01:54:05 <rottenstonks> WHM ded, fam.
01:54:26 <rottenstonks> https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1444058777930514438
01:54:42 <rottenstonks> https://twitter.com/EileenOrmsby/status/1444055735873146884
01:54:46 <rottenstonks> rest in pepperinos.
06:50:59 <Inge> how many markets have had such orderly shutdowns?
07:31:12 <carrington[m]> sgp_ @sgp_:monero.social I just got around to reading that "MAGIC Monero Fund" draft. I think it looks very useful and the rules seem fair and well thought out. I have two questions. 
07:31:12 <carrington[m]> 1) I can see two other names/faces alongside yourself as current members of the MAGIC board. Who are these people, and in what ways have they been involved in the Monero community in the past? The guy "John" has a familiar face but I can't remember why.
07:31:12 <carrington[m]> 2) Have you given any thought to the practicalities of the "Monero Voter" idea? How will it be determined who can vote? Will this require some MAGIC-maintained list of who is a valid voter, perhaps with some account login?
07:32:03 <carrington[m]> Posting again for context:
07:32:03 <carrington[m]> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ygcbshhsZ3ZjJoUoZve-hn2VnvbuDvfJueoDTkdrG68
08:13:49 <rottenstonks> carrington[m]: John Murphy is jwinterm[m]. https://jwinterm.com/; Wownero's CEO: https://wownero.org/.
08:14:57 <rottenstonks> Community meeting at 1800 UTC, few hours later. Agenda: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/612
09:51:38 <plowsof[m]> Pat yourself on the back Seth For Privacy, great job for addressing alot of the comments in this thread! https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pzbytc/seraphis_a_promising_nextgen_transaction_protocol/
10:12:19 <plowsof[m]> and now OSPEAD just posted an AMA thread 👀 https://www.reddit.com/r/xmrtrader/comments/pzsd27/developer_of_ospead_here_ama/
13:41:28 <sethsimmons> <plowsof[m]> "Pat yourself on the back Seth..." <- Thanks, love seeing so much engagement there!
14:08:51 <carrington[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/612
14:10:05 <carrington[m]> Reminder that there is a meeting in this room in just under 4 hours for anyone who wants to discuss CCS proposals or other community matters
14:11:09 <Rucknium[m]> carrington: Great. I plan to "attend"
14:11:27 <carrington[m]> It seems the channel topic is severely out of date
14:56:54 <carrington[m]> Monerotopia are live in 5 minutes:
14:56:54 <carrington[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOiBkmel50
15:51:24 <lh1008[m]> Hey everyone, I've got a question. Does anyone know why might an open node (remote node) drop/kill?
15:51:24 <lh1008[m]> Can traffic/bandwidth be a reason? 
16:22:43 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yep, it is definitely possible to drown it in more traffic than it can handle. 
16:22:44 <BusyBoredom[m]> It could have shut down for any number of other reasons too though. Maybe the building it is in lost power, or maybe some physical component of the server has gone bad. It's also possible that an administrator accidentally (or even purposefully) took it down while making changes on the server. 
16:24:07 <BusyBoredom[m]> Do you have more context? Is this a remote node that you are running yourself, or someone else's that you are simply trying to connect to?
16:26:08 <lh1008[m]> BusyBoredom[m]: The Monero Outreach is running a node and since we made the latest update to v0.17.2.3 the node has dropped 5 times. We made the update first days of September. But we don't monitor traffic so we're just trying to find out why would the node kill itself.
16:28:43 <Rucknium[m]> lh1008: On a resource-constrained VPS, I have had townforged, a fork of monerod, kill itself due to running out of RAM. Probably not the problem _you're_ facing, though.
16:28:49 <lh1008[m]> And, it's an open node, remote node.
16:29:39 <lh1008[m]> Rucknium[m]: Thanks for the reply, any reason might be, I'll check that too, thanks :).
16:57:35 <dEBRUYNE> lh1008[m]: Would recommend to add a bug report on Github
17:02:24 <sgp_1> lh1008: can you share the config file or no?
