00:07:35 <IanNiculescu[m]> Hello everyone ?
00:10:32 <IanNiculescu[m]> Do you think the price of monero going up in the future and fees doing the same will be a problem and how to solve it ?
00:15:38 <assratatouille> depends how full the blocks are by then
00:16:13 <assratatouille> so depends how much price action we're talking of
00:17:13 <assratatouille> but assuming we're past the threshold for adaptive block size, fees per transaction will be lower as more transactions fit in a block 
00:17:13 <IanNiculescu[m]> i meen if a block reward stays 1 monero but a lot more people are paying fees that should drive fee prices down
00:17:47 <IanNiculescu[m]> that makes sense thank you bro
00:18:01 <assratatouille> thats how i understood it at least
00:18:16 <assratatouille> im still not quite sure thats exactly how it works
00:18:50 <IanNiculescu[m]> https://txstreet.com/v/xmr
00:19:41 <IanNiculescu[m]> i look there to visualize the amout of transactions that are happening compared to btc or eth
03:02:51 <crypto_grampy[m]> ticket filed sgp_ 😄 https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/195
03:37:54 <entry1[m]> Dumb question. Since 14 word seeds can't be converted into 25 word seeds due to KDF on the Feather docs, does this mean that there are theoretically less Monero wallets created using the 14 word seed derivation?
03:44:24 <entry1[m]> s/14/25/, s/25/14/
03:52:24 <crypto_grampy[m]> <entry1[m]> "Dumb question. Since 14 word..." <- Relevant discussion on the topic: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6639
03:52:58 <crypto_grampy[m]> From my understanding... i think they both create wallets of similar level of entropy/security 
03:53:11 <crypto_grampy[m]> But I'm a smooth brained old man
04:18:28 <entry1[m]> Thanks for the link, I'll look into it as its been a while since I read that proposal. Long thread
05:58:04 <crypto_grampy[m]> Not sure if anyone is interested in having printable Monero QR code gift cards , but I just filed a feature request with Cake Wallet to help make it happen (on the redeeming side):  https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/196  . Poke vik (Cake)  if this is something you want.  
08:43:32 <Chamus> Really cool idea/request, grampy!
08:45:07 <Chamus> Tools to facilitate adoption/ onboard normies are more than needed *clap emoji* 
08:46:18 <Chamus> This can be a great way to market cake too
08:46:19 <Chamus> win-win
10:50:39 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > Not sure if anyone is interested in having printable Monero QR code gift cards
10:50:39 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Rektflip made a similar script, if this helps: https://github.com/rektflip/claimxmr (People deposit Monero to the website, then generate a gift card URL, and the recipient can redeem it to their wallet.)
11:25:25 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I wonder if it would be possible to:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/18bbe150eafcc0f4d4c73e5ca6b9f35f6d14c01e)
14:07:21 <crypto_grampy[m]> I don't have too much of a problem with the gift card giver knowing the seed... it's the same with a regular gift card.  The person buying it could certainly decide to spend it if they wanted and they could also replace that scratch off stuff with nail polish or something... and that probably does happen 😂 
14:08:53 <crypto_grampy[m]> i was thinking it would be cool if the card was printable, and had a little dashed line with a deposit qr code on one side, and a redeem qr with seed words/simple instructions on the other side.  You print out, make your deposit(s) and tear off the deposit qr, and just give someone the simple card with qr/seed and simple instructions
14:09:47 <crypto_grampy[m]> > <@anarkiocrypto:halogen.city> I wonder if it would be possible to:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ba7b5d35f0437c45dfa988c3f221aff12b0af7dc)
14:10:53 <crypto_grampy[m]> how do you get them from a piece of paper to safely transferring those funds to their own wallet they've created
14:12:15 <crypto_grampy[m]> they're certainly not going to clone a repo and use some random software 
14:12:29 <sethsimmons> For anyone who is willing and able to implement this into Monero, I will give a 5XMR bounty for it's inclusion into the codebase via an accepted PR: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/73
14:12:29 <sethsimmons> This is the best way to get over a key UX hurdle in Monero, and seems to have no drawbacks other than the implementation work necessary.
