07:20:40 <string111[m]> Anyone has a clue how a swapper like sideshift.ai works? I do not think they use atomic swaps, so how can I be sure to not get scammed?
07:22:17 <kayabaNerve> You can't be sure if it's not an atomic swap. That's why they exist. As for sideshift.ai, I can't comment on it specifically as I've never heard of it. If you find a suitable amount of reviews you trust, which are positive, you *can* try it, but any centralized service can always screw you over.
07:31:34 <Inge> string111[m]: all swap services are custodial - you give away your coins and hope the fulfill the other side of the deal. Only trustless way is via *actual* atomic swaps (and the service called Atomic Swap isn't...)
07:32:27 <kayabaNerve> ... there's a service called AS which isn't atomic?
08:00:09 <Inge> yeah
08:36:08 <ZombieMaster[m]1> <kayabaNerve> "You can't be sure if it's not an..." <- i think sideshift.ai is what monerujo used to pay btc with xmr after xmr.to closed
08:41:53 <string111[m]> There are a few swappers, they are listed here: https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/
08:41:53 <string111[m]> I guess all custodial.
08:42:37 <anarkiocrypto[m]> FixedFloat.com, Flyp.me and CoinSwap.click are also good.
08:44:57 <unscottable[m]> i tried coinswap.click. works well enough. 
08:45:31 <unscottable[m]> fixedfloat has been disabling ltc <-> xmr lately. 
08:45:51 <string111[m]> Thanks. Those requiring no KYC and trading at 0% fee, seem like honeypots, tbh^^
08:46:48 <unscottable[m]> if you broadcast from tor and do things properly, no need to worry. 
08:48:23 <anarkiocrypto[m]> KYC-free is accessible, not a honeypot. In comparison, exchanges that require government ID are financially exclusionary and send your data to the state.
08:48:23 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If you use e.g. FixedFloat, they only know your withdrawal address and amount, deposit TXID and IP address (use Tor).
08:49:08 <anarkiocrypto[m]> FixedFloat has low fees but probably has high volume, so it still earns money.
08:49:20 <unscottable[m]> a wallet having the feature to connect and broadcast via TOR proxy is a must for me. 
08:50:26 <anarkiocrypto[m]> If you use the wallet in Whonix Workstation, everything is routed via Tor anyway. Not sure about mobile wallets, since AFAIK Orbot doesn't have a kill-switch and may leak the IP.
08:52:42 <string111[m]> unscottable[m]: Yes, sure.
08:52:42 <string111[m]> A lot criminals though suck at their OpSec. Would be stupid if the big brother would not at least monitor these swappers.
08:53:09 <unscottable[m]> criminals are also more likely to have a low IQ, so yea, makes sense. 
08:53:12 <unscottable[m]> sucks to be a dummy 
08:53:27 <ComplyLast> always swap into XMR and let the big brother suck it up string111[m] 
08:53:47 <unscottable[m]> 😆
08:53:59 <string111[m]> 😅
08:58:26 <m2049r[m]> <anarkiocrypto[m]> "If you use the wallet in..." <- Monerujo now uses the orbot gateway directly (not through is vpn function), so if orbot dies there's no connection.
09:01:01 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Great to hear. :) I couldn't find any kill-switch in Orbot's settings, so there is a worry that if Orbot fails, disconnects or shuts down, apps would connect to clearnet instead of going offline. Happy to hear that Monerujo is protected against this.
09:22:36 <carrington[m]> <m2049r[m]> "Monerujo now uses the orbot..." <- Do you mean that monerujo has orbot functionality within the app? 
12:01:28 <string111[m]> What is Orbit?
12:01:34 <string111[m]> * What is Orbot?
12:21:03 <ComplyLast> tor router for android, string111[m] 
13:46:26 <kestreljc> I'm brand new to this irc stuff, and learning how to utilize the potential of Monero.
13:50:54 <ComplyLast> welcome
13:51:31 <kestreljc> It worked! :-)  Thanks
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14:59:07 <m2049r[m]> <carrington[m]> "Do you mean that monerujo has..." <- It uses orbot if you have it installed (touch the network icon next to the node to toggle tor connectivity).  You can use regular node over tor and also onion nodes