07:07:51 <libre[m]> Another interesting kyc-less service for swapping is 4swap.org / mixin app
07:08:25 <libre[m]> I like that it lets me transform MOB into XMR quickly (for when people send me payments via signal)
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07:11:10 <libre[m]> I thought it could be interesting for those wondering how to swap the mob shitcoin into xmr without kyc
07:15:18 <unscottable[m]> hm.. seems interesting 
07:15:34 <unscottable[m]> im not sure i like the browser wallet, but the other option to connect a wallet i will explore. 
07:17:52 <libre[m]> It isn't in the browser. It needs to authorize the payment via mixin app. The browser is just the UI for the swaps.
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07:18:53 <libre[m]> You have to scan with your cellphone to authorize the swap. It's pretty neat actually
07:20:27 <unscottable[m]> libre[m]: I meant that upon clicking "Connect Wallet" I am presented with 2 options. Mixin Messenger and Fennec 
07:20:36 <unscottable[m]> Fennec says it is a Mixin Network Browser Wallet. 
07:20:55 <libre[m]> Oh I see. I just use it with the mixin app
07:21:47 <unscottable[m]> Yeah that seems to be the way to go, Id be weary of cookies stored in my browser and the browser wallet having access to them
10:01:31 <g0d0h932> hi
10:02:41 <g0d0h932> wow this guys bought a radio frequencies scanner and found bio tech in his body https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1ZqRhe4lZE
10:02:51 <g0d0h932> oups sorry wrong chan
12:32:30 <mfoolb_> (window 2
12:51:41 <plowsof[m]> The balance of the General Funds BTC wallet is almost at 10k$ https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KTexdemPdxSBcG55heUuTjDRYqbC5ZL8H
14:06:45 <adamantium[m]> monero is a stablecoin
14:06:55 <adamantium[m]> 😆
14:39:57 <entry1[m]> *Monero is a stable money maker shorting*
14:46:31 <adamantium[m]> i collect xmr like pokémon
14:50:16 <adamantium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/r6mpjg/at_least_were_top_5_somewhere/
14:51:23 <adamantium[m]> this is more important then marketcap
15:31:23 <jwinterm[m]> 208 merchants?
16:59:28 <adamantium[m]> <jwinterm[m]> "208 merchants?" <- 210 now
16:59:53 <adamantium[m]> https://www.acceptedhere.io/stats/
17:01:22 <jwinterm[m]> adamantium[m]: That seems so low, especially for bitcoin, that the site should just be ignored as unreliable
17:03:00 <adamantium[m]> what are you talking about... this site is promoted by getmonero.org
17:04:26 <adamantium[m]> * site is being promoted by
17:04:26 <crypto_grampy[m]> someone should make an api that pulls number of monero-accepting vendors and from each dnm 🙃
17:05:14 <crypto_grampy[m]> looking at plowsof 
17:05:28 <plowsof[m]> Are the 'dnm' stores not open source btw? 
17:07:11 <plowsof[m]> crypto_grampy[m]: Some kind of tor site scraper hm 👍️
17:08:15 <crypto_grampy[m]> my grandson told me one of the ones he visited listed number of merchants
17:08:44 <crypto_grampy[m]> there are a few listing aggregator sites as well on dark.fail
17:09:00 <crypto_grampy[m]> maybe create a monero bounty for dnm metrics :)
17:09:07 <jwinterm[m]> <adamantium[m]> "what are you talking about..." <- You think there are only 700 merchants that accept btc?
17:09:22 <jwinterm[m]> That's so low it makes everything on that site meaningless
17:10:17 <jwinterm[m]> Bitpay alone services over 10000 merchants and probably almost everyone of them accepts btc
17:10:25 <sethsimmons> https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/ lists 1200 for Monero lol
17:10:37 <sethsimmons> SOmething is off about acceptedhere.io.
17:11:30 <Rucknium[m]> Every merchant in El Salvador is forced to accept BTC by law now, assuming they are technically capable of doing so.
17:11:44 <sethsimmons> https://cryptwerk.com/coins/ seems much more accurate
17:11:46 <crypto_grampy[m]> they don't even have wownero listed on the top 5.  unbelievable.  
17:15:12 <adamantium[m]> sethsimmons: lol, somethings off for sure then
17:17:42 <whaleshunter[m]> Hi guys
17:17:57 <whaleshunter[m]> Do you know something about privacy in NFTs?
18:18:03 <adamantium[m]> https://therecord.media/fbi-document-shows-what-data-can-be-obtained-from-encrypted-messaging-apps/
18:44:24 <entry1[m]> That's the FBI's direct take on what can be gathered. I have my doubts that the NSA/CIA can't gather more than that. Wouldn't be much of a secret if a training doc reveals the full power of inter-governmental reach. Good to know low level FBI do not have access to more info though.
