08:48:35 "Haveno will be a desktop..." <- anarkiocrypto: could you please suggest some good docs about Whonix ? Thanks. 10:52:28 The Whonix wiki has everything you need, e.g. https://www.whonix.org/wiki/KVM You could also ask any questions here: https://matrix.to/#/#anonymity:matrix.org 13:30:47 Have you ever heard of the "Trusted" Plataform Module (TPM)? 14:24:55 Is there a lightning network for XMR, or does it not need one. And then why is that so? 14:43:31 So far it doesn't need one because the block size is dynamic. It can change automatically to accommodate higher throughput when needed. 14:43:31 That said, nobody really knows how far this can scale practically speaking so some people have been looking into second layer solutions in case that becomes necessary. 14:45:18 string111: BTC needs a Lightning Network due to a deliberate decision to continue limiting the block size to 1MB. They could lift that limit at any time -- it[s just a number in the code -- and dramatically reduce the need for the Lightning Network. Lifting the limit is not without consequences, however. 14:54:19 The issue with a dynamic blocksize is the blockchain becoming so big that fewer people are able to run nodes. These nodes become too powerful. the network loses in decentralisation. 14:56:47 I'd agree with everything you said except "These nodes become too powerful." Running a node doesn't give you power over anyone. 14:58:28 interesting, so what would be the issue to have only one node running ? 14:58:53 How was the effect of btc crash on xmr? 15:00:45 I had a hypothesis that any coin crash won't have much impact on xmr as it is being boycotted by exchanges and people are not enthusiastic about it. 15:00:57 It only had organic growth 15:01:13 ian.niculescu: Many people prefer to have their own hardware verify the blockchain, and therefore would prefer to run their own node. 15:01:51 yes I agree 15:03:01 If btc goes down everything goes down, I can't explain it 15:03:52 at what point do you think the blockchain becoming huge poses a problem to monero ? 15:08:02 ian.niculescu: Monero Research Lab is sort of grappling with these questions now. We have performance tests for Seraphis, which is expected to be the next generation of cryptography for Monero transactions. 15:08:07 I can explain it 15:08:24 if the stock market goes down then btc goes down 15:08:42 Basically, the tests tell us how long it takes for a computer to verify transactions, which is part of what slows down the syncing of Monero's chain: 15:08:42 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/91 15:10:01 And then mj-xmr is working to get a sense of some forecasting for different transaction types. Then we multiply the two together, and divide by low-end hardware performance, sort of. 15:22:07 "string111: BTC needs a Lightning..." <- Alright thank you! But would there be a way to have something like a lightning channel set up between two parties (so they both put a sort of prepaid-cash in the tunnel and both can sign a "contract" and money is transfered within the channel), to reduce transaction fee costs? 15:22:47 I know that smart contracts are not a thing in XMR, but for this, signatures should suffice, not? 15:30:41 string111: These are claimed to work for Monero: 15:30:41 https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/1445 15:30:41 https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1441 15:31:01 Thanks a lot! 15:31:23 I like the idea of a LN on monero very much, even more so if it is conneccted to btc LN and you can swap assets offchain. Also you would be able to open a channel with someone that is not connected to the worldwide network and you would have more than plausible deniability. totally invisible offchain transactions 16:28:29 #monero-space:monero.social meeting in 30 mins 21:32:27 Monero is shilled here. Nicely. https://blog.thenewoil.org/2022-review-ivpn