00:15:13 <escapethe3ra[m]> https://www.monero.observer/monero-dev-activity-report-week-16-2022/
02:02:37 <cheekyleeks> Hi.
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05:55:48 <mj-xmr[m]> Good luck!
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09:57:10 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> i think Multisig is a bit broken or now, we need to wait until next hardfork i think.
09:57:45 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> Introducing multicig support in a wallet would be great though
09:58:16 <bridgerton[m]> <ian.niculescu> Maybe you should have a talk in the dev channel or a talk with the featherwallet guys
10:41:59 <Kivojo[m]> What should we do about Haveno and Zcash?
10:47:49 <GuruJi[m]> <Kivojo[m]> "What should we do about Haveno..." <- Nothing. We have to convince the Haveno team to prioritize the stablecoins instead of the ztrash. But on the other side, Haveno is a DEX and the more coins listed, the more traffic, so no issue
10:47:50 <GuruJi[m]> This Includes Zcash or any other shit, even apecoin or whatever
10:48:52 <Kivojo[m]> GuruJi[m]: Sad
10:48:52 <Kivojo[m]> I won't ever pay for something off hand after this
10:49:50 <spacekitty420[m4> arent "stablecoins" a myth tho? like they could literally actually literally go to $0 at any time, tether for example paid their way out off the audits, its literally all actual scams
10:59:34 <Kivojo[m]> <spacekitty420[m4> "arent "stablecoins" a myth tho..." <- Even legit stablecoins are a myth too, it all depends on the amount of faith you have on national currencies 
10:59:34 <Kivojo[m]> In that situation, gold and silver pegged stablecoins seem reasonable
11:04:07 <GuruJi[m]> > <@kivojo:agoradesk.com> Even legit stablecoins are a myth too, it all depends on the amount of faith you have on national currencies 
11:04:07 <GuruJi[m]> > In that situation, gold and silver pegged stablecoins seem reasonable
11:04:07 <GuruJi[m]> This is true, but the other way round. Value of everything is based on trust, including XMR. Go to zero means 100% loss of trust.
11:04:07 <GuruJi[m]> I understand the stablecoins as semi hedge tools against the volatility of XMR. This we really need 
11:05:47 <spacekitty420[m4> what happened to that meteorite or whatever nasa or cant remember who found orbiting nearby?
11:05:47 <spacekitty420[m4> like it had something like quadrillion worth of gold/other minerals at current price (which if were to being mined then that would make the gold and those other mineral's prices going down thousands of times or something of what is currently worth)
11:44:57 <bridgerton[m]> <User145784> We actually provide our own multichain multisig wallet, I was curious if this is interesting for the community, hence we can allocate our development resources to provide such solution
11:45:22 <bridgerton[m]> * such solution. But thanks for the pit, i'll ping in dev chat
11:47:45 <merope> bridgerton[m]: If it's going to be open source, then bring it!
11:49:08 <merope> <bridgerton[m]> "<ian.niculescu> i think Multisig..." <- It's only broken in the sense that a malicious person can mess with the initial setup, so for the time being you should avoid creating multisig wallets with people you don't trust
11:49:46 <merope> But other than that, multisig works fine (as proven by the fact that people were using it just fine before the bug was spotted)
11:51:11 <merope> <spacekitty420[m4> "arent "stablecoins" a myth tho..." <- They're not a myth, but they intrinsically require trust in the company/entity that creates them. Can't have a stablecoin without a third party stepping in and "enforcing" that coin's target price
11:52:32 <merope> Which makes them neither trustless nor decentralized
12:20:05 <midipoet> since when did Kraken Europe deactivate XMR deposits? 
12:20:12 <midipoet> Or did I miss that completely?!
12:22:13 <plowsof[m]> I only know about them disabling it for United Kingdom
12:22:38 <midipoet> The market is still open, just the deposit functionality is removed
12:23:25 <midipoet> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Gn8q3ds4/Screenshot%202022-04-25%20at%2013.23.09.png
12:23:41 <midipoet> as you can see, i am ETH rich ;-)
12:26:31 <nikg83[m]> midipoet: Forced hodl 😂, just raise a support ticket and see what’s going on. I can see deposit in non eu account on mobile app atleast.
