04:23:09 <nollied[m]> yeah, Seth For Privacy that’s a great read. by the way, what’s the reason for the 20 minute wait time after receiving monero?
04:25:06 <unscottable[m]> you mean the 10 confirmations?
04:53:02 <nollied[m]> i didn’t realize confirmations took so much time. does this time scale with the hash rate?
04:58:17 <chesterfield[m]> <nollied[m]> "i didn’t realize confirmations..." <- no, it stays the same.  it's just a privacy feature.  The more you use your wallet, the less this is an issue (you can still spend previous xmr you received) 
04:58:58 <chesterfield[m]> so if you receive 5 xmr, then another 5 xmr, then an hour later, you receive 1 xmr, you can spend those initial 10 right after receiving the 1
04:59:12 <chesterfield[m]> you have to wait 20 min to spend the 1
04:59:27 <chesterfield[m]> if that makes any sense
05:01:41 <chesterfield[m]> okay i'm 98% sure that the confirmations are a privacy feature- need confirmation on that
06:52:52 <ajs_[m]> nollied:  somewhat in the sense that there are more blocks coming in before the difficulty adjusts when there is spike in the hash rate
06:55:12 <ajs_[m]> transactions are locked for 10 blocks before they are available to spend
06:55:47 <nollied[m]> ah yes, and each block takes ~2mins to mine
06:56:03 <nollied[m]> why are they timelocked?
06:57:35 <ajs_[m]> When there is a reorg in divergent chains, there is a risk some transactions could be dropped
07:08:35 <ajs_[m]> also, i think there is a privacy benefit in the output selection algorithm if you wait a few blocks before spending new coins
12:18:41 <sethforprivacy> <ajs_[m]> "also, i think there is a privacy..." <- This is the core reason for the lock -- if you spend funds immediately after receiving them they would be much more easy to distinguish on-chain.
13:40:44 <DonaldIljazi[m]> Hello everyone. We made a CCS proposal in order to continue the work Greek localization.
13:40:44 <DonaldIljazi[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/296
13:45:18 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] oeAdgK01 opened pull request #296: Translation of Monero GUI Wallet, CLI Wallet, monero-site, Behavioral ...
13:45:18 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/296
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16:48:31 <monerobull[m]> Maleware blocking turned off, mullvad still blocks xmr-related websites
17:36:12 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Are you sure Mullvad is doing the blocking?
17:36:39 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Also which other Monero related sites does it block? I see minexmr.com is blocked on my end too but never had an issue with any other xmr related sites
17:53:44 <chesterfield[m]> Seth For Privacy:  this is definitely the next evolution of bitcoin maxi fud...: https://twitter.com/giacomozucco/status/1506629205408292870
17:54:13 <chesterfield[m]> might be a nice add to the fudbuster page
17:55:45 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> bro we gotta comply with the government bro even though bitcoin's whole manifesto is anti government control
18:00:08 <HellenWright[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Maleware blocking turned off..." <- No. They have sometimes DNS problems. You can try to use another privacy DNS server or simply try it later again. I had seen the same issues with mullvad, but no site that I use is blocked permanently.
18:00:50 <monerobull[m]> imagine being the ceo of a "privacy" coin and saying  "your privacy coin will just get banned because its simpler and cheaper"
18:01:25 <monerobull[m]> as if any regulator would want to deal with his bullshit optional privacy. unless its backdoored, of course 0.o
18:03:15 <monerobull[m]> HellenWright[m]: idk, kinda sus everything but the two biggest xmr pools works just fine
18:03:48 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> wait who is this giacomo guy?
18:04:16 <runfox[m]> bridgerton[m]: thwe guy who was trying to do tokens on lightning via a project called rgb
18:04:23 <runfox[m]> s/thwe/the/
18:04:31 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> I see
18:04:57 <chesterfield[m]> him and Tone Vayes did a nice piece on Monero last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ZfusSdyWA
18:05:17 <runfox[m]> he is one of the most well known btc maxis, it's pretty hilarious to see all the "cypherpunks" in bitcoin championing aml/kyc
18:05:52 <HellenWright[m]> monerobull[m]: When I had the issue njalla didn't work for me. That sucks. But now it is fine. I will keep an eye on it. It might be possible, that malware connects a lot to xmr pools. I'll check it out.
18:06:03 <DogeStandard[m]> runfox[m]: Bitcoiner just want all other coin to remain inferior to btc
18:06:24 <monerobull[m]> HellenWright[m]: i specifically turned the malware filter off though
18:13:46 <sethforprivacy> <chesterfield[m]> "Seth For Privacy:  this is..." <- He's an idiot, but his point is valid.
18:13:46 <sethforprivacy> Regulators have to go all or nothing with Monero -- either they allow it because it's fungible and works, or they make it all "illegal" because its fungibile and works.
18:13:46 <sethforprivacy> They can't do the piecemeal co-option they're doing with Bitcoin against Monero.
18:16:30 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> oh my god, that was him
18:16:39 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> chesterfield: I remember this lmao
18:18:56 <sethforprivacy> Lmao all you need to hear is at 1:44: https://youtu.be/Q_ZfusSdyWA?t=104
18:19:09 <sethforprivacy> Forgot about that shitshow
18:19:33 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> the whole thing strikes me as them fellating each other for an hour and a half
18:32:59 <mj-xmr[m]> Below the requested `tsqsim` benchmark:
18:32:59 <mj-xmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/tl5w1b/tsqsims_benchmark_new_tool_designed_for_monero
21:52:11 <Rucknium[m]> <sethforprivacy> "This is the core reason for..." <- For the record, I disagree with this. A properly-calibrated decoy selection algorithm should be able to conceal immediate spends. IMHO, the main reason to keep the 10 block lock is the possibility of chain reorgs. See
21:52:11 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/95
21:52:56 <sethforprivacy> Interesting! Will have to read up more.