06:26:20 <tcsnyyzo[m]> Just tossing an idea out into the ether here- people who need hardware wallets want security, and they probably also want privacy especially if they are XMR types. Presently, many prospective customers for such devices may find purchase direct from an official source a risk to their privacy.
06:26:20 <tcsnyyzo[m]> Is it feasible to retail hardware wallets w/o KYC, so customers are not listed in some corporate/government database? Does this (retail) already happen? Do you think this adds much more risk of tampering or demands more anti-tamper proofs? (though one would hope a hardware wallet worth its salt would be rather tamper-evident already)
06:38:43 <spirobel[m]> hey just double checking. If someone wants to add a donation address to their website, what is the easiest way to do so? what do we recommend them to do? Just install cake wallet and post the address?
06:51:02 <plowsof[m]> The 'keep it simple' method is exactly that, you could also add a qr code with the uri 'monero:youraddress'  an example would be here https://blog.sethforprivacy.com/about/#donations
06:54:43 <plowsof[m]> If you want to go a step further and add goals / make it interactive there is my WaaS , which currently isnt 'noob' friendly (but that will change as ive received funding from the BCH community to develop it further and make it as user friendly as possible https://github.com/plowsof/xmr-wishlist-aaS
08:11:39 <dEBRUYNE> ErCiccione: I'd strongly recommend to, going forward, think thoroughly about potential implications heavily politically laden threads can have
08:12:05 <dEBRUYNE> This matter could have resolved privately with a little more patience. Instead, we got lots of drama within the community, effectively causing a divide
08:12:10 <dEBRUYNE> Which is detrimental to Monero as a whole
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08:23:35 <libre[m]> I propose that we also cancel ErCiccione. If he can’t give others the benefit of the doubt why should we give him the benefit of the doubt after hosting anti-semitic content in his twitter account?
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08:30:27 <libre[m]> Censorship and cancellation is toxic to the community. It shouldn’t be tolerated. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
08:33:27 <midipoet> fuck me, these firms are getting a lot of backing
08:33:28 <midipoet> https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/123432/crypto-market-surveillance-firm-solidus-labs-raises-15-million
09:14:09 <ErCiccione> dEBRUYNE: That's absolutely bullshit and i'm surprised you are falling for it. Please read my posts again and you'll realise that i did contact Tuman first and the public post only happened after the guest was confirmed one week later after i posted my concerns and haven't gotten any answer. If you are falling for the "you could have waited more time" bullshit i'm sorry for you, but don't put it on me. This message of yours is incredibly
09:14:10 <ErCiccione> disappointing.
09:15:35 <ErCiccione> "think thoroughly about potential implications heavily politically laden threads" <- this is a fucking shame. Surprised to read something so absurd from you.
09:16:22 <louipcm> <libre[m]> "I propose that we also cancel..." <- knock knock
09:16:45 <ErCiccione> Well. I'm not going to be harassed here.
09:20:31 <bridgerton[m]> <sech1> Well, I hate racism but I also hate cancel culture so I'm kind of divided here 😄
09:23:00 <louipcm> cancel culture is good. leads to more diversification of all systems
09:24:50 <bridgerton[m]> <sech1> cancel culture is bad. leads to less diversification of all systems
09:24:52 <libre[m]> bridgerton[m]: Very easy. You don’t have to cancel someone to dissaprove them. We can just, not agree. 
09:25:57 <louipcm> bridgerton[m]: wrong
09:26:05 <libre[m]> <ErCiccione> "Well. I'm not going to be..." <- Its easy to throw accusations but not easy to receive them. Bet he is cleaning his twitter right now.
09:26:13 <louipcm> cancelled people are moving to decentralised platforms, increasing their adoption
09:26:15 <louipcm> that is good
09:31:53 <libre[m]> decentralization is inevitable. All roads lead there. Some roads faster than others.
09:35:02 <libre[m]> s/decentralization/Decentralization/
09:46:41 <dEBRUYNE> ErCiccione: Nothing absurd about that statement, as XMR2020 said 'Your call out was highly provocative and poorly handled''
09:47:08 <dEBRUYNE> Besides you ask the moderators to moderate the comments on a Sunday
10:17:03 <xamnra[m]> Can we maybe not disclose the attendence of some speakers ahead of time?
10:17:28 <dEBRUYNE> It was listed on the website of the conference afaik
10:20:09 <xamnra[m]> dEBRUYNE: Yeah. I mean maybe we don't need to list every speakers to the website in the future.
10:24:40 <libre[m]> <xamnra[m]> "Can we maybe not disclose the..." <- Great idea. Keeps the SJW away. Just list the topic titles and assign a "Stealth Address" to every speaker. 
10:25:10 <libre[m]> That way we can discuss substance and not people.
10:30:30 <libre[m]> Private by default with opt-in transparency (by the speakers). Just as monero.
10:31:02 <libre[m]> I like it, very protocol-like, resistant to censorship attacks.