12:27:38 <plowsof[m]> midipoet: if eth 3x's you might have enough to pay the withdrawal fee some day 😁
12:29:11 <midipoet> nikg83[m]: am on support chat at the moment 
12:30:31 <plowsof[m]> Hello midipoet, thank you for contacting support. Due to system maintenance some crypto currency deposits are disabled. Thank you for raising the issue. we will get back to you with any further updates, have a nice day. 
12:35:38 <midipoet> no, it is actually related to the UK ban it seems. Might have registered my account when I was in Northern Ireland, years ago. Probably haven't sold any XMR since then, so never noticed. Crisis averted.
12:39:44 <plowsof[m]> Our apologies midipoet - thank you for clarifying the situation. We've locked your entire account now until you can KYC your new location. Have a nice day!
12:41:11 <midipoet> that is exactly what will happen
12:41:39 <midipoet> i am already getting a "i am speaking to a colleague about this" 
12:42:08 <plowsof[m]> Sometimes its better not to ask 😛
12:43:20 <midipoet> Though I have all European bank accounts tied to the account, and always have done, as far as I remember. So a little strange 
12:46:32 <plowsof[m]> Multiple bank accounts ✅ Multiple locations registered ✅ accesses the account from multiple countries ✅ Uses Monero ✅ Brb calling Interpol 
12:47:27 <midipoet> the customer support person is called Columbo. Detective is on the case!
13:34:19 <r4v3r23[m]> said it before, ill say it again
13:34:19 <r4v3r23[m]> haveno is a shitshow
13:34:33 <r4v3r23[m]> bUt iT hAsEnT eVeN lAuNcHed yEt!!!
13:38:04 <r4v3r23[m]> <Kivojo[m]> "What should we do about Haveno..." <- abondon and fork
13:38:50 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> man who would've seen that coming with erciccione
13:38:59 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> he totally didn't have the tendencies
13:50:35 <r4v3r23[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<Encore> man who would've seen..." <- i called it from the start, mentioned it in the CCS proposals
14:20:47 <bridgerton[m]> <Encore> Indeed, I was being sarcastic r4v3r23
14:26:36 <merope> Stop acting like crybabies, nobody's forcing you to buy zec. It was already there in Bisq's code, so they kept. Big whoop
14:26:47 <merope> * they kept it. Big
14:27:25 <merope> So what if there's gonna be an extra xmr-zec pair?
14:29:59 <r4v3r23[m]> ztrash isnt the problem
14:30:09 <r4v3r23[m]> its just the latest in a series of horrible decisions
14:30:39 <merope> Again: what "decision"? It was already there
14:32:09 <merope> r4v3r23[m]: You're right about this though: zcash is not the problem. It's the cringy childish attitude and kneejerk reaction displayed by many members of the community
14:32:40 <r4v3r23[m]> merope: if by members of the communtiy you mean ericcommie et al then yeah
14:33:03 <r4v3r23[m]> penumbra ftw
14:33:39 <merope> > ztrash
14:33:39 <merope> > ericommie
14:33:39 <merope> Yes, I'm sure *he's* the child here
14:33:48 <r4v3r23[m]> then we agree
14:34:32 <merope> Just fyi, playing dumb to obvious sarcasm does not make you look smart
14:35:11 <r4v3r23[m]> i dont need to look smart. i saw this coming a mile away and tried to warn others
14:36:10 <r4v3r23[m]> haveno didnt get any of my picos
14:36:14 <merope> Then I feel obligated to warn you that the sky turns dark at night. But don't worry, it's gonna be pretty blue tomorrow
14:37:03 <merope> r4v3r23[m]: You sure showed them!
14:40:56 <plowsof[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ cryptogrampy ccs put forward for funding 🚀
15:03:43 <nioc> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-5.html
15:04:02 <nioc> funding for selsta
15:05:36 <selsta> w0w
15:11:31 <r4v3r23[m]> <nioc> "https://ccs.getmonero.org/..." <- thanks
16:01:16 <cryptogrampy[m]> <plowsof[m]> "https://ccs.getmonero.org/..." <- My heart cant handle this joy
17:02:01 <xmr-ack[m]> <cryptogrampy[m]> "My heart cant handle this joy" <- donated!
20:51:49 <monerobull[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/315
21:14:34 <plowsof[m]> shall we take another cut of the translation coordinator ccs funds luigi1111?  , maybe monerobull could tackle the abandoned? WiP german translation proposal also 
21:14:44 <midipoet> plowsof[m]: was linked to confusion over Northern/Republic of Ireland. Probably not the first time. Crisis averted, and back to normal. 
