00:28:32 <freestatemag[m]> Hey, question, not sure if its appropriate to ask on this forum or not so if not just disregard no ill will meant..but I have been patiently waiting on a good entry price into xmr..wondering if this is a good time?
00:30:31 <xmrscott[m]> Not really the room to ask. If you want to discuss pricing at length suggest asking here: https://matrix.to/#/#monero-markets:monero.social
00:32:47 <freestatemag[m]> Thanks
00:36:09 <fluffypony> https://www.privacytools.io
00:36:39 <fluffypony> has a bunch of Bitcoin wallets, and then (bizarrely) DeFi swap tools 
00:36:46 <fluffypony> no mention of Monero 
00:40:09 <xmrscott[m]> fluffypony: There was a long drawn out discussion on GitHub over CC maybe 4 years ago? Basically we asked they add Monero and one of the maintainers was concerned that people might think less of ZCash based on order, so I suggested just list in alpha desc and note the sorting method
00:40:17 <xmrscott[m]> They opted just to remove the CC section entirely
00:40:21 <fluffypony> lame
00:40:54 <xmrscott[m]> I think the one protesting also once upon a time pushed some privacy scamcoin, I forget which, I'll try to dig up the conversation because hyc was part of it too
00:41:09 <xmrscott[m]> s/one/pt maintainer/
00:42:15 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, found it: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/256
00:43:45 <fluffypony> oh looks like they've pivoted to https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org
00:43:52 <fluffypony> still no cryptocurrency section
00:44:08 <xmrscott[m]> (And also https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/pull/269 )
00:44:08 <nioc> crypto is a ponzi
00:44:49 <entry1[m]> nioc: Tether at $70b, what could go wrong?! 😂
00:50:59 <xmrscott[m]> Yes, there's a lot of issues I guess w/ that new site around CC, namely referring to cryptocurrency as 'Crypto Tools' as if somehow messengers that encrypt messages at rest and in transit aren't crypto utilizing tools
00:51:25 <xmrscott[m]> #CryptoMeansCryptography
00:53:09 <fluffypony> actually you'll find that crypto means cryptozoology
00:53:18 <xmrscott[m]> fluffypony: That repo seems to be only for privacyguides.org, not privacytools.io going by the repo link/description
00:53:39 <fluffypony> xmrscott[m]: yes - privacytools GitHub repo is archived
00:53:42 <xmrscott[m]> s/the repo/org
00:53:50 <fluffypony> and they've moved to PrivacyGuides
00:53:51 <fluffypony> they noted that
00:54:37 <xmrscott[m]> Oh derp, I was looking at github activity as new as fresh as 12 days, man, that's a whole mess of .... things
00:54:43 <fluffypony> yeah
00:56:08 <xmrscott[m]> Why not just have privacytools.io redirect to privacyguides.org sigh
00:59:45 <xmrscott[m]> Eh, whatever, I can open up a suggestion for Monero despite privacytools.io being 'archived' I guess if no one else wants to. Crazy that they point towards people using Bitcoin in this day and age despite US Dept of Treasury reports of tracking laundering, etc
01:02:52 <fluffypony> yeah it's odd
12:24:42 <sethsimmons> <xmrscott[m]> "Why not just have privacytools...." <- They split up after some drama, and are now two distinct things
12:25:24 <sethsimmons> The community forked off to privacyguides, and the founder came back after a 1y+ disappearance to reclaim .io and start that up again
12:25:36 <sethsimmons> It's a messy thing, but know that they're distinct now
12:50:50 <fluffypony> sethsimmons: he's going to have to un-archive the repo, I guess
12:50:56 <fluffypony> or just not have it open-source
13:47:16 <sudo_ki[m]> https://twitter.com/MichaelPasture/status/1450573685513928707
13:47:16 <sudo_ki[m]> Anyone have any ideas why this person thinks supply and block size ought to be limited?
13:49:02 <sudo_ki[m]> To be honest, I can't believe folk like this live in the real world
13:56:23 <atomfried[m]> the tail emision was a thing which i did not like at first, too.
