01:17:40 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> just lerned Hal Finney was the second dev hired by Phil Zimmermann
01:17:52 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> phil is going to talk at monerotopia
05:04:04 <mj-xmr[m]> Perhaps an interesting discussion from a Free Market perspective:
05:04:04 <mj-xmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_15712
14:16:23 <Monerostandard[m> What is the best way to cold storage monero?
14:16:23 <Monerostandard[m> Do we have something like seedsigner of bitcoin?
15:06:08 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@winroom:matrix.org> What is the best way to cold storage monero?
15:06:08 <r4v3r23[m]> > Do we have something like seedsigner of bitcoin?
15:06:08 <r4v3r23[m]> probably not using something that screams "crypto!"
15:45:37 <han-shan[m]> > <@winroom:matrix.org> What is the best way to cold storage monero?
15:45:37 <han-shan[m]> > Do we have something like seedsigner of bitcoin?
15:45:37 <han-shan[m]> I wish
16:02:53 <kinghat[m]> <selsta> "kinghat: for monero? armv8 is..." <- thanks selsta. ya i have a new vps that only gives me the info of "aarch64" but i found they are using "Ampere Altra" cpus which are armv8.2.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/23fa6e3b15ec472c786e89af4beac8456c3d2143)
16:03:09 <kinghat[m]> s///
16:06:32 <kinghat[m]> is there a signifier for armv8 to tell if its 32 or 64bit? or does it matter? like can aarch64 run both 32 and 64 armv8 apps?
16:12:19 <brick> Hello, I'm currently having trouble verifying how ring signatures work. I'm currently reading the referenced paper "Traceable Ring Signature" by Fujisaki and Suzuki. But I'm stuck on the signing protocol (page 10) on the step 4 which picks random z_j, c_j \in Z_q on step 4.b but later discards z_j when generating z_i
16:17:15 <brick> And also how is power to a fraction  works on multiplicative group elements? (Page 10, step 1 on Signing protocol)
16:17:38 <brick> :\
16:19:32 <merope> brick #monero-research-lounge is where you will most likely get a good answer
16:21:53 <brick> merope, thanks
16:24:12 <orly_owl> lots of monero channels
16:29:39 <snex> cold storage? why not use... a deck of cards?
16:33:51 * demitasse[m] uploaded an image: (79KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mavMMnCKUvcSXRZXyESRtsFz/oreally.jpg >
16:41:53 <sech1> now that's a meme I haven't seen in a long time... a long time...
16:45:41 * orly_owl gives the meme a good wipe down with a rag and hangs it on the wall
16:45:44 <orly_owl> lovely
16:46:29 <demitasse[m]> couldn't resist
17:46:02 <demitasse[m]> More financial censorship
17:46:02 <demitasse[m]> https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/7/22965605/coinbase-russian-sanctions-address-blocking
17:53:42 <selsta> kinghat[m]: i think there is 32bit compatibility, not sure
18:47:23 <kinghat[m]> 👌
19:08:29 <reeemuru[m]> <sethforprivacy> "(Obviously someone else can also..." <- I'm taking a look at this now, unless someone beats me to it. Will shoot a pr when done
19:24:51 <sethforprivacy> <reeemuru[m]> "I'm taking a look at this now..." <- Awesome!
19:28:43 <xxfedexx[m]> I think I found a typo in seth's blog:
19:28:43 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero is, in fact, the most scalable cryptocurrency when used privately, and even when compared with default, transparent Bitcoin usage, **it’s** transactions are only ~3-4x the size of Bitcoin transactions today. Monero’s transactions were much larger in the past, but the Monero community, researchers, and developers have worked hard to improve the efficiency of Monero, bringing transactions down from ~13kb when RingCT
19:28:43 <xxfedexx[m]> was first introduced to ~1.4kb today.
19:28:43 <xxfedexx[m]> Doesn't `it's` mean it is? If I am correct then you might want to correct the error.
