02:48:18 <MikeNarilaw[m]> hi, is there any simple guide or text that would describe the anonimity model for monero? e.g I send my money from a coinbase account to my monero wallet, is that anonymous? do I need to create new input wallets for every transaction? can I then just send it and expect anonimity or do I need to do something extra?
02:53:08 <nioc> well coinbase knows all the amount you withdraw so for withdrawing I don't know that it matters if you use a different address   
02:53:11 <nioc> the address is not searchable on the blockchain
02:54:40 <MikeNarilaw[m]> so then coinbase knows I sent money somewhere but not to what address, and then when I send money it also does not matter from which address I send it?
02:55:47 <MikeNarilaw[m]> or the gui manages that
02:55:50 <nioc> basically
02:56:00 <MikeNarilaw[m]> cool thanks
02:57:01 <nioc> people recommend moving your withdrawals to another wallet as your address is known to CB  
02:58:13 <nioc> if you use that address with someone else and they talk to CB then more info is known
06:57:45 <zartan[m]> <demitasse[m]> "atomic swaps are trustless swaps..." <- thank you
14:04:20 <Inge> https://twitter.com/molly0xFFF/status/1513151694812717057
14:09:15 <MikeNarilaw[m]> what does off-ramp mean?
14:11:33 <plowsof[m]> a place where you can exchange it for fiat or another crypto 
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14:25:12 <lockhead[m]> lol
14:26:08 <onions> lockhead[m]: what is so funny?
14:26:16 <lockhead[m]> wikipedia editor
14:26:22 <lockhead[m]> and pronouns in bio
14:26:46 <onions> lockhead[m]: are you declaring you are against our pronouns, sir?
14:27:04 <lockhead[m]> very funny
14:27:05 <onions> where is your inclusivity and manners?
14:27:12 <lockhead[m]> are you assuming my gender?
14:27:31 <onions> I am always assuming people's genders. Are you always assuming people's pronouns?
14:28:10 <onions> I will have to let you know I am a licensed wikipedia editor as well. I find your "lol" message offensive.
14:28:18 <lockhead[m]> wait isn't that the same thing
14:28:28 <onions> Is it?
14:28:49 <lockhead[m]> I don't even know, I don't keep up
14:28:55 <onions> One assumes you have a dong or a vagina in your pants, the other misaddresses people by using their wrong set of pronouns.
14:29:07 <onions> I believe there's a startling difference between both fringe endeavors, sir.
14:29:17 <lockhead[m]> nono, gender is irrelevant to biological sex 
14:29:41 <onions> I was born with a vagina but I identify as a he/him and went under the knife. I kept the receipt.
14:29:51 <onions> Therefore there is no "biological sex" anymore.
14:30:04 <onions> Please address me as Ms. onions moving forward or I will be bringing you to court.
14:30:27 <lockhead[m]> Ms. me with that 
14:30:35 <onions> lol.
14:51:52 <feelslike127001[> Never ever would imagine to read such a dialogue in a monero chat 😅
14:52:49 <orly_owl> feelslike127001[: sssh, let it die...
16:16:04 <demitasse[m]> I was a bitcoin maxi turned monero maxi ama
16:21:05 <orly_owl> how long is your hair
16:21:05 <onions> demitasse[m]: Wrong move. Don't become a maxi of any of these shitcoins.
16:21:11 <onions> That's my question. :)
16:21:42 <demitasse[m]> orly_owl: buzz cut short
16:21:50 <orly_owl> ok
16:22:47 <demitasse[m]> onions: i just switched being a maxi from one shitcoin to another, so what's to prevent me from doing it again?
16:22:59 <onions> demitasse[m]: I don't know. You tell us, Einstein.
16:23:10 <orly_owl> nothing
16:26:49 <demitasse[m]> Ok so how is it the wrong move to choose one currency over another?
16:27:54 <demitasse[m]> I could see your point if i just chose to announce that i went all in on doge because elon musk but twitter
16:28:15 <demitasse[m]> s/but/bought/
16:28:16 <orly_owl> i use camel teeth as currency
16:28:19 <onions> Ok cool thx.
16:28:23 <orly_owl> lucritive
16:41:02 <merope> The point is not the coin, it's the whole maximalism attitude
16:44:00 <demitasse[m]> I think there has to be one global standard for value online as far as a value transfer protocol, and it is now pretty apparent that bitcoin has failed and there is only one other actual option for freedom money and that is xmr
16:45:28 <orly_owl> hawala? ;)
16:50:18 <demitasse[m]> In my opinion, all the bitcoin maxi arguments for bitcoin now apply to xmr because xmr actually fulfills this role, while bitcoin does not anymore
16:50:56 <feelslike127001[> <demitasse[m]> "I think there has to be one..." <- The thing is , you don't need money freedom if you are white and fluffy.  And thus anonymous coins will be fought against everywhere (. 