21:16:56 <luigi1111w> plowsof[m] I'm not sure which funds you mean
21:17:05 <monerobull[m]> plowsof[m]: i didnt want to take on too much for my first time so i made the proposal only for smsm for now
21:17:53 <monerobull[m]> but if everything goes smoothly id be more than happy to finish all the incomplete german translations 
21:18:36 <plowsof[m]> just don't disapear for 2 years and you are already better than the competition 
21:20:27 <monerobull[m]> you got it.
21:27:19 <luigi1111w> is this netrik182 ?
21:27:28 <plowsof[m]> yes 
21:27:29 <luigi1111w> or a special fund for translators
21:27:43 <plowsof[m]> the netrik one
21:27:46 <luigi1111w> he he went poof?
21:27:50 <luigi1111w> he he he
21:28:03 <plowsof[m]> indeed, AWOL!
21:28:34 <luigi1111w> nice!
21:28:44 <luigi1111w> we have other funds that can be in a fund btw
21:28:59 <luigi1111w> I would rather find another coordinator to take over those particular funds
21:29:28 <luigi1111w> I need to go see how much is left in the tx fund. It was a soft thing anyway, from those super low quality props last year
21:31:35 <plowsof[m]> ohh i see, i will put my name in the hat for 'debt collector' / translation coordinator 
21:35:23 <monerobull[m]> luigi1111w: proposed something in the comments of the proposal
21:37:44 <luigi1111w> debt collector means you collect ccs funds? lol
21:38:04 <plowsof[m]> Im coming to re-poses CCS funds and put them into the hands of their rightful owners!
21:39:52 <luigi1111w> do you wanna be translation coordinator? ^_^
21:40:16 <plowsof[m]> Yeah sounds good :) 
21:41:32 <monerobull[m]> for what language?
21:41:58 <monerobull[m]> because if im going to one-man-army all of german i wont need a coordinator ;)
21:44:59 <plowsof[m]> The language of 'get er done' - also - strike 1 monerobull. see me in my office after work - public disobedience will not be tolerated to your coordinator 
21:45:44 <monerobull[m]> i will not accept these working conditions, im going to complain to HR
21:46:37 <luigi1111w> coordinator is not for a language, it's for all languages
21:46:47 <luigi1111w> basically make stuff happen, get important things translated
21:46:59 <luigi1111w> maybe tell people that's not important and we don't wanna pay you to translate that
21:49:30 <luigi1111w> monerobull[m] do you have any previous tx work? we have a rule about tx ccses since the days of yore when spam ruled that land (pre newsletter fun of today)
21:49:30 <cryptogrampy[m]> Can anyone tell me how much xmr I owe Google for all GetMonero translations I've submitted using their translator? 
21:49:37 <cheekyleeks> lol.
21:49:41 <cheekyleeks> freaking grampy.
21:49:48 <luigi1111w> I like this grampy dude
21:49:52 <luigi1111w> I heard he has a ccs too
21:49:54 <cheekyleeks> he is great. i like him.
21:50:07 <cheekyleeks> yeah. move that shit to funding required by tomorrow or else..............
21:50:15 <cheekyleeks> you know the else...........
21:50:26 <monerobull[m]> it already is thouh
21:51:18 <monerobull[m]> luigi1111w: Ive translated a 100 page cookbook as a gift once but nothing published :P
21:52:49 <monerobull[m]> I feel like this is a little different than other translation proposals since the original ccs looks very much abandoned and I would be willing to just take it over 
21:56:58 <luigi1111w> oh you mean the wobole one, not your own
21:57:33 <monerobull[m]> yeah, i could just take that over if the community approves of it
21:57:48 <luigi1111w> for that the steps are basically
21:58:10 <luigi1111w> try to contact the proposer and see if it's really abandoned (if no success then we assume yes after a period of time)
21:58:23 <luigi1111w> do the work and get it approved/reviewed (translation work)
21:58:29 <luigi1111w> get paid
21:59:03 <monerobull[m]> cant the original proposer just say they completed it and cause a bunch of drama that way
21:59:38 <monerobull[m]> i dont want to end up like noot fightig over the bounty
21:59:47 <luigi1111w> how would they say that?
22:00:13 <luigi1111w> I guess it depends on the platform
22:00:34 <plowsof[m]> if contact is attempted, and they are AWOL after x weeks - after already not doing any of their ