00:34:08 <inlight> sethforprivacy: if my btc will get lost, i will hold you liable because i used your site. 
00:35:12 <inlight> bc1q52ta9l354gz2z3hfucl5ls9zd9waretmnm9lkz - address shown in swap.exe for btc-xmr atomic swap
00:41:40 <plowsof[m]> #comit-monero:matrix.org inlight 
00:44:07 <inlight> plowsof[m]: just wrote there
00:44:11 <inlight> lets see if someone replied
00:44:49 <plowsof[m]> #unstoppableswap:matrix.org worth a try too
00:46:47 <inlight> ok- wrote there, thanks
00:47:21 <inlight>  btc sent to  /dnsaddr/battery.commitcri.me - was the provider
00:49:33 <inlight> plowsof[m]: their channel is dead- barely any reply
00:55:46 <plowsof[m]> https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/bitcoin-monero-atomic-swaps/#what-to-do-if-the-swap-fails
00:56:10 <plowsof[m]> inlight: have you tried those steps
01:08:17 <onions> https://blog.thenewoil.org/why-to-care-about-privacy-after-years-of-sharing-data
01:09:23 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> guys the night is going to be rough check out Monero: https://www.reddit.com/r/place/?cx=1025&cy=492&edit=&fullscreen=&px=65 maybe give us some help, come to our r/place.
01:11:35 <onions> Will the /r/place ever stop?
01:12:07 <onions> We get it, cool Discord, reddit fellas. After the 19th post or comment about it, we heard loud and clear.
01:15:29 <sethforprivacy> If you're a Trezor user read this immediately:
01:15:29 <sethforprivacy> https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1510425457761693705?t=9VpRCgcwEVAboozaNaqIzA&s=19
01:15:29 <sethforprivacy> Massive breach.
01:41:51 <luigi1111w> is it real though
01:42:28 <onions> what is real?
01:42:41 <onions> some fools fooling around with pixels on reddit? totes.
01:45:48 <plowsof[m]> seems to be a phishing email / not real according to some comments ( i mean, how can you 'steal my crypto' if im using a hardware wallet )
01:48:18 <sethforprivacy> <luigi1111w> "is it real though" <- Yes, it must be (or their email list was hacked/shared and phished)
01:48:29 <sethforprivacy> I use a unique email alias for them which no one else could know/guess.
01:49:25 <plowsof[m]> im going to back up my seed on my iCloud and use the wallet migration service the email linked me to just to be safe 😛
02:01:17 <sethforprivacy> It's a phish
02:01:35 <sethforprivacy> But Trezors email list was hacked/leaked for sure. No way this email alias was gotten any other way.
02:12:41 <luigi1111w> yeah email list hack seems most likely answer
02:20:07 <sethforprivacy> <luigi1111w> "yeah email list hack seems..." <- Yes.
02:20:07 <sethforprivacy> More info and example of the phish:
02:20:07 <sethforprivacy> https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1510440372010377231?t=rfKt2WkIe1C3Qf-Ddrz54w&s=19
02:43:38 <philkode> do we have some templates for the monero place drawing?
02:44:17 <philkode> sorry i should prolly have scrolled up
08:28:54 <midipoet> sethforprivacy: there is a great way to help monitor emails that have been leaked. When signing up for accounts use Gmail (I know, bear with me). You can you + extensions on your Gmail account as aliases, to keep track of what account sign up emails get leaked. So for trezor you email sign up is normalemail+trezor⊙gc, which still redirects to normalemail⊙gc might work for other email services as well. 
08:28:54 <midipoet> That way, if that email ever gets leaked it's obvious it is from Trezor
08:32:03 <sech1> midipoet scammers know this too and remove +... part is easy
08:39:42 <inlight> hi in eedh elp
08:40:21 <inlight> plowsof[m]: 
08:40:29 <inlight> plowsof[m]: i tried  swap withdraw-btc 
08:40:43 <inlight> nad it published a transaction, which goes to same address check, not mine
08:41:10 <inlight> 46ab3c269c7c9443eec2fa30bf2820f0a1e160556e9ea674b8d00884aa159a8d
08:41:55 <xxfedexx[m]> what?
08:46:22 <inlight> oh i had put the address wrong- had to put my address there
08:51:20 <inlight> thanks, shall refund now!
08:51:24 <inlight> exit
12:17:55 <sethforprivacy> <midipoet> "Seth For Privacy: there is a..." <- I used a unique alias and that was one of the reasons I thought it was real, actually.
12:17:56 <sethforprivacy> The alias is only known by Trezor themselves (until this hack), and could not have been guessed etc.
