15:57:09 <Keiji[m]> Just realized we haven't had Community Workgroup meeting in like 4 weeks. Should I create one for this weekend or next?
15:59:39 <phillip[m]> Coming from someone who has never been in a workgroup yet but is really looking forward to joining one, this weekend is hard for me with Halloween plans. So, with the little weight behing my voice, I vote for next weekend
15:59:54 <phillip[m]> s/behing/behind/
16:50:41 <carrington[m]> I created/moderated a few community/dev meetings but unfortunately I've had some very busy weekends recently, including this coming weekend. Am I wrong in thinking that people are generally more available mon-thur for these sorts of things? I guess different timezones and working patterns throw a spanner in the works on those days
16:52:46 <carrington[m]> If the meetings in this channel are mostly being used for CCS discussion, it might be better to that in a more ad-hoc way by posting discussion threads on reddit or forum.Monero.space, or even just starting a convo about a specific proposal in this channel at any time
16:56:47 <carrington[m]> For example, does anyone have strong opinions about the "Monero Community Anthem" and "Italian Mastering Monero" proposals? 
16:56:47 <carrington[m]> I think Ruck's proposal is awaiting a document release and the dev proposal by mj is likely uncontroversial 
16:57:20 <carrington[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/251
16:57:37 <carrington[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/259
17:08:03 <nioc> all I can say about a monero anthem is.............. lolololololol
17:09:41 <nioc> also no reason to translate an out of date book  
17:09:44 <nioc> a new version of Mastering Monero has been coming out soon™ for I believe over a year
17:37:44 <selsta> for everyone using protonmail
17:37:48 <selsta> https://twitter.com/brokep/status/1453765410122354698
17:59:22 <Rucknium[m]> Goddamnit, ProtonMail. It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them!
18:00:35 <sethsimmons> <selsta> "https://twitter.com/brokep/..." <- Not sure I get whats going on here, I asked for more details.
18:03:29 <Rucknium[m]> I think ProtonMail saw someone write something libelous about ProtonMail on a blog hosted by Njalla. Then a ProtonMail lawyer sent Njalla a letter saying "give us info about this person", presumably so ProtonMail could issue a cease-and-desist letter to the blogger or something. Or even sue the blogger.
18:03:45 <phillip[m]> I thought the same thing. We only see a part of half of the conversation
18:04:37 <Rucknium[m]> Of course the biggest threat to ProtonMail's reputation comes not from a small-time blogger, but from ProtonMail's own actions.
18:34:21 <carrington[m]> The tweeter seems to say njalla were not even hosting the block, just registering the domain. Or am I misunderstanding that? Makes the situation even dumber if so
18:34:35 <carrington[m]> Block -> blog
19:18:53 <xmrscott[m]> <carrington[m]> "The tweeter seems to say..." <- Njalla is basically a proxy for purchasing domains so they would have the PII, if any, not the domain
19:19:14 <xmrscott[m]> So PM is 'right' to go after Njalla
19:20:50 <xmrscott[m]> If PM's main goal was to remove the DNS record tho they should actually be going after the registrar for whatever
19:21:13 <xmrscott[m]> * registrar for 'libel' or whatever
19:22:20 <xmrscott[m]> * Njalla is basically a proxy for purchasing domains so they would have the PII, if any, not the domain registrar
19:23:31 <xmrscott[m]> IANAL tho, so maybe it's easy to go after individuals than servicers for C&D's
19:25:36 <Rucknium[m]> I really like Kolmisoppi's point about a few privacy services having too much of a monopoly. Assuming everything that Kolmisoppi said is true, ProtonMail feels like it can pull this kind of move because any unsatisfied customers don't have a lot of choices.
19:27:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I use Njalla, they just require an email address and Bitcoin/Monero payment for domains and VPS – no (fake) name/address, no credit card or Paypal, no government ID KYC. At most, Njalla could know your IP address, which is useless if you use Tor.
19:27:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Plus free markets require free speech, i.e. if you don't like a business, you are free to criticize it.
19:28:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > If PM's main goal was to remove the DNS record
19:28:04 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Sounds like monopolistic censorship against a decentralized and freely accessible network...
19:40:33 <Rucknium[m]> Njalla also offers VPSs, so it might not be a DNS issue. The blog server itself could be hosted by Njalla.
19:41:47 <netrik182> Either way Njalla would only have an email and IP address of the blogger 
19:42:03 <netrik182> Pointless if using disposable mail and Tor
19:46:47 <Rucknium[m]> Seth For Privacy asked and apparently it _is_ about domain registration, not server hosting
19:46:48 <Rucknium[m]> https://nitter.net/brokep/status/1453784160556957712
19:46:57 <Rucknium[m]> >Proton sent a message asking njalla to take down a blog post and give out all personal details of the registrant of the domain. worth noting that the site is not hosted with njalla.
19:46:57 <Rucknium[m]> >The site contains critique against proton, some valid, some not.