17:02:32 <sgp_1> would help diagnose if so
17:09:10 <sgp_1> > <@carrington:monero.social> sgp_ @sgp_:monero.social I just got around to reading that "MAGIC Monero Fund" draft. I think it looks very useful and the rules seem fair and well thought out. I have two questions.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/54c5a45e06f9d5b7f50ef0630a89a5cb9c61dd59)
17:09:58 <sgp_1> "Will this require some MAGIC-maintained list of who is a valid voter" ultimately yes. The list will contain a name/pseudonym and email for each
17:27:56 <lh1008[m]> <sgp_1> "lh1008: can you share the config..." <- Yes no problem, we have set-log 2 so I'm finding when it was closed to copy that hour. 
17:28:42 <sgp_1> log can help too but I was talking about config (eg: seeing how much traffic you allow)
17:29:11 <lh1008[m]> Sorry I read to fast, thought you asked about the log.
17:36:56 <jwinterm[m]> o/
17:37:01 <lh1008[m]> <sgp_1> "log can help too but I was..." <- Which file exactly?
17:48:25 <lh1008[m]> If you ask for the access log it's off, we don't monitor traffic, that's why of our question. 
18:00:34 <carrington[m]> Keiji are you here?
18:00:47 <Keiji[m]> Yep!
18:01:12 <Keiji[m]> Let's begin the Monero Community Meeting
18:01:30 <selsta> lh1008[m]: how much RAM?
18:01:39 <Keiji[m]> 1. Greetings
18:02:28 <sgp_old> hello
18:03:22 <Rucknium[m]> Present :)
18:03:22 <carrington[m]> Hey
18:03:23 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hey
18:03:50 <gingeropolous> yo
18:03:55 <ajs_[m]> hi
18:04:26 <lh1008[m]> selsta: Total 2040836
18:04:35 <lh1008[m]> Hey everyone
18:04:47 <Keiji[m]> 2. Community Highlights
18:05:17 <Keiji[m]> Are there any pieces of Monero-news from the previous 2 weeks which people would like to discuss?
18:06:28 <Halver[m]> Hi
18:06:32 <Keiji[m]> Ok, we can move to the next thing
18:06:33 <carrington[m]> Monero Observer put out a good summary of events in September
18:06:33 <carrington[m]> https://www.monero.observer/monero-observer-blitz-september-2021/
18:06:54 <sgp_old> yeah I really like monero observer
18:07:32 <carrington[m]> Hopefully it will be consistent and the author can gain enough trust for a second proposal
18:08:02 <carrington[m]> I'll save some other issues for after CCS discussions
18:08:48 <Keiji[m]> I would like to jump to 5. Workgroup Reports. Since Workgroup Reports is pretty quick I think, and we have a lot of CCS updates which are maybe long
18:09:18 <Keiji[m]> Any workgroup members want to take the mic and we can triage if there are multiple at the same time?
18:10:21 <sgp_old> sure, first on the community workgroup itself
18:10:29 <sgp_old> I bridged the MCW YT to Odysee
18:10:34 <lh1008[m]> From the Monero Outreach, we're currently moving all the repository to GitLab.
18:10:55 <carrington[m]> lh1008[m]: Self hosted?
18:11:17 <lh1008[m]> carrington[m]: No, not yet, we're using GitLab's services. 
18:11:47 <ajs_[m]> events... 38C3 cancelled
18:12:09 <bevanoff[m]> lh1008: why switch? Just curious
18:12:53 <sgp_old> monero space... we had a monero meet
18:13:28 <carrington[m]> It is a shame that 38C3 is out. It would be good to have some -event meetings to get a clearer picture of things for 2022
18:14:12 <xmrscott[m]> Next DEF CON at least is guranteed to happen
18:14:39 <xmrscott[m]> Planning would presumably start in April
18:15:02 <lh1008[m]> bevanoff[m]: We're starting clean. We never actually used MO GitHub's repository, only for translations.
18:15:21 <carrington[m]> Shall we move onto the CCS?
