14:54:59 <bridgerton[m]> <TheIlluminatiMember> What's up with a lot of media alerting about 51% attacks on XMR
14:55:06 <bridgerton[m]> <TheIlluminatiMember> Is it really that bad?
14:57:54 <ajs_[m]> new MoneroKon website is live https://monerokon.com
15:03:00 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> media is retarded
15:11:18 <raas[m]> <ajs_[m]> "new MoneroKon website is live..." <- ohhh lisbon...cool maybe i will attend
16:27:24 <aksion[m]> Hello everyone To popularize monero, is it possible to screw the "decentralized file storage" function to the algorithm? For example , according to this principle:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7d6968325eee8f2086ee29d14f4f4479d6ca8a18)
16:35:51 <aksion[m]> 5. If suddenly the user has a failure of his storage, then make time to update the disk to a new one, and sync again. The system can track which files/archives have poor reliability and issue a rating directly in the wallet. For example, you can make recommendations that if only 1 copy, then the reliability of x, if 2, then the coefficient of x, and so on. Introduce the concept of 100% reliable storage, when the system itself looks
16:35:51 <aksion[m]> at the availability of duplicates, analyzes, and if the reliability decreases below some level, it makes another duplicate on other volumes provided.
16:35:51 <aksion[m]> So it is possible to make a global repository of the most valuable information of civilization, distributed in a decentralized manner to all continents. And even if there are some cataclysms, then a duplicate will remain, which, as the network grows and recovers after accidents, will multiply again to acceptable storage reliability.
16:35:51 <aksion[m]> This will make monero very popular not only as a coin, but also as a system for storing human information, both in securely encrypted form (who needs it) and open - the knowledge base of mankind.
16:42:04 <aksion[m]> It would popularize monero. It could also be done that if you want to participate in such mutual storage of duplicates, you should still store part of the node, which would increase the reliability of the network and the safety of the blockchain, improve decentralization
16:49:40 <r4v3r23[m]> "i want a certain feature" = "it would popularize monero"
16:52:47 <selsta> monero is not suitable for decentralized file storage
16:54:44 <aksion[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> ""i want a certain feature" = "it..." <- In this case yes
16:55:19 <r4v3r23[m]> of course
17:15:18 <chaser1> is there somewhere a Github discussion for the script of the Monero explanatory vid on the official website? there are some mistakes in it, and choices of topic that would probably benefit from fixing
17:25:14 <plowsof[m]> chaser: ErCiccione should know about that , dont think he's in this room though 
17:25:47 <plowsof[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/erciccione-website7.html
17:46:31 <ajs_[m]> chaser:  https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/promo-video
17:50:31 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> feature bloat
17:50:41 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> monero's main goal is to be a cryptocurrency
17:51:04 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> a decentralized file storage is a completely different product
17:58:41 <chaser1> <ajs_[m]> "chaser:  https://github.com/..." <- thanks but as I understand this repo is only for translations. I want to improve on the script of the original video
17:59:29 <chaser1> the one-minute commercial-type one found on the getmonero.org opening page
18:07:05 <aksion[m]> I began to study blockchain technologies in more detail. Please tell me - do I understand correctly that if the central nodes (such as node.monroeworld.com for example) where are the notes (blockchain) stored with white IP addresses blocked, then the coin network will not be able to function? If you ask a different question - can the Monero network function normally only on gray dynamically changing IP addresses? After all, people
18:07:05 <aksion[m]> have very few static white IP addresses in practice and they are very easy to block. Thanks!
18:11:27 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> yes but it might take longer for peers to find each other im not sure
18:21:22 <aksion[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> yes but it might..." <- I just completely synchronized the blockchain in my wallet and kept it at my place. and for a long time I was sure that I was a full-fledged node. But then I read the article, and realized that on a gray dynamic IP address like 10.0.0.1 from the provider, I'm practically a dummy for the network, and there is no node. It really upset me.
