:24:50 We convert 16:24:59 We ask, we get funded we convert 16:25:25 I'm saying that if someone, that wants to work for monero, and isn't ok receiving monero from the CCS can always established an LLC and charge that to the community 16:25:38 it's not like scholars have to do that work themselves, people will do that work for you. 16:25:40 nioc: I mean, one option is to disburse funds immediately upon full funding of the proposal. Much less exchange rate risk that way. BCH does it that way with Flipstarter. 16:26:00 Much higher risk of work not getting completed 16:26:10 Rucknium[m]> man, you also had some ideas for recruiting no? 16:26:11 also I'm donating monero to a proposal 16:26:14 not fiat 16:26:21 what if the work is not completed? 16:26:27 But Talent will want to get paid in fiat 16:26:43 the NGO now converts back to monero at whatever rates and sends back to the dev fund? 16:26:46 "All those legal vehicles in your..." <- You can also set up a non-profit association (MTÜ), regulated by Non-profit Associations Act. Since the aim of a non-profit organisation is not to generate profit, the taxation differs from taxation of limited companies. Please also note that at least 1/2 of board members must reside in Estonia, EEA or Switzerland 16:26:54 Chamus: Yes, I do. I am going to post to r/Monero once the El Salvador discussion plays out a bit. 16:27:03 See point 5 of the proposal 16:27:25 Yes Sudo 16:27:31 Exactly that is what I am recommending! 16:27:37 MTU 16:27:45 Chamus: Not necessarily. I don't, for instance. Being paid in BCH or XMR helps me stay pseudonymous, anyway. 16:27:53