18:15:26 <bevanoff[m]> lh1008: oh nice 👍
18:15:36 <Keiji[m]> Yes, good suggestion carrington
18:15:53 <Keiji[m]> Let's move to 4. CCS Updates
18:16:10 <Keiji[m]> First update itme is this: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252
18:16:39 <carrington[m]> It seems valldrac  is here to answer questions
18:17:06 <valldrac[m]> Yes, I'm here. If you have any question 😅
18:17:34 <sgp_old> I see this CCS as only vaguely beneficial to monero to be 100% honest
18:18:20 <sgp_old> worthy initiative
18:18:38 <selsta> it should be considered that this is a project with huge scope, while monero integration on android could be funded through the CCS theoretically the project would need to find funding elsewhere too
18:19:08 <carrington[m]> I think it is a cool idea to integrate XMR natively into a messenger. If I was a donor, I would like a technical specification of how the Monero side of things will work as a milestone
18:19:41 <carrington[m]> Yes it seems the backend described in the proposal would need ongoing funding
18:21:03 <valldrac[m]> carrington[m]: That's the idea. We're now requesting Monero funding for the first stage. More stages will come, but once we bootstrap the project we will look for more funding alternatives
18:21:15 <selsta> and alternatives have large premine / dev tax for funding (signal / session / ...), monero can't compete there realistically
18:21:33 <selsta> it's just something to keep in mind
18:23:00 <valldrac[m]> carrington[m]: It will be a full wallet integrated in the app, using the native C++ library
18:24:42 <carrington[m]> I think it is a good proposal which is at least beneficial to XMR, but I'm not sure it will achieve it's funding goal within a short while
18:25:36 <carrington[m]> No one seems to have any strong objections to the idea? Other than that the scope is very large?
18:25:58 <valldrac[m]> selsta: Agree. I don't think we can compete with them in the mid-term. But Molly will support both backends in the meantime, Signal network and Molly network, so we can benefit of Signal larger user base
18:26:50 <netrik182> Would monero be available even if using the signal network?
18:27:05 * netrik182 is late, sorry
18:27:27 <msvb-lab> Me too.
18:27:47 <valldrac[m]> netrik182: Yes, but with a slightly different UX. Check the proposal
18:28:33 <Keiji[m]> Alright, I think that's about it for questions. Thanks valldrac for being available. Let's move to the next CCS
18:28:44 <ajs_[m]> don't like the idea of possible association of phone numbers to wallet addresses
18:29:06 <carrington[m]> I am curious how the "data at rest" techniques used by Molly compare to other mobile XMR wallets key storage
18:30:31 <carrington[m]> ajs_ my understanding is the separate "Molly network" would not require phone numbers
18:30:46 <sgp_old> that's super far away though fwiw
18:31:38 <valldrac[m]> carrington: A bit long to discuss here. See https://github.com/mollyim/mollyim-android/wiki/Data-Encryption-At-Rest. Also consider we use a RAM wiper that fill with random data the free RAM of the device when the app locks
18:32:30 <carrington[m]> I will leave some comments in the gitlab after the meeting
18:32:36 <Keiji[m]> We have about 30 minutes left and 4 CCS left to discuss so let's move to the Italian Mastering Monero CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/251
18:33:00 <sgp_old> MMe1 is way too old to be translated frankly
18:33:21 <carrington[m]> Yeah I thought there was a second edition in the works
18:33:24 <Keiji[m]> Only comment I have is maybe serhack can comment on 2nd Edition ETA?
18:33:32 <sgp_old> I've been pushing serhack on that ,I really am
18:33:48 <carrington[m]> I think the proposer should contact the author
18:34:34 <carrington[m]> I have left a comment regarding the second edition and I will try and follow up on this
18:34:54 <Keiji[m]> Thanks. Let's move to the next item
18:35:17 <Keiji[m]> We have about 25 minutes left so let's limit discussion to 8 min for each
18:35:48 <Keiji[m]> OSPEAD: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/255
18:36:03 <Rucknium[m]> There have been a ton of questions about OSPEAD. I collect some links to my responses here, and I take questions I suppose:
18:36:07 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/xmrtrader/comments/pzsd27/developer_of_ospead_here_ama/
18:36:13 <mj-xmr[m]> While on CCS', I have sth. to add out of context maybe: I had too little time in September to work on the daily basis (reviews, etc.), so I will ask for the payment not before 15 Oct. or even at the end of October, if my schedule stays so full. I plan to make it up.