18:21:22 <aksion[m]> And then even more upset was the arrival of the understanding that in reality the entire network is held only by nodes located on static white IP addresses, which are few (few). And my world collapsed. That is, we people with gray dynamic IP addresses cannot support the network at all. Moreover, if any government decides to cover up the cryptocurrency, then it is enough for it to impose a ban on renting a white IP address through
18:21:22 <aksion[m]> providers and the coin network will collapse. In fact, in many countries IPv4 is controlled by governments. In general, for example, it is almost impossible to take a white static IP address, and if you do, you become completely deanonymized, all contact details are required. And if you raise the blockchain at such an address, you will be in the palm of your hand.
18:27:00 <inlight_> hello
19:01:53 <komikono[m]> > <@aksion:matrix.org> I just completely synchronized the blockchain in my wallet and kept it at my place. and for a long time I was sure that I was a full-fledged node. But then I read the article, and realized that on a gray dynamic IP address like 10.0.0.1 from the provider, I'm practically a dummy for the network, and there is no node. It really upset me.
19:01:53 <komikono[m]> > And then even more upset was the arrival of the understanding that in reality the entire network is held only by nodes located on static white IP addresses, which are few (few). And my world collapsed. That is, we people with gray dynamic IP addresses cannot support the network at all. Moreover, if any government decides to cover up the cryptocurrency, then it is enough for it to impose a ban on renting a white IP address through
19:01:53 <komikono[m]> providers and the coin network will collapse. In fact, in many countries IPv4 is controlled by governments. In general, for example, it is almost impossible to take a white static IP address, and if you do, you become completely deanonymized, all contact details are required. And if you raise the blockchain at such an address, you will be in the palm of your hand.
19:01:53 <komikono[m]> you still support the network even with a dynamic ip and for the initial peer discovery you can still use tor/i2p
19:02:08 <aksion[m]> In fact, it just kills me, too, after realizing it. Please answer only one question - that is, I have only a gray IP from the provider and downloading the full node (blockchain) is still a dummy in the cryptocurrency network? It's just that I understand that without white IP addresses, a cryptocurrency network cannot exist. And it turns out that this is the bottleneck of cryptocurrencies - just pick up white addresses (which is
19:02:08 <aksion[m]> what happens in principle). More than 99 percent of people have gray IP from the provider. White IP addresses are either not available at all, or require a fee and full deanonymization, which makes it very easy to detect the owner of a full node is really not a dummy at a white address.
19:06:24 <aksion[m]> komikono[m]: I don't just have a dynamic IP address, it's also gray. Do you know the difference between gray and white IP? I understand that the cryptocurrency network cannot exist without white IP addresses, at least for several holders of full nodes. Right? Any government can take control of white IP, and... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/d07346a16cfbdc2e4870d07328b15e1d6f542b87)
20:17:47 <aksion[m]> there are 190 countries in the world, and the world government is one. If they need to make the Internet without white IP addresses, then it's like clicking a finger. Moreover, most will not notice, but cryptocurrencies will die at once. It is enough just to give a command to controlled providers to issue white IP addresses only to loyal hosting companies and portals. That's all. By and large, this has already been done in most
20:17:47 <aksion[m]> cases. There are many places where it is either terribly difficult to get a white IP, or it is already impossible. I called 3 providers to buy a white IP and all three said they were not available yet. The type of service as if there is such a thing, but really not. Really white IP addresses remained only with large hosters and more or less democratic countries, which is also very shaky.
20:27:11 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Could onion nodes help? https://xmrguide.org/remote_nodes Or try to proxy it somehow via a VPS's static IP?
22:30:29 <inlight> https://blog.dshr.org/2022/01/another-layer-of-centralization.html
22:54:50 <aksion[m]> <inlight> "https://blog.dshr.org/2022/01/..." <- A wonderful article. Only one thing. Not people do not want to run servers, but people are deprived of a simple opportunity to do this - simply by depriving white IP addresses. IPv6 is deliberately sabotaged in order to continue to maintain an artificial shortage of ipv4. Now, even for fairly large companies, it is sometimes difficult to get their own white IP address for rent, not
22:54:50 <aksion[m]> to mention getting it into ownership. Simple numbers have made goods and gold, as well as domain names by the way. Whatever domain name you come up with - it already belongs to someone, and they are ready to sell it to you for rent
22:56:44 <inlight> it is not about domain name.. blockchain works on IP address 
22:57:03 <inlight> and Ipv6 are abundant, just buy a server or talk to your isp, you could get one
22:57:10 <inlight> or host on a colocation center
22:57:29 <inlight> i thought you have written a genuine serious point
22:57:47 <aksion[m]> inlight: I just compared domain names with a shortage of IP addresses. Both were initially appropriated and traded by someone
22:58:16 <inlight> lol
22:59:20 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Try to host an onion with Tor, although IDK how this works with dynamic or shared IP addresses.
