09:03:47 <bridgerton[m]> <xXTrevXx | beehivewallet.link> @CrimsonKing could I pm you please?
09:17:39 <bridgerton[m]> <CrimsonKing> do it
10:47:07 <inlight_> Hi
10:47:10 <inlight_> i have a question
10:47:36 <inlight_> Cryptocurrency is fine as long as we are trading virtual goods
10:48:58 <inlight_> when it comes to real life goods, if government starts doing crackdown on vendors accepting cryptocurrency
10:49:01 <inlight_> what will we do?
10:49:32 <Inge> cry
10:49:48 <inlight_> is there any solution for this?
10:50:05 <Inge> if enough people have/use cryptocurrencies, they will impact policy
10:50:20 <inlight_> lets imaging a country like china
10:50:30 <Inge> https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/russian-govt-and-central-bank-agree-to-treat-bitcoin-as-currency-202202090832
10:51:19 <inlight_> what will they do, is there any solution to this?
10:51:36 <inlight_> like p2p exchange
10:52:46 <inlight_> if they start doing crackdown on cryptocurrency - fiat exchange
10:53:42 <Inge> if govt bans using crypto, then legal businesses will not accept crypto ...
10:54:20 <inlight_> then cryptocurrency will not survive?
10:55:18 <inlight_> Those who illegally accept cryptocurrencies as payment will incur fines.
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11:51:51 <hansams[m]> <jonah_xd[m]> "1644447259408.png" <- That s bad!
12:01:09 <hansams[m]> <inlight_> "if they start doing crackdown on..." <- I hear you. Then it is really important that there are local trust circles who can trade between each other with crypto. Important is that trust comes before trading in these cases. So, for example, if you have a small local shop and government shots everything down, then by this time you have circle of “friends” (people you trust), who are still buying from you and who can
12:01:09 <hansams[m]> relay you still sell for them for crypto. Bust this trust circle you have to have before everything goes down. So, you better start organising your own local trust circles.
12:04:22 <spirobel[m]> <jonah_xd[m]> "1644447259408.png" <- weird... local laws of the sender or the receiver? this is odd. I dont think turkey bans denying the holocaust. 
12:14:55 <surgeon_[m]> Would be ironic at least considering their stance on Armenia. But yeah dont use telegram. Especially as a euro who has his name and phone number associated with his account. And i dont believe the channels are E2EEd by default.
12:18:41 <spirobel[m]> seems like web2 is already in a bear market. They will all get rekt in a political volatile situation. twitter is getting rekt, facebook is getting rekt and in the end telegram will get rekt too ... doubt they can weasel their way out of this whole situation without losing a lot of money. 
12:21:03 <surgeon_[m]> Definitely. Only permissionless and decentralized infrastructures have even a chance at surviving.
12:53:51 <inlight_> how
12:54:02 <inlight_> they can censor permissionless and ecentralized infrastucutre
12:54:07 <inlight_> at least make it unusable
13:01:45 <surgeon_[m]> As opposed to censoring permissioned and centralized things? Which of those two things is harder to do.
13:08:04 <spirobel[m]> <inlight_> "at least make it unusable" <- no offense, but you sound like a doomer 😀
13:08:32 <spirobel[m]> <inlight_> "they can censor permissionless..." <- for sure there is a way, but I still cant picture the government launching ddos attacks on decentralized protocols.
13:09:32 <spirobel[m]> bureaucrats are more into laws and this kind of stuff. web2 companies are much more vulnerable to this stuff.
13:15:57 <inlight_> spirobel[m]: no offense, but you sound clueless
13:16:07 <inlight_> you cant even think about what i was talkin
13:16:14 <inlight_> if they start doing crackdown on cryptocurrency - fiat exchange
13:16:29 <inlight_> if govt bans using crypto, then legal businesses will not accept crypto
13:16:44 <inlight_> it will be unusable,why will u keep crypto
13:22:20 <spirobel[m]> <inlight_> "if govt bans using crypto..." <- legal businesses are kind of boring though. Educate yourself on the second realm. Focusing more on private individuals and entrepreneurship makes more sense for monero anyhow. I dont think institutional adoption and big companies accepting monero is the holy grail we are search for here. If you care about that just buy bitcoin or ethereum and call it a day. 
13:22:40 <spirobel[m]> s/search/searching/
13:23:12 <hansams[m]> <surgeon_[m]> "Would be ironic at least..." <- End to end you can get on Telegram only for 1on1 messages (if you turn this option on).
13:24:52 <surgeon_[m]> Yeah. telegram is literally worse than whatsapp
14:12:01 <inlight_> spirobel[m]: im talking about govt. banning all cryptocurrency
14:23:55 <monerobull[m]> <hansams[m]> "End to end you can get on..." <- telegram is horrendous for privacy
14:25:13 <monerobull[m]> even the monero extremists buying a pound of stickers from me only have e2ee on in maybe 2/10 cases 
14:25:33 <monerobull[m]> and in the worst case their phone number is set to public
14:32:38 <inlight_> you sell stickers?
14:35:52 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> I looked into it and the option to start a secret chat is pretty tucked away
14:35:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> nasty piece of software
14:36:22 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> (I say, on discord)
14:44:17 <monerobull[m]> <inlight_> "you sell stickers?" <- yeah
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16:38:47 <snorch[m]> <monerobull[m]> "yeah" <- Worldwide? I'm in Europe
17:26:40 <monerobull[m]> <snorch[m]> "Worldwide? I'm in Europe" <- jup
17:28:37 <monerobull[m]> https://www.reddit.com/user/monerobull/comments/rv1ina/selling_stickers_in_bulk_for_guerilla_marketing/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share more info, let's not spam this room too much
18:52:19 <Scalability> https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-107.html
18:53:11 <inlight> what is this
18:56:40 <nioc> where am I and how did I get here?