18:36:23 <Rucknium[m]> Here's the consensus, as far as I see it:
18:37:08 <carrington[m]> mj-xmr[m]: Best to leave a comment on the gitlab and contact Luigi, seems reasonable
18:37:16 <Rucknium[m]> In general, work on researching an improved the mixin selection algorithm should occur. Most people think I am able to do it. I am willing to do it. The exact form of that research seems to be up for debate
18:38:24 <Rucknium[m]> Any questions here for me?
18:38:32 <carrington[m]> Obviously the CCS proposal is lacking an XMR amount so it can't be moved as is
18:38:56 <luigi1111w> mj-xmr[m] if you fall behind just update when you catch up pretty much
18:39:17 <mj-xmr[m]> Sure. I'll decorate it with my usual report.
18:39:30 <Rucknium[m]> Right. That was deliberate. I mean, it's the XMR equivalent of 100USD/hour * 400 hours
18:39:39 <carrington[m]> I think perhaps the outlook of this proposal would depends on what happens with people reviewing the vulnerability report
18:39:48 <Rucknium[m]> I didn;ty put an XMR amount so it couldnt be merged prematurely
18:40:19 <luigi1111w> that will not happen
18:40:50 <carrington[m]> There should at least be some peer review of the premise (possibly in public) before you start any work IMO
18:40:56 <Rucknium[m]> luigi1111w: Ok. Yeah, in my next (first) revision, I will put an XMR amount, plus many other edits
18:41:36 <Rucknium[m]> carrington: There has been peer review. There is additional peer review ongoing. What type of peer review, specifically, would you like to see?
18:42:00 <selsta> luigi1111w: are you going to review the vrp report and give your feedback?
18:42:01 <Rucknium[m]> carrington: In other words, what do you mean by needs "peer review"
18:42:13 <carrington[m]> I know you are waiting for some peer review so there isn't much to discuss things until others have gotten back to you
18:42:41 <luigi1111w> I'm reading it now, unsure if I'll have useful feedback yet
18:42:49 <Rucknium[m]> carrington: Ok. we can wait on more peer review. But I'm wondering what #community thinks would be satisfactory peer review. So that I can meet that standard
18:43:20 <sgp_old> well, even so I think the CCS can be safely merged
18:43:21 <Rucknium[m]> luigi1111w: Thank you for your review
18:43:39 <Rucknium[m]> Er, well, reading it. Not sure if you are "reviewing" it in a formal sense
18:44:26 <Keiji[m]> While the discussion is lively, to make sure other items can be discussed, let's discuss Seraphis PoC until :52
18:44:26 <carrington[m]> My other comment is that it might be a good idea to contact the Noether's or read old MRL logs to find out how the Moser paper recommendations were implemented
18:44:29 <luigi1111w> certainly not that
18:44:35 <Keiji[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/256
18:45:12 <Keiji[m]> We can move back to the Rucknuim's CCS if there's not much discussion on the other 2 CCS
18:46:07 <Keiji[m]> Any questions people believe that should be voiced on Seraphis GitLab comments?
18:47:06 <carrington[m]> It is critical to get a PoC of Seraphis, so it looks good to me
18:47:15 <carrington[m]> No XMR amount there either yet
18:47:24 <netrik182> +1
18:47:43 <Rucknium[m]> carrington[m]: carrington: Ditto. Strong support from me.