12:02:50 <Rucknium[m]> <midipoet> "fuck me, these firms are getting..." <- Which means Monero needs to get a lot of backing. Don't need 15 million USD exactly, but MRL needs more resources for sure.
12:03:50 <midipoet> economics would tell you we haven't a hope, with the disparity. 
12:05:00 <Rucknium[m]> midipoet: I'm not sure what you are saying.
12:06:58 <midipoet> Assuming they allocate resources properly, how do we maintain advantage when they have 20x the investment? (talking broadly)
12:07:41 <Rucknium[m]> Defense and offense are asymmetric.
12:09:18 <Rucknium[m]> We don't need to match them USD-for-USD (or XMR-for-XMR) to properly defend against chain analysis. But we do need more investment in both capital and labor than we have now.
12:34:47 <surgeon_[m]> <libre[m]> "Great idea. Keeps the SJW away..." <- Thats actually a great Idea!
13:48:43 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > Is it feasible to retail hardware wallets w/o KYC
13:48:43 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If you buy the wallet with KYC-free Bitcoin/Monero and ship to a KYC-free maildrop, no ID is needed. You can already buy most hardware wallets this way.
13:51:13 <sudo_ki[m]> <dEBRUYNE> "This matter could have resolved..." <- Our dear friend geonic was shadow banned for the same thing
14:03:16 <sudo_ki[m]> I would on again like to remind everyone that #monero-beef:monero.social exists. Please try and keep your flaming to that room, instead of polluting the community
14:03:23 <sudo_ki[m]> s/on/once/
14:22:15 <sethsimmons> <sudo_ki[m]> "Our dear friend geonic was..." <- No one has been shadow banned -- he was temp banned and it was publicly stated as such plainly.
14:23:05 <sethsimmons> His temp ban was lifted a while ago, but Matrix ban issues caused the ban to persist in this channel only until last week, which we worked hard to remedy. Please do not assume the worst of people without justification 🙂
14:23:05 <sudo_ki[m]> Lol
14:23:06 <sethsimmons> We do not shadow ban here.
14:25:10 <louipcm> thats a technical/sync problem with bridges
14:27:36 <sudo_ki[m]> Who wants to bring up the tos at this point? About defamatory statements?
14:28:03 <sudo_ki[m]> No wonder the leadership here is always questioned
14:32:58 <sudo_ki[m]> <sethsimmons> "His temp ban was lifted a..." <- What are you talking about now, clearly not the same things as me
14:34:09 <louipcm> sudo_ki:  there is an issue with irc/matrix bridge where bans and unbanning is not automatically synced
14:37:04 <sethsimmons> sudo_ki[m]: > Our dear friend geonic was shadow banned for the same thing
14:37:05 <sethsimmons> What else were you talking about there?
14:43:45 <sudo_ki[m]> I'll kindly elaborate, when you corroborate your statement. That should evidence from all the platforms he was banned from. 
14:44:09 <sudo_ki[m]> * That should be evidence from
14:51:13 <sudo_ki[m]> Anyway, wtf, what i wrote was done so in jest 
14:51:26 <sethsimmons> Ban events apparently aren't searchable on Matrix, but the text of the public ban message was:
14:51:26 <sethsimmons> > "Two week ban. For repeated targeted threats and harassment made against various IRC users in multiple monero-* rooms. Targeted threats and harassment are against the Libera.chat ToS. Further ToS violations will result in a permaban w/o further warning. https://libera.chat/policies/"
14:51:38 <sethsimmons> DYOR before attempting to waste people's time with false accusations.
14:51:48 <sethsimmons> Have a good one.
14:53:58 <louipcm> yea thats from matrix side. IRC side would have zero info and not show the ban
14:53:59 <chad[m]12> <ErCiccione> "Well. I'm not going to be..." <- Said the pot to the kettle
14:59:01 <sethsimmons> True, no ban events come through to IRC, as they shouldn't.
14:59:13 <sethsimmons> But the ban was discussed and all of that came across the bridge.
14:59:29 <sudo_ki[m]> Where was the ban discussed?
15:02:06 <sethsimmons> Here, at length.
15:02:36 <sethsimmons> This is very old news, not sure why you're stirring it up now.
15:04:14 <sudo_ki[m]> You replied, not my problem
15:04:37 <nioc> wut lol
15:05:12 <sethsimmons> Ok.
15:05:29 <sethsimmons> Just correcting abject lies when I see them.
15:05:33 <sudo_ki[m]> .
15:06:19 <sudo_ki[m]> Yea, you're very good at that, keep it up 
15:06:58 <sethsimmons> 👍️
16:02:23 <Rucknium[m]> <spirobel[m]> "cool. So I will start working on..." <- I plan to write a Monero Bounty for this. Tentative title and domain name:
16:02:23 <Rucknium[m]> "Where to Find Monero Research: moneroresearch.wtf"
16:19:08 <crypto_grampy[m]> Amazing