20:07:45 <adamantium[m]> i dont trust all those messengers anyway
20:09:27 <adamantium[m]> either xmpp, matrix as federated software 
20:10:05 <adamantium[m]> or session or briar lokinet/tor based
20:10:30 <adamantium[m]> briar is energy hungry though
20:13:42 <bitlamas[m]> Monero should go through a network upgrade soon, which means a hard fork. Previously there were external audits done in the new cryptography being implemented in the code. Are we not having external audits this time because no new cryptography is being implemented? Is there any value in hiring external code reviewers to review the changes being implemented or it wouldn't make sense because these code reviewers would need to be
20:13:43 <bitlamas[m]> intimate with the code base to provide value?
20:16:03 <nikg83[m]> bitlamas[m]: I would donate to a ccs which has a full code audit 
20:16:54 <sethsimmons> bitlamas[m]: An audit is certainly not necessary (beyond the already completed BP+ audits), but can never hurt if funded and not too straining on community funds.
20:17:31 <sethsimmons> BP+ audit is here: https://suyash67.github.io/homepage/assets/pdfs/bulletproofs_plus_audit_report_v1.1.pdf
20:18:15 <bitlamas[m]> I honestly don't have experience in open source development so I'm unaware on how these would proceed. I do know that monero has a good number of contributors but at the same time, by just lurking around here and reading the dev meetings, it seems that sometimes we lack people who could review the code changes. So I was wondering what could be done to improve on that front.
20:18:52 <unscottable[m]> <adamantium[m]> "i dont trust all those messenger..." <- i use signal and its pretty good, its also easy to get people to use it. the main challenge is getting clients/friends/etc to use the app you want then to use. 
20:18:52 <sethsimmons> Need to pull in more devs that are capable of code reviews via word of mouth and other recruiting efforts 🙂
20:19:09 <sethsimmons> Paid audits are not really necessary for minor changes, but more PR reviews is always a win.
20:19:45 <nikg83[m]> We should have bug bounty program before each release
20:20:43 <adamantium[m]> unscottable[m]: im using it too but they want to implwment mobilecoin which is a centralized xmr fork
20:20:48 <bitlamas[m]> Monero is kinda unique in the sense that the protocol is being actively developed, in contrast with ossified bitcoin for example. That is a plus in the sense of having new, better technology, but it also brings the possibility of introducing new bugs. Wouldn't the project benefit of having some 'informal' audit/code review process before network upgrades?
20:21:12 <bitlamas[m]> Well, I guess even if hard forks are required these changes could still be classified as "minor".
20:21:30 <adamantium[m]> i would prefer session over signal
20:23:16 <carrington[m]> Bitcoin has Bitcoin Improvement Proposals (BIPs) which have their own procedure, and there is also come kind of PR review club I remember hearing about
20:23:27 <sethsimmons> nikg83[m]: There are a lot of things we should have -- but someone has to step up to actually do these things
20:23:28 <carrington[m]> Some kind*
20:23:34 <Rucknium[m]> nikg83[m]: Does the Vulnerability Response Process count as a bug bounty program?
20:24:07 <carrington[m]> https://bitcoincore.reviews/
20:24:09 <sethsimmons> bitlamas[m]: Every code merge undergoes review by multiple non-author devs.
20:24:33 <sethsimmons> And TMK every HF has included audits on the critical pieces being changed (like the upcoming inclusion of BP+).
20:25:07 <sethsimmons> In essence, every merge of code undergoes informal reviews before merging, but we don't do paid audits for every merge, of course.
20:25:29 <bitlamas[m]> Yes, every merge is reviewed. My point is that it's usually done by the same people, and there are not necessarily that many people who can properly do it. So I was wondering what possible actions other than reading a C++ book and becoming a good developer one could do to improve on this.
20:26:27 <carrington[m]> Both are good semi-formalizations of the process but it would be a bog effort to get either one up and running and sustain engagement from people with competency+time
20:26:59 <sethsimmons> Rucknium[m]: Yes, but not in the sense he was meaning I would think.
20:27:09 <sethsimmons> A bug hunt or hackathon would be great to have regularly.
20:27:59 <sethsimmons> carrington[m]: Something on my backlog (and that will be priority if I seek to work on Monero full-time) would be the implementation of a Monero Improvement Protocol pulling in bits and pieces from EIP/BIP approaches.
20:28:00 <carrington[m]> Although maybe BIPs are not a good thing to emulate seeing as BTC has mostly stagnated
20:28:20 <sethsimmons> MIPs would be a great addition and helpful in standardizing our approach to large changes and new features.
20:28:48 <sethsimmons> bitlamas[m]: Find devs to pull in to Monero, and convince them to use CCS for funding if necessary.
20:40:12 <Rucknium[m]> <carrington[m]> "Although maybe BIPs are not a..." <- BCH has CHIPs and it's not stagnating. See bitcoincashresearch.org , where most CHIPs are posted.
20:41:29 <Rucknium[m]> Seth For Privacy: And researchers: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pkg3d6/the_monero_project_should_actively_recruit/
20:45:54 <nikg83[m]> <sethsimmons> "A bug hunt or hackathon would be..." <- Yah a hackathon would be nice 
20:48:31 <nikg83[m]> https://www.hackerearth.com/recruit/hackathons/
20:50:04 <nikg83[m]> We might even get more devs through this