18:48:09 <Keiji[m]> Ok, sounds like no questions or objections. Let's move to the next CCS
18:48:28 <Keiji[m]> Atomic Swap for Monero and Bitcion GUI: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/257
18:49:16 <carrington[m]> There was a similar thing called Swapfe announced on reddit 2 days ago
18:49:48 <carrington[m]> I haven't gone digging into the differences but I will drop a comment on the gitlab so the author can explain any difference
18:50:28 <carrington[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pyxpve/swapfe_an_atomic_swap_user_interface_for_bitcoin/
18:51:24 <Keiji[m]> Any objections or questions people believe should be asked?
18:51:38 <carrington[m]> The proposal was only posted yesterday so we can circle back to this. People on gitlab seem enthusiastic
18:51:39 <BusyBoredom[m]> I like the idea of competing UIs for atomic swaps, seems like there's rough edges to be sorted out and a shotgun approach for now might be a good thing for now. So I'm a fan of this CCS
18:52:46 <netrik182> The one from reddit seems to add a fee on each swap if I'm not mistaken 
18:52:59 <netrik182> But didn't look deep enough yet
18:54:15 <Keiji[m]> Ok, I think we can move back to OSPEAD discussion then
18:55:01 <Keiji[m]> Last question on that was "But I'm wondering what #community thinks would be satisfactory peer review."
18:55:24 <Rucknium[m]> carrington:  "read old MRL logs to find out how the Moser paper recommendations were implemented" Yeah, that makes sense. I will put it on the TODO list
18:56:10 <Rucknium[m]> As far as the Noethers, I personally am not in a good position to contact them. If anyone wants to establish contact between me and the Noethers, go ahead. I'm best to reach via DM here on Matrix
18:56:50 <carrington[m]> Maybe rehrar  could help out here
18:57:16 <carrington[m]> I think he uses Diego Salazar  actually
18:58:12 <Rucknium[m]> "But I'm wondering what #community thinks would be satisfactory peer review."
18:58:12 <Rucknium[m]> ^ Any comments or guidance?
18:58:49 <carrington[m]> I think just a few more voices coming out over the next week will suffice, personally
18:59:24 <carrington[m]> You said in another channel that you are waiting for a few reviews, so I'll wait for those before expressing any further opinion
18:59:36 <Rucknium[m]> carrington: Ok. I think that is pretty much guaranteed to happen. The document is 28 pages long, though, with plenty of math, charts, tables, code. So yeah, it takes time.
19:00:28 <carrington[m]> Shall we agree quickly to a meeting here in two weeks? I would like to discuss another issue of people are sticking around after the hour
19:00:45 <Keiji[m]> We're at the end of the hour so we can formally close. Conversations can of course continue on anything discussed in the meeting slot. Or your item carrington
19:00:51 <Keiji[m]> Yes, let's agree for meeting in two weeks
19:01:52 <carrington[m]> Basically, it seems these meeting are mostly a "CCS meeting" and I think we should reflect on the overall situation with new platforms for XMR funding popping up everywhere
19:02:04 <luigi1111w> Keiji[m] thanks for running
19:02:10 <carrington[m]> There is 
19:02:10 <carrington[m]> bounties.Monero.social
19:02:37 <carrington[m]> This launched recently and is also administered by Core
19:02:48 <msvb-lab> Some like Monerujo have their own funding host as well, funding.monerujo.app.
19:03:36 <carrington[m]> There is also things like Haveno's bounties, and several projects based off plowsof 's wishlist idea
19:03:44 <Rucknium[m]> msvb-lab: That's plowsof  's platform, I believe. Used by monerujo
19:03:57 <msvb-lab> I think you are correct Rucknium[m].
19:04:03 <valldrac[m]> Thanks Keiji for running it. Not easy to do today with such tight schedule
19:04:08 <carrington[m]> also MAGIC grants
19:04:15 <msvb-lab> Good meeting, yes thanks Keiji[m].