13:56:23 <atomfried[m]> For me what realy made it klick, was the thought that in an growing economy the number of products which can be bought increases and because of that the tail emision will not even be noticed
13:56:58 <atomfried[m]> sorry i have problems formulating this property in english... it is not my native language
14:01:09 <nioc> AIUI the other thing the tail emission does is allow the dynamic blocksize to work 
14:04:06 <sudo_ki[m]> When I think of bitcoin as anything other than digital cash, it becomes worthless and as digital cash, it doesn't really tick the boxes. My point being, as I cannot empathise with this person and I hoping someone here can and can enlighten me
14:09:47 <ComplyLast> it's NgU technology
14:09:52 <ComplyLast> you wouldn't understand sudo_ki[m] 
14:09:55 <ComplyLast> few understand.
14:12:51 <carrington[m]> Sometimes when people say "Nothing I am going to say is going to make you understand", it is because they themselves don't understand
14:14:35 <fluffypony> sudo_ki[m]: a limited supply is necessary for a cryptocurrency to be successful because it powers NgU, as ComplyLast explained, and without NgU nobody will use it
14:14:46 <fluffypony> which is why nobody uses the US Dollar today
14:15:26 <fluffypony> also you need a limited block size so that you can run a node on a 10 year old Raspberry Pi, instead of a 5 year old laptop
14:16:14 <crypto_grampy[m]> Is there anything on the monero roadmap for NgU tech being added?  Is there something that could be gleaned from the BTC codebase???
14:16:45 <ComplyLast> there are several ideas being discussed crypto_grampy[m] 
14:17:07 <fluffypony> if Monero is removed from more exchanges then it will be harder to get, which makes it scarce, which in turn leads to NgU
14:17:09 <crypto_grampy[m]> On a more serious note, are there any good i2p tutorials out there?
14:18:20 <ComplyLast> i2p tutorials for what?
14:19:05 <sudo_ki[m]> <ComplyLast> "you wouldn't understand sudo_ki..." <- Ah, so I'm stupid, rather than ignorant? 
14:19:15 <sudo_ki[m]> * Ah, so I'm stupid, rather than ignorant?  ;)
14:19:25 <ComplyLast> I wouldn't say that
14:19:34 <ComplyLast> I'm just saying that few understand.
14:20:27 <sudo_ki[m]> I'll take a look at this NgU business, thank you :)
14:20:41 <ComplyLast> you're welcome
14:21:01 <ComplyLast> as our prophet puts it: price is how we win.
14:21:55 <sudo_ki[m]> Mind spelling out the acronym?
14:22:05 <fluffypony> enn gee you
14:22:34 <fluffypony> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NgU
14:22:52 <fluffypony> https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/bitcoin-price-number-go-up
14:23:05 <sudo_ki[m]> O dear, I had no idea
14:23:19 <ComplyLast> yes, it was added on a recent soft-fork
14:23:23 <ComplyLast> some people missed it
14:23:42 <ComplyLast> they're debating between doing sigagg and implementing NgU v1
14:23:59 <ComplyLast> NgU v1 won, but it didn't get a lot of publicity
14:28:42 <DaveyJones> also we need some guy named Adam Forward as CEO of BlockFlow to implement NgU v2
14:29:16 <ComplyLast> that was being discussed yesterday on #monero-research-lab
14:29:43 <ComplyLast> NgU v2 will be deployed on Monero before any other chain
17:01:52 <midnightmage[m]> Can’t believe people are still so hyped over surveillance coins
17:02:06 <atomfried[m]> they always will, until they arent anymore
17:02:26 <midnightmage[m]> Got to get the Monero before they wake up
17:13:46 <mechanic41turk[m> <DaveyJones> "also we need some guy named Adam..." <- Don't forget getting the seed money from rothschild controlled banks
19:25:49 <xmrscott[m]> <sethsimmons> "The community forked off to..." <- Thanks for the context. Still pretty funny that the .io dev can't be bothered to update the org description to *not* point to privacyguide