22:59:43 <aksion[m]> inlight: 5 providers refused me an IPv6 address. And 4 providers in IPv4 white address. 2 providers put the type in the waiting queue. This suggests that someone can just limit you at any moment.
22:59:55 <inlight> lol
22:59:58 <inlight> your provider is stupid
23:00:12 <inlight> they will give what they can acc. to their business standpoint
23:00:54 <inlight> internet a place of thousands of provider <3
23:01:44 <aksion[m]> inlight: These providers are not stupid, they are simply under the control of the authorities and fulfill their will. What prevents them from also fulfilling the will of any government at the moment when the government wants to kill some kind of cryptocurrency? If it's not enough for a few dozen people to pick up white ip addresses. It's so simple
23:02:57 <inlight> you mainly talking about white Ip address ?
23:03:00 <inlight> LOL
23:03:10 <inlight> blockchain doesn't care about white ip address
23:03:35 <aksion[m]> inlight: That's what you'd like to think. But the reality is that providers obey the authorities. And if the question is a lot of money, then no one and nothing will stop people if there is a simple opportunity to destroy.
23:04:09 <inlight> LOL
23:04:12 <aksion[m]> inlight: But it can't work only on gray ip addresses either
23:04:24 <inlight> what can't work?
23:04:38 <inlight> buy a server on hetzner cloud and run a node... i guarantee it will work
23:04:48 <inlight> otherwise i will pay for your wastage of money
23:07:16 <aksion[m]> inlight: This is again centralization, it's enough to pick up such a server and that's it. The blockchain can be safe only if each participant is a full node - when in order to kill the blockchain, everyone will have to be blocked. Now it is enough to block 0.0001% of the node participants to shit everyone (kill millions of money)
23:08:22 <inlight> yes
23:08:28 <inlight> if everyone run a server at home
23:08:34 <inlight> or on different providers
23:08:58 <inlight> then just buy an ip address and run server at home. i guarantee it will work, otherwise i will pay your money back
23:11:23 <aksion[m]> inlight: everyone should be like that, and not prove it to me alone.  Security only if millions do so. But they won't do that. 
23:11:23 <aksion[m]> Only if everyone on their device could keep a full-fledged node without a white IP, only then the blockchain is safe - because everyone cannot be disconnected from the Internet - it will be a scandal. And if you disable a dozen or a hundred, or even kill - the world will not notice, and the blockchain will die
23:11:46 <inlight> idiot
23:11:54 <inlight> you just need a ip, just buy and it will work
23:12:01 <inlight> don't speak bullshit shut up
23:12:16 <inlight> @binaryFate , please take a look above
23:14:06 <aksion[m]> <inlight> "then just buy an ip address..." <- Блять, иди на хуй тупорылый. Ему говорят, что нет у людей большинства белых IP адресов, а он еблан твердит свое - купи. Шары разуй, не дают белые IP адреса уже в большинстве случаев. Еблан, как ты не поймешь, что
23:14:06 <aksion[m]> безопасность возможна только если чтобы убить блокчейн надо было бы убить(отключить) всех клиентов. Хуесос ты тупроылый. Тебе одно  говорят, ты сука другое
23:15:15 <aksion[m]> inlight: Съебись нахуй хуесос тупорылый
23:16:12 <aksion[m]> Нахуя так дохуя хуйни нахуячил хуесос, расхуячивай нахуй
23:21:36 <aksion[m]> Переводи сука сам еблан, ему еще переводишь, а он хуесосина тупит
23:39:14 <aksion[m]> идите все на хуй, вы просто порвали мой мир хуесосы ебучие. Я был уверен, что за блокчейном будущее, а оказалось его так легко удить - просто отобрав у людей белые IP адреса. Ну и сосите хуи дальше со своей хуйнёй
23:48:07 <sech1> ну ты тупой