16:50:58 <nakhy[m]> demitasse[m]: Seth For Privacy: correct
16:51:00 <orly_owl> people that promote bitcoin endlessly just because they like it are annoying
16:51:42 <monerobull[m]> I'm a xmr maxi but that just means I'm too stubborn to buy ETH or btc
16:51:49 <onions> demitasse[m]: therefore let's just copy and paste all BTC maximalism arguments, do a s/bitcoin/monero and call it a day!
16:52:00 <onions> Monero so best! Woo-hoo! \o/
16:52:27 <feelslike127001[> Btc is essentially crypto gold 
16:52:27 <feelslike127001[> Usdt is very useful for capital transfer.
16:52:27 <feelslike127001[> Xmr is for anonymous payments 
16:52:34 <onions> feelslike127001[: What if I am brown and fluffy. Do I need freedom money, or do I need to blacken my skin colour some more before?
16:52:44 <orly_owl> onions: now put that on a piece of wood
16:52:49 <orly_owl> and sell it as monero merch
16:52:57 <demitasse[m]> It is not that, it is the fact that monero is actually peer to peer digital cash like the bitcoin whitepaper says
16:52:58 <onions> <feelslike127001[> Btc is essentially crypto gold
16:52:58 <onions> How can it be "crypto gold" if it is not "fungible"?
16:53:13 <onions> <demitasse[m]> It is not that, it is the fact that monero is actually peer to peer digital cash like the bitcoin whitepaper says
16:53:13 <onions> Is that objective, or is that subjective?
16:53:55 <demitasse[m]> I would says objective because the dark web transition to xmr
16:54:12 <onions> Ah, "you would say", but it is not subjective. OK.
16:54:17 <monerobull[m]> hydra blown tf out
16:54:22 <orly_owl> finally the drug dealers caught on
16:54:34 <feelslike127001[> Who actually cares what white paper says ). The truth is in how people use it not what the developers wanted it to be
16:54:37 <demitasse[m]> The market has spoken no matter what i says
16:54:51 <onions> "The market has spoken." OK.
16:55:03 <monerobull[m]> feelslike127001[: yeah bit people dont use bitcoin outside of speculation
16:55:11 <monerobull[m]> * yeah but people dont use bitcoin outside of speculation
16:55:25 <demitasse[m]> How else would you define the phenomenon of people choosing the better money?
16:55:49 <feelslike127001[> Many use it to store wealth 
16:56:20 <monerobull[m]> "store wealth" down 5% this week
16:56:34 <orly_owl> keep your wealth in meth
16:56:41 <feelslike127001[> Well we talk about 10 years perspective 
16:56:47 <feelslike127001[> s/we/i/
16:57:11 <monerobull[m]> noone 10 years ago thought they will "store their wealth" in bitcoin
16:57:43 <orly_owl> it was either buying bitcoin 10 years ago or writing temple os
16:57:47 <monerobull[m]> only because the number went up, doesn't mean baseless "store of value " meme becomes true
16:57:51 <orly_owl> hint bitcoin was the profitable option
16:59:12 <monerobull[m]> btw, Monero up 3% today. i guess we can claim to be a digital gold store of value 
17:00:29 <demitasse[m]> After the tail emissions monero's stock to flow ratio will out compete gold regardless of the menial inflation, which gold also has
17:02:00 <monerobull[m]> with the difference being our inflation is set in code
17:02:28 <onions> Imagine! NgU after tail emission.
17:02:30 <monerobull[m]> there could always be a massive gold asteroid hitting earth, making golds inflation 10x
17:02:44 <onions> Tail emission hit in a month or three and then Monero to 490M.
17:03:13 <orly_owl> 490M you say? hmmmmm
17:03:38 <onions> Beats gold, beats bitcoin, beats litecoin and beats the baptist coin we hand to our pastors every day we go to church. Non-brainer. All in XMR as of today. Thanks for your powerful knowledge.
17:03:43 <demitasse[m]> It isn't about price, it is about actually making uncensored transactions and hiding your wealth from confiscation
17:03:52 <monerobull[m]> little intense, I always loved the 3 million by 2030 chart
17:04:10 <onions> I actually have uncensored txs. and protect my wealth from confiscation with bitcoin. Thanks.
17:05:10 <orly_owl> onions: why not undeclared gold? ;)
17:05:22 <orly_owl> i wont tell anyone
17:06:26 <demitasse[m]> onions: I am cool on taintcoin, good luck though
17:06:55 <onions> demitasse[m]: Yeah. God forbid we ever touch such "surveillance" coins. I will need all of the "good luck" I can get, indeed.
17:07:22 <onions> Let me go scoop some XMR on Kraken after my 3-angled selfie KYC/AML verification process gives me the green light.
17:09:18 <orly_owl> rectum.jpg
17:09:27 <feelslike127001[> <monerobull[m]> "there could always be a massive..." <- That's just not true)
19:47:00 <snex>  https://twitter.com/molly0xFFF/status/1513151694812717057 > if you care about off-ramping, you dont get crypto
19:50:11 <snex> "digital gold" always makes me laf. can you make "digital circuits" or "digital jewelry" out of your "digital gold?"
21:44:39 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> agree
21:44:49 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> inb4 NFT necklace
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22:40:31 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> that one is nice