14:17:03 <sethsimmons> > <@sethsimmons:monero.social> For anyone who is willing and able to implement this into Monero, I will give a 5XMR bounty for it's inclusion into the codebase via an accepted PR: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/73... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a16b30cc25cdc1f8ed48039ef2acc8257948c751)
14:20:12 <crypto_grampy[m]> > <@sethsimmons:monero.social> For anyone who is willing and able to implement this into Monero, I will give a 5XMR bounty for it's inclusion into the codebase via an accepted PR: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/73
14:20:12 <crypto_grampy[m]> > 
14:20:12 <crypto_grampy[m]> > This is the best way to get over a key UX hurdle in Monero, and seems to have no drawbacks other than the implementation work necessary.
14:20:12 <crypto_grampy[m]> 🚀🚀🚀
14:33:43 <carrington[m]> "Recently it has come to light that ..." meanwhile Koe posted it to Github nearly 2 years ago 😂
14:33:43 <carrington[m]> I'll be sure to donate later, after I wait for cake to sync 😉
14:37:05 <crypto_grampy[m]> > <@carrington:monero.social> "Recently it has come to light that ..." meanwhile Koe posted it to Github nearly 2 years ago 😂
14:37:06 <crypto_grampy[m]> > 
14:37:06 <crypto_grampy[m]> > I'll be sure to donate later, after I wait for cake to sync 😉
14:37:06 <crypto_grampy[m]> When Monero historian work group with goal of dredging up ancient, yet cool issues/ideas 😂
14:39:22 <carrington[m]> There be gold in them thar github issues!
16:57:23 <TimeWalker[m]> Nice, thanks for bringing that issue up. I was just talking with my SO a few days where he complained about how it takes long to sync on mobile (iOS) which is a fair criticism
17:04:46 <just_looking_0xb> Hello, I am a new comer to the world of monero, and I have been reading around the various implementation details but I have to admit I am still a little confused about what makes randomX asic resistant on a fundamental level. Would someone be kind enough to help me understand ? Thank you 
17:07:49 <aberdeenik[m]> Hi, how can we promote monero mining among government university students as they usually have free cpu and electricity access?
17:09:40 <aberdeenik[m]> However these students have no motivation to do mining as they may not appreciate their contributions towards a decentralized pool
17:09:42 <SerHack> I'm not sure if students can exploit free cpu and electricity access to mine Monero
17:10:21 <SerHack> E. g. in my university, it's severely forbidden, and if you get caught your student career ends there.
17:12:45 <sethsimmons> <just_looking_0xb> "Hello, I am a new comer to the..." <- https://localmonero.co/knowledge/monero-mining-randomx?language=en and https://www.monerooutreach.org/stories/RandomX.html are great intros
17:12:58 <sethsimmons> If you have more technical questions try digging through the code or ask in #monero-pow:monero.social 
17:13:00 <IanNiculescu[m]> aberdeenik: lol literally going to uni on monday i'm definitely mine and promote it Lets goooo
17:13:11 <aberdeenik[m]> So what strategy can be used to motivate and publicise among govt institutions to do this across all countries as mostly govt resources are wasted.
17:14:07 <IanNiculescu[m]> maybe doing a video and posting it on youtube
17:14:11 <aberdeenik[m]> I remember when I was in uni , most of lab computers remained idle
17:14:55 <IanNiculescu[m]> like i was thinking coming direclty with an amd ryzen 9 3090X unit 
17:15:05 <aberdeenik[m]> Plus every hostel room has a computer with free elecrricity
17:15:27 <IanNiculescu[m]> bro you are so rigth
17:15:47 <aberdeenik[m]> The more people mine the better
17:17:25 <crypto_grampy[m]> <just_looking_0xb> "Hello, I am a new comer to the..." <- Highly recommend giving this podcast episode a listen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-4-0-randomx-moneros-decentralized-mining-algorithm/id1553197400?i=1000515890356
17:27:12 <just_looking_0xb> <sethsimmons> "https://localmonero.co/knowledge..." <- Thanks Seth For Privacy and crypto_grampy for the links, I have finished reading the article on localmonero and had previously already read the monerooutreach article + listened to the randomX podcase, thus explaining why I am back this soon.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/30a7cebb9e9a9128279a2574ef45bda7f6cea421)
17:31:15 <just_looking_0xb> I am sorry guys, I am new to this 😅. Thanks for taking the time.
