00:21:08 <xmrscott[m]> Exchanges do not dox their customers as they have no financial reason to do so
00:22:19 <fjgkaoxjtnalqock> I know but I mean a KYC exchange like Coinbase “doxxes” me as they know who I am
00:22:29 <fjgkaoxjtnalqock> I suppose what I’m really asking is if my receive address from Coinbase can be correlated to funds I send later. I think the answer is no
00:25:01 <xmrscott[m]> Doxing means publicly posting PII and saying it belongs to a psuedo-anon individual
00:25:30 <fjgkaoxjtnalqock> Eh sorry I guess I just meant deanonmize
00:25:41 <xmrscott[m]> So long as you don't use the same subaddress to send to as you do Coinbase, etc you're find
00:27:03 <xmrscott[m]> If you send to the same subaddr across from two different exchanges it isn't detectable on the blockchain, but both exchanges can still log and save the subaddr
00:27:43 <xmrscott[m]> s/find/fine/
00:29:43 <xmrscott[m]> * the blockchain as it gets converted to stealth addr, but
00:32:00 <surgeon_[m]> The other thing to keep in mind is that CEXs might require further info from you beyond your ID if they deem transactions suspicious (amount, different and multiple send/receive addresses).
00:38:46 <chad[m]1> fjgkaoxjtnalqockb: btcmaine.com is also reputable as a KYC-free Monero on-ramp. The owmer, snowkeld , frequents these rooms and is a real bastion to the noKYC community. Highly recommend him for noKYC fiat purchases.
00:55:06 <fjgkaoxjtnalqock> chad: thanks
01:31:21 <snowkeld[m]> <chad[m]1> "fjgkaoxjtnalqockb: btcmaine...." <- onramp usage is very location dependent. Could try textverified with other BTMs, money order on bisq, or even mining if there isn't a great option near you. 
01:32:13 <anarkiocrypto[m]> > Exchanges do not dox their customers as they have no financial reason to do so... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c6016788ea3174f7bd234afafbdcb4f7907ba640)
02:38:08 <fjgkaoxjtnalqock> The way I see it KYC is the overbearing all seeing eyes of a nosy government. I’m fed up with the surveillance. Thanks for the info all
03:20:33 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Don't worry, it's possible to get KYC-free Monero & earn, spend and save anonymous money via Monero. Check the links in my previous post.
21:51:54 <BusyBoredom[m]> Does anyone know of any existing federated marketplace projects? Like if Mastodon and Ebay had a baby. 
21:52:31 <Torr> Hmmm, I saw something like this a little while ago. Lemme see if I can remember the name.
21:54:30 <BusyBoredom[m]> Sweet, yeah please do let me know if you remember it. 
22:18:59 <Rucknium[m]> You probably know about OpenBazaar, I assume
23:14:56 <BusyBoredom[m]> Oh wow, I had not heard if it until now. Thank you for mentioning it, it looks almost exactly like what I wanted. 
23:15:39 <Rucknium[m]> The problem is that development has mostly stopped.
23:16:30 <crypto_grampy[m]> There's a similar project (also a fork of Monero, I believe) called 'Particl' https://particl.news/particl-v3-now-available-on-mainnet/
23:17:57 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Should fork Particl back to Monero to make a decentralized marketplace (similar to Haveno but for products/services instead of fiat exchanges). :)
23:18:12 <Torr> > 100% Javascript
23:18:21 <Torr> Dear me
23:21:56 <crypto_grampy[m]> I think they're going to have some kind of monero/particle-shitcoin atomic swap
23:22:33 <crypto_grampy[m]> at least they wrote it in typescript
23:24:18 <BusyBoredom[m]> My only gripe with OpenBazaar so far (just reading about it now) is that it requires manually selecting an arbitrator. I was imagining a system where the arbitrator(s) would be the owner(s) of the user's and vendor's instances in either a 3/4 or 2/3 multisig, to simplify the process. 
23:28:29 <anarkiocrypto[m]> That would make escrows for self-hosted marketplaces useless (since host and trader are the same) and add bias (e.g. collusion agreement between vendor and marketplace host).
23:28:51 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Better to choose a neutral third party who is unrelated to both buyer and seller.
23:31:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> Only useless if the user's instance is the same as the vendor's (because if the user were on a seperate instance, both instance owners would be arbitrators). Presumably if a user has an account on a given instance, they have some level of trust in the instance's owner. 
23:38:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The vendor and their marketplace host collude: the vendor sends an invalid tracking code and the product never arrives, and the host says "He sent the tracking code, any problems are the courier's fault, no refund".
23:38:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> The buyer and their marketplace host both agree to refund the buyer because the tracking code is clearly invalid. But since the vendor and their marketplace host don't agree to refund, they can do nothing, because they don't have enough signatures for 3/4.
23:38:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> 2/4 would be insecure, as the marketplace hosts would have full control over the funds.
23:38:50 <anarkiocrypto[m]> 2/3 with a chosen external mediator would be better.
23:44:21 <BusyBoredom[m]> I am willing to risk the deadlock in that scenario, it is worth it to me for a smoother user experience. Unless there is some way to automate the selection of a single, neutral arbitrator. 
23:47:12 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Why not allow the free market to deal with it. Select a mediator who you trust. Bitrated.com has a similar system.
23:48:46 <BusyBoredom[m]> As I'm sitting here thinking about it, maybe you are right. If malicious vendors were self-hosting often, and users were carelessly sorting by "lowest price" and clicking the first option, funds might get locked pretty frequently. 
23:48:46 <BusyBoredom[m]> I will read more about OpenBazaar's mediator selection, maybe it's not as much of a pain as I'm imagining. 
23:49:27 <anarkiocrypto[m]> And I'm sure many marketplace hosts just want to deal with the technical side (VPS, software updates, etc.), not deal with disputes and any related customer support, investigative work and risks.
23:51:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> My thinking was that hosts would charge some percentage of each transaction for the service, but that seems to be unnecessary for OpenBazaar.
23:53:33 <nikg83[m]> Any idea when next monero update ? Seems no date hasn’t been finalised, not sure what’s the delay for increasing ringsize and bp+
23:54:35 <nikg83[m]> Anyone knows what’s pending ?