19:04:15 <valldrac[m]> I'll be around here for a while if there're remaining questions about the Molly CCS proposal
19:05:32 <carrington[m]> I think at risk of fragmentation of donors attention, there should be wider promotion of all of these platforms together
19:06:00 <carrington[m]> I'm not sure how to achieve that but I'm interested in other's opinions
19:06:30 <plowsof[m]> maybe some kind of central place where they are all listed, e.g. https://plowsof.github.io/monerodevs/
19:08:29 <Keiji[m]> That should work I think
19:10:18 <plowsof[m]> The acronym for Monero MAGIC Fund is NSFW 
19:12:32 <carrington[m]> <plowsof[m]> "maybe some kind of central place..." <- Ultimately something like this will be the solution! Good luck with the project. Do you plan to maintain it or leave that to others going forward?
19:14:46 <plowsof[m]> I want to maintain it yes (but im leaving on sunday so will be online less in the short term)  but after that i can np.. if its a success, the monerodevs ,org domain is purchased for 2 years i think, ill donate that np 
19:15:29 <zogiqa[m]> hello, after having downloaded blockchain via terminal, how can I connect gui wallet to it?
19:15:31 <plowsof[m]> after i get my 0.28 xmr for the bounty !! 😅
19:16:15 <zogiqa[m]> I am at daemon settings, and I can only select a download location. but I dont need it, I already downloaded it
19:16:33 <carrington[m]> Maybe let the bounty build up before completing the work? I guess that is sort of a hostage situation though lol
19:16:38 <selsta> zogiqa[m]: start it from the terminal
19:16:44 <selsta> and select "Local node" on Settings -> Node
19:17:07 <carrington[m]> I'm sure collectively the community would raise more than 0.28 to maintain something like that indefinitely haha
19:17:40 <zogiqa[m]> selsta: you mean I start gui wallet from terminal?
19:18:04 <selsta> do you have the daemon running?
19:18:11 <plowsof[m]> carrington: its made so people can add themselves / projects / edit via pull requests (but lets be realistic here, ill be doing it all manually 😅)
19:18:48 <zogiqa[m]> I have monerod running
19:18:59 <selsta> ok
19:19:12 <selsta> then just select "local node" on Settings -> node
19:20:03 <zogiqa[m]> I dont have this
19:20:06 <zogiqa[m]> I see running at the background or running remote node
19:23:13 <zogiqa[m]> and as I said if I choose the first one, it looks like it will be downloaded from start,
19:23:48 <zogiqa[m]> therefore I cant figure at this step how to link the downloaded chain to the wallet
19:23:53 <selsta> I don't know what you are seeing
19:23:58 <selsta> can you make a screenshot?
19:24:41 <zogiqa[m]> simply put, I dont have "local node" 
19:25:38 <zogiqa[m]> I see "Start a node automatically at the background" and "Bootstrap node"
19:26:40 <zogiqa[m]> and when I enter a blockchain location which is optional, I see that it will download the chain from start
19:27:05 <selsta> Start a node automatically at the background
19:27:06 <selsta> select that
19:29:18 <zogiqa[m]> ok, trying to connect to daemon now. so it will not start from scratch. 
19:30:21 <selsta> if a daemon is already running in the background then no, it won't restart
19:30:41 <ajs_[m]> Midipoet's DJ mix going live on XMR.radio in 5 minutes... some deep house, experimental electronica
19:31:35 <plowsof[m]> midipoet: ❤️
19:31:45 <zogiqa[m]> selsta: thanks a lot, should work now
19:34:20 <rottenstonks> ajs_[m]: w00t. midipoet mixing for monono radio. i am in.
19:36:18 <carrington[m]> Logs posted
19:36:35 <carrington[m]> Will make a new agenda shortly
19:37:30 <rottenstonks> tks carrington[m].
19:39:20 <plowsof[m]> Did anyone notice the cliffhanger at the end of the recent Monerotopia? "Special thanks to CakeWallet for sponsoring" sgp_  "I may have some new news there soon 👈️😉" 🤔
19:39:40 <rottenstonks> wat.
19:43:07 <netrik182> <carrington[m]> "Will make a new agenda shortly" <- Thank you for taking care of it
20:05:36 <sgp_1> plowsof: shhh, fake news. This Justin guy is an untrustworthy fella