17:31:30 <crypto_grampy[m]> > <@just_looking_0xbeef:matrix.org> Thanks Seth For Privacy and crypto_grampy for the links, I have finished reading the article on localmonero and had previously already read the monerooutreach article + listened to the randomX podcase, thus explaining why I am back this soon.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/924ba5c003d7001e798137f3eb1f57e507fa472e)
17:32:36 <Rucknium[m]> Isn't it the case that Intel et al. are constantly building optimized CPUs?
17:32:39 <just_looking_0xb> CPU designer that are payed like shit ?
17:32:47 <crypto_grampy[m]> Rucknium[m]: yes
17:33:36 <crypto_grampy[m]> Monero driving R+D and improvement of standard CPU's is a great thing
17:34:36 <crypto_grampy[m]> Certainly better than driving improvement of ASIC space heaters that have no other value in the world
17:35:06 <just_looking_0xb> That makes sense, thanks again crypto_grampy , but do you guys not think monero is getting interesting enoght to motivate such investement ?
17:36:06 <aberdeenik[m]> When will randomx be deprecated to another algorithm?
17:36:37 <crypto_grampy[m]> I think Howard discussed that it was likely that the randomX algo would likely need to be updated in the future (could be wrong on that) on a regular basis.  If Monero gets that popular, there will be a massive amount of brain power to help work on this.  So long as the community intent is to be ASIC resistant, i don't see any problems
17:37:47 <just_looking_0xb> Perfectly makes sense, and now to prolong this to a tangent domain, what about fpga resistant ? 
17:39:57 <aberdeenik[m]> just_looking_0xb: Since random algorithms are generated to run its fpga resistant as well.
17:40:05 <crypto_grampy[m]> just_looking_0xb: I'd ask this in https://matrix.to/#/#monero-research-lab:matrix.org
17:40:16 <crypto_grampy[m]> maybe?
17:40:27 <crypto_grampy[m]> or maybe here: https://matrix.to/#/#monero-research-lounge:monero.social
17:40:40 <just_looking_0xb> Would that be okay, I am nobody, am I allowed to bother there ?
17:40:59 <crypto_grampy[m]> Yeah post in teh research lounge.  There are more ripples on brains in there
17:42:03 <just_looking_0xb> Don't denigrate yourself like that, you have my respect at least. Anyway I will go ask over there, thank a lot for the discussion here guys. 
17:42:45 <just_looking_0xb> ( after food )
17:46:15 <aberdeenik[m]> <IanNiculescu[m]> "bro you are so rigth" <- So any one here has any plan on how to promote xmr mining on govt computers?
17:47:44 <Rucknium[m]> In some places that is considered theft because you are using electricity that doesn't belong to you for private gain.
17:48:33 <crypto_grampy[m]> Rucknium[m]: sir, these xmr moneys go straight back to the department.  they keep cutting the budget every year
17:50:16 <aberdeenik[m]> Rucknium[m]: Then we can also ask them to dedicate it to the department welfare.
17:51:30 <aberdeenik[m]> Maybe canceling out the govt tax theft.
18:26:19 <carrington[m]> You could indeed build a CPU optimized for RandomX, but it would likely only achieve x2-5 efficiency improvements. That is much lower than the difference between CPUs and BTC ASICs 
18:26:37 <carrington[m]> Probably not worth the investment, as CPUs constantly progress anyways
18:33:37 <aberdeenik[m]> How can monero completely replace cash, what property it should be given such that it becomes a full substitute for cash. One area is the fluctuations  in price need to be stabilized. Can't it be tethered to say gold reserves?
18:48:56 <entry1[m]> <aberdeenik[m]> "How can monero completely..." <- Fungible, private, predictable constant supply, and decentralized.
18:49:29 <entry1[m]> Gold reserves aren't a good measure for anything currency related for over 50 years
18:49:48 <entry1[m]> Gold shouldn't be a measurement either
19:03:50 <tobtoht> Feather Wallet 1.0.0 is out! https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qijv7q/feather_wallet_100_released/
19:04:00 <fluffypony> nice
19:25:30 <sethsimmons> <tobtoht> "Feather Wallet 1.0.0 is out..." <- Sadly away from comps so can't jump in and use it, but thank you so much for all the hard work on this release, still by far my favorite desktop wallet, so amazing.
19:30:31 <entry1[m]> Can't believe how small the Feather app image is on Linux for the beta. Runs so smooth and quick.
19:46:06 <crypto_grampy[m]> <tobtoht> "Feather Wallet 1.0.0 is out..." <- Is there any place to file feature requests?  Would love a textfield for adding a mining config 😄
19:49:22 <tobtoht> thanks all :)
19:49:29 <tobtoht> crypto_grampy[m]: Request noted. Any of the channels listed here is ok for any future feature requests: https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/report-an-issue
19:51:17 <crypto_grampy[m]> tobtoht: The documentation update is *fantastic* btw
19:52:07 <tobtoht> thanks!
19:58:51 <dartian[m]> <tobtoht> "crypto_grampy: Request noted..." <- there is also a "proposal" label available in the issues section of https://git.featherwallet.org
19:58:51 <dartian[m]> perhaps that is a place to propose changes such as feature additions? 
19:59:03 <dartian[m]> * there is also a "proposal" label available in the issues section of https://git.featherwallet.org
19:59:03 <dartian[m]> perhaps that is a place to propose changes such as feature additions? 
19:59:40 <dartian[m]> * there is also a "proposal" label available in the issues section of https://git.featherwallet.org/feather/feather
19:59:40 <dartian[m]> perhaps that is a place to propose changes such as feature additions? 
21:25:20 <Inge> Fluorine Fang (a star in the triple-star system. Easily seen by the naked eye, 590 LY away - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fang_(star)
21:26:29 <nioc> fluorine fluffypony 
21:26:37 <fluffypony> LOL
21:27:04 <nioc> I will buy a star in your name to make it official 
21:27:10 <fluffypony> perfect
21:27:21 <nioc> only about $20
21:28:04 <nioc> you get to choose the constellation that it is in
21:28:14 <nioc> I was thinking of Taurus 
21:29:35 <fluffypony> ah yes like the Ford model
21:29:42 <Inge> Fluorine Fornax - Latin for furnace - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornax
21:29:55 <nioc> no no
21:30:00 <nioc> like the bull
21:30:08 <fluffypony> :-P
21:30:14 <nioc> monero bull \o/
21:32:29 <Inge> Fluoribe Fireworks - NGC 6946, sometimes referred to as the Fireworks Galaxy, is a face-on intermediate spiral galaxy with a small bright nucleus - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_6946
21:32:40 <Inge> Fluorine*  damn cold.
21:37:14 <Inge> If you want obscure and gaont 
21:38:39 <nioc> gaont
21:38:46 <Inge> faint* - try Fluorine Fenrir - a natural satellite of Saturn. one of the faintest known moons in the Solar System
21:41:58 <Inge> Or in honour of Articmine - Fluorine Francisco: the innermost irregular satellite of Uranus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_(moon)
21:49:19 <crypto_grampy[m]> Random question- does anyone have a copy of this monero sub-ledgers document that used to get passed around on 4chan earlier this year?  https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdbNm6GCRP23tBDbs9JXQst65RWUZH1383zYcmkThAJLo/Scaling%20Monero.%20Sub-Ledgers.signed
21:49:35 <crypto_grampy[m]> Asking for a friend 
21:54:19 <crypto_grampy[m]> Ah archive saved it(!) https://web.archive.org/web/20210114091800/https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdbNm6GCRP23tBDbs9JXQst65RWUZH1383zYcmkThAJLo/Scaling%20Monero.%20Sub-Ledgers.signed
21:54:45 <crypto_grampy[m]> is this... monero fantasy writing?
21:55:38 <Rucknium[m]> crypto_grampy[m]: No, that's Townforge ;)