12:18:06 <sethforprivacy> https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1510548489884815361?t=cM-1QdhZaqgQQlg2xdJWtw&s=19
14:09:03 <r4v3r23[m]> perfect example how mindset > tools when dealing with privacy/security
14:09:13 <r4v3r23[m]> anyone reading that email should have known its a scam straight away
14:09:50 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> indeed, tools alone will not help you if you log into facebook using tails
14:10:38 <r4v3r23[m]> bridgerton[m]: perfect example
14:10:49 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <Encore> indeed, tools alone will not help you if you log into facebook using tails
14:10:49 <r4v3r23[m]>  * another great example
14:11:00 <r4v3r23[m]> when people mindless follow guides/recommendations it gives them false sense of security
14:11:16 <r4v3r23[m]> giving a fuck about your own privacy isnt something you can teach some one on a podcast
14:11:30 <r4v3r23[m]> s/mindless/mindlessly/
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14:13:42 <r4v3r23[m]> this meme sums up everything that is wrong with the privacy/security scene in crypto
14:16:03 <orly_owl> https://i.redd.it/tumvi093t9r81.jpg
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17:26:44 <Kivojo[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "this meme sums up everything..." <- exactly, shred your data or hide it somewhere physically without anyone ever knowing it.
17:44:35 <plowsof[m]> netrik182: Do you know anything about the German/Spanish/Italian ccs 'work in progress' proposals that seem to be inactive ( without about 50XMR raised for them)
17:46:51 <justverify[m]> plowsof: I’d like to complete the CCS translation’s proposal in Italian which seems currently inactive
17:50:39 <plowsof[m]> That would be nice errm not sure of the process here, im assuming to contact luigi1111 and / or have it discussed in a community meeting. netrik182 is/was the 'coordinator' but.. https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/netrik-translation-coordination-2.html
18:21:01 <surgeon_[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "this meme sums up everything..." <- My favorite are the people who go even beyond that: biometric fingerprint of faceID or a yubikey instead of passwords. Really secure data you have there, would be a shame if I just held your phone in front of your face.
18:31:20 <selsta> plowsof[m]: there were some suspicious CCS months ago that used auto translate
18:31:31 <selsta> machine translations*
18:31:42 <selsta> are you talking about them?
18:33:41 <plowsof[m]> @selsta oooo 🍿 interesting,, i had no idea of this. i was just looking through the work in progress and noticed these translations seem inactive. seems that 1 person has volunteered to handle the italian translations 
18:34:15 <selsta> i think as a result we changed the rules for translation CCS
20:06:24 <slave_blocker> i sort of finished the translation from english to portuguese of ztm v2.
20:07:28 <slave_blocker> there is lots of i dont understand in the extensions part. Therefore the translation must be faulty in many parts...
20:08:02 <slave_blocker> I wanted to finish it before i explain the randomx and the bulletproofs.
20:08:36 <slave_blocker> tomorrow i will start my job so i will only have time on the weekends...
20:09:14 <slave_blocker> i only want to rant at the konferenko about slave blocks :) 
20:09:54 <slave_blocker> im from portugal and my mom does not let me visit her if i dont get that thing in the arm that makes clotty...
20:16:47 <unscottable[m]> smh
20:17:00 <unscottable[m]> she Trusts The Science 
20:26:08 <slave_blocker> https://github.com/slave-blocker/voider_2
20:46:10 <r4v3r23[m]> <Kivojo[m]> "exactly, shred your data or hide..." <- bingo. treat your digital shit like physical property
20:46:30 <r4v3r23[m]> keeping your shit offline beats any encryption out there
20:47:18 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> not really, physical theft is one of the scenarios where encryption helps a ton
20:47:31 <slave_blocker> thats why not all the blocks should be on the blockchain at all time just their hashes.
20:47:33 <r4v3r23[m]> not if you do it properly
20:47:53 <slave_blocker> big blockers, small blockers whatever!
20:47:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> I don't think you understood my sentence
20:49:45 <r4v3r23[m]> bridgerton[m]: i did. the same way you dont keep all your valuables in one place, you do the same with digital assests
20:50:26 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Encryption makes theft useless
20:50:36 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> if you encrypt whatever drive was stolen, the data is at least not in the wrong hands
20:51:43 <r4v3r23[m]> bridgerton[m]: see meme posted above
20:54:16 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> I don't see any
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21:03:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Not all encryption involves a password, and theft rarely ever follows up with kidnapping
21:04:05 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> if they find out the drive is encrypted they'll format it and resell the laptop or phone
21:06:50 <r4v3r23[m]> not if its a targetted attack
21:07:00 <r4v3r23[m]> aka they know your a crypto users
21:07:25 <r4v3r23[m]> s/users/user/
21:07:37 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> get better opsec in that case, not relevant to pure theft
21:07:48 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> also xkcd is gay
21:08:03 <r4v3r23[m]> if someone just steals your phone you have nothing to worry about regardless
21:08:06 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> don't use password based encryption
21:08:11 <r4v3r23[m]> thats not what were talking about here
21:08:20 <r4v3r23[m]> if they want whats in the phone youve got a problem
21:08:37 <r4v3r23[m]> like govt agencies or thugs 
21:08:40 <r4v3r23[m]> but im being redundant
21:08:54 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> are you saying encryption does not help in this scenario
21:09:01 <r4v3r23[m]> yes
21:09:23 <r4v3r23[m]> encryption doesnt protect against physical attacks
21:09:41 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Encryption does not protect against data destruction, yes
21:09:47 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> but it protects in data reveal
21:09:54 <r4v3r23[m]> no it doesnt
21:10:06 <r4v3r23[m]> not if i want to force you to decrypt it for me
21:10:11 <r4v3r23[m]> or i bash your head in
21:12:25 <r4v3r23[m]> funnily enough a bank is one of your safest bets in this situation
21:17:16 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> can't force me if I don't have the means to decrypt
21:17:24 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> if you kill me then no coin
21:18:41 <r4v3r23[m]> i dont think you understand how torture works
21:20:18 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> In that case, better not encrypt anything incase someone gives you ouchie
21:21:30 <r4v3r23[m]> again, refer to the meme
21:22:03 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Yes, refer to what I said
21:22:11 <r4v3r23[m]> with a gun to your head or to your family it wont matter what encrpyiton you used
21:22:25 <r4v3r23[m]> yeah youre just wrong
21:24:34 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Yes, purely relying on password based encryption is not good opsec against threat models that high value targets may face
21:24:38 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> which is not at all what I said
21:24:48 <r4v3r23[m]> any encryption
21:24:59 <r4v3r23[m]> youre options are give me what i want or suffer physical harm
21:25:09 <r4v3r23[m]> s/youre/your/
21:26:59 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> you are adding to my points
21:27:28 <r4v3r23[m]> you just think i am
21:28:13 <r4v3r23[m]> go ahead and write a guide on how to succesfully escape a crypto kidnap scenario free of harm using encryption
21:28:37 <r4v3r23[m]> with all your coins untouched
21:28:45 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> You are still not arguing against my point
21:29:12 <r4v3r23[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<Encore> In that case, better..." <- youre talking about encryption
21:29:35 <r4v3r23[m]> so either make your point or lets wrap this up
21:31:50 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> I already made my point, scroll up
21:32:26 <r4v3r23[m]> so were done here
21:33:53 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Very mature
22:58:32 <unscottable[m]> i mean you could make the same argument with lots of things..
22:58:32 <unscottable[m]>  why have a car key when someone can point a gun at your face and force you to give them your car key?
22:58:32 <unscottable[m]> the answer is simple, for the times when you need the door to be locked and the attacker isnt using the method mentioned above.
22:59:12 <unscottable[m]> why have locks on your front door to your house when someone can just wait for you to leave and force you to give up the house key at gunpoint.. and etc. why have locks on anything maaan. 
22:59:13 <unscottable[m]> its kind of a dumb argument. 
23:00:16 <unscottable[m]> you are both dumb because r4v3r23  presented the dumb argument and 
23:00:16 <unscottable[m]> Encore argued against it very poorly. 
23:10:41 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@unscottable:antioptic.com> i mean you could make the same argument with lots of things..... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/fee645c5bb0ac1d65b8e74ccc7e79ca8f964ca28)
23:10:47 <r4v3r23[m]>  * cars can have gps tracking and license plates/VINs
23:11:15 <r4v3r23[m]> theyre not fungible. now try again
23:21:27 <unscottable[m]> so? all of those can be interfered with or altered. cars are stolen and resold all the time. 
23:21:27 <unscottable[m]> my point is that the reason you have locks of any kind is that there are times when attackers are not using the method you described. 
23:22:52 <unscottable[m]> try tackling the broader point i made instead of trying to sound smart by pointing out that crypto and cars arent the same thing. 
23:23:16 <onions> imagine actually arguing with r4v3r23[m].
23:23:33 <onions> it's like having a conversation with an 13 years old kid from high school.
23:31:24 <unscottable[m]> the pretentiousness and dullness required to say "try again" after having not addressed the point I made at all. 
23:31:41 <unscottable[m]> <onions> "it's like having a conversation..." <- Yeah Id agree with that description. 
23:32:14 <onions> Just hit the ignore button.