09:26:16 <Keiji[m]> So I said last week that I could moderate a -community meeting this week, but I forgot I have performance and afterparty that night. orz
09:26:56 <Keiji[m]> I can still create issue if someone else can moderate. If no one wants to moderate I can do week after I think.
12:03:08 <carrington[m]> Thanks Keiji  I'm happy to post an agenda, publicize and moderate for a meeting this week. Sunday 1700 UTC OK? I'll sort it out in a few hours
16:28:23 <crypto_grampy[m]> <carrington[m]> "Thanks Keiji  I'm happy to..." <- carrington: I think documentation should be a topic of discussion at the next meeting.  Would be great to have ErCiccione present to speak, but there's definitely a need to get more people involved in making not only documentation updates and getting through the github issue list, but creating *better* documentation- specifically good full-featured beginner guides that go
16:28:23 <crypto_grampy[m]> beyond topic-specific guides.    
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16:31:30 <crypto_grampy[m]> I think a documention-focused workgroup, some serious outreach to get more volunteers, and perhaps a documentation champion would be great things :-) 
16:35:30 <Rucknium[m]> crypto_grampy: 100% . We have people dropping into #monero-dev:monero.social  pretty frequently who would like to get involved, and for now the answer they get is "read the GitHub issues". To improve decentralization, we need more devs working on the Monero protocol itself as well as in the broader Monero ecosystem.
16:37:58 <crypto_grampy[m]> Here's what I consider a quintessential example of the problem and person that is not being served by the current getmonero documentation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qc69y7/general_question/
16:39:47 <crypto_grampy[m]> 'Here's a 200 page book written 3 years ago' 
16:41:16 <crypto_grampy[m]> Nothing wrong with Mastering Monero, but we should have a web guide on getmonero that is up to date, and provides excellent info
16:42:27 <crypto_grampy[m]> * Mastering Monero/the FAQ, but
16:43:09 <ieatglueforbreak> crypto_grampy[m]: I dont see the problem
16:47:44 <carrington[m]> I agree that this is an important topic. A dedicated workgroup and other coordination is probably the solution. Hopefully we can identify the pain points and a way forward at the meeting if we get good attendance.
16:51:30 <crypto_grampy[m]> I think the questions that pop up in the reddit 'ask anything' threads are a good place to identify problems.  I've had private discussions with many about a lack of a basic walkthrough/intro.  sending someone to the faq or monero.how is not a good solution for that
16:52:04 <Rucknium[m]> We should work with escapethe3ra  and their guide:
16:52:05 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.monero.observer/ultimate-guide-new-monero-contributors
16:53:17 <crypto_grampy[m]> I think 'How can I contribute' is a good topic within a more comprehensive beginner guide.  it's a common question
16:53:36 <crypto_grampy[m]> * common question.  And escapethe3ra's guide is excellent
17:05:49 <ErCiccione> <crypto_grampy[m]> "carrington: I think documentatio..." <- I will be very happy to be there and even more happy that the problem documentation is being pushed by somebody else :)
17:06:51 <ErCiccione> Yesterday that Tor has a workgroup dedicated to the User experience and aims to improve it. I think a workgroup with the same goal would be extremely beneficial to Monero.
17:07:18 <ErCiccione> A workgroup dedicated to making Monero user friendly could go a long way
17:07:26 <ErCiccione> monero-ux :)
17:08:17 <crypto_grampy[m]> i like that idea.  it also sounds way more exciting than a monero-documentation-workgroup
17:08:36 <ErCiccione> yeah, nobody wants to work on documentation, but if it's part of a bigger effort maybe...
17:09:15 <crypto_grampy[m]> i'd say instructions is definitely part of UX
17:09:25 <crypto_grampy[m]> * say instructions/documentation is
17:09:40 <crypto_grampy[m]> or could be :D
17:11:10 <ErCiccione> yeah totally. I created #monero-ux:haveno.network on matrix in the meantime
17:28:12 <ErCiccione> Room configured and already relayed on libera. I'll be happy to contribute and help out, but i cannot really dedicate time to leading it. crypto_grampy? Are you willing to kickstart things? :)
17:28:59 <crypto_grampy[m]> ErCiccione: I can definitely give it a whirl 😁
17:30:06 <crypto_grampy[m]> As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you seem them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, i think that would be excellent
17:30:20 <crypto_grampy[m]> s/As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you seem them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, i think that would be excellent/As stated before, if you can be present on Sunday, and describe the issues as you see them with regard to documentation/updates/ux and what the need is for volunteers, and what you would LIKE to see done in the future, i think
17:30:20 <crypto_grampy[m]> that would be excellent/
17:30:48 <ErCiccione> Sure, i will be there.
18:01:39 <msvb-web> Is our meeting on Sunday this time? It is most often on Saturday.
18:02:58 <msvb-web> If possible (and if it is already scheduled) let's ask ArticMine to please update the chatroom topic?
18:03:44 <msvb-web> Or binaryFate.
18:13:31 <ArticMine> Is there a GitHub issue for the next meeting?
18:20:56 <msvb-web> I'm scrolling around and not finding the GitHub report ArticMine, but for some reason it seems the day (Sunday) and time (17:00) has been chosen?
18:49:35 <bridgerton[m]> <sgp> kanban boards are a big help. maybe try one for the website workgroup?
18:50:00 <bridgerton[m]> <sgp> github projects works quite well and helps visualize/sort issues
19:05:03 <carrington[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/625
19:06:11 <crypto_grampy[m]> CakeWallet's looking for help with their Wownero integration, FYI (for anyone interested/capable 😄 ) https://twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1455967312578813958?s=20
19:07:41 <carrington[m]> I'll add more links and try to post it widely in the relevant places over the next 24 hours
21:04:31 <SerHack> Are you a web developer/writer? Do you know anything about Monero but unfortunately you have difficulties with C++? Contribute to getmonero.dev and start writing documentation for new developers: https://github.com/serhack/getmonero.dev
21:21:38 <carrington[m]> I have added both the getmonero.org open issues and this new getmonero.dev repo to the agenda for the meeting
21:33:44 <crypto_grampy[m]> <SerHack> "Are you a web developer/writer..." <- I was playing around with something like this a while back: 
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21:34:30 <crypto_grampy[m]> having some kind of json or yaml project protocol people can use to upload projects they need help on
21:34:33 <crypto_grampy[m]> and having it searchable
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21:35:23 <crypto_grampy[m]> something kinda like that
21:40:18 <crypto_grampy[m]> Might be useful to have something like this in addition to monero guides.. .just a place where people can find monero related projects to help with
21:40:36 <SerHack> Nice concept