19:28:50 <xxfedexx[m]>  * I think I found a typo in seth's blog:
19:28:50 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero is, in fact, the most scalable cryptocurrency when used privately, and even when compared with default, transparent Bitcoin usage, **it’s** transactions are only ~3-4x the size of Bitcoin transactions today. Monero’s transactions were much larger in the past, but the Monero community, researchers, and developers have worked hard to improve the efficiency of Monero, bringing transactions down from ~13kb when RingCT
19:28:50 <xxfedexx[m]> was first introduced to ~1.4kb today.
19:28:50 <xxfedexx[m]> Doesn't `it's` mean it is? If I am correct then you might want to correct the error.
19:28:58 <xxfedexx[m]>  * I think I found a typo in seth's blog:
19:28:58 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero is, in fact, the most scalable cryptocurrency when used privately, and even when compared with default, transparent Bitcoin usage, **it’s** transactions are only ~3-4x the size of Bitcoin transactions today. Monero’s transactions were much larger in the past, but the Monero community, researchers, and developers have worked hard to improve the efficiency of Monero, bringing transactions down from ~13kb when RingCT
19:28:58 <xxfedexx[m]> was first introduced to ~1.4kb today.
19:28:58 <xxfedexx[m]> Doesn't `it's` mean it is? If I am correct then you might want to correct the error.
19:29:29 <xxfedexx[m]>  * I think I found a typo in seth's blog:
19:29:29 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero is, in fact, the most scalable cryptocurrency when used privately, and even when compared with default, transparent Bitcoin usage, **it’s** transactions are only ~3-4x the size of Bitcoin transactions today. Monero’s transactions were much larger in the past, but the Monero community, researchers, and developers have worked hard to improve the efficiency of Monero, bringing transactions down from ~13kb when RingCT
19:29:29 <xxfedexx[m]> was first introduced to ~1.4kb today.
19:29:29 <xxfedexx[m]> Doesn't `it's` mean it is? If I am not wrong then you might want to correct the error.
19:30:03 <xxfedexx[m]> The same error is repeated later:
19:30:15 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero’s hard-forks enable it to constantly improve and adapt **it’s** privacy protocol (among other things) to stay ahead in the privacy arms race
19:30:45 <xxfedexx[m]> And later again:
19:30:45 <xxfedexx[m]> > Monero’s approach to mining is almost entirely unique in the cryptocurrency world, as **it’s** community has maintained a core ethos of ASIC-resistance from the inception of the project.
20:01:03 <sethforprivacy> it's can also be possessive, not just a conjunction or a plural.
20:01:23 <sethforprivacy>  * i"t's" can also be possessive, not just a conjunction or a plural.
20:01:29 <sethforprivacy>  * "It's" can also be possessive, not just a conjunction or a plural.
20:01:55 <sethforprivacy>  * "It's" can also be possessive, not just a contraction or a plural.
20:02:30 <sethforprivacy> Good catch, seems I didn't pay attention in English class well enough 🙂
20:03:11 <snex> my iphone is so intelligent that it knows which version of "its" is grammatically correct, and will always use the wrong one to make me look stupid
20:06:46 <sethforprivacy> lol
20:07:19 <sethforprivacy> Thanks xxfedexx, fixed all occurrences here: https://github.com/sethforprivacy/sethforprivacy.com/commit/4de4088718577a18e76169a13bc700d513fe98de
20:07:55 <xxfedexx[m]> <sethforprivacy> "Good catch, seems I didn't pay..." <- I think it's harder to see for native English speakers
20:08:14 <xxfedexx[m]> * to see that error for native
20:08:29 <sethforprivacy> I'll use that excuse 😅
20:13:18 <surgeon_[m]> > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> Perhaps an interesting discussion from a Free Market perspective:
20:13:18 <surgeon_[m]> > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_15712
20:13:18 <surgeon_[m]> I love this idea
20:14:06 <Kivojo[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "not if you do it properly" <- multi-layer security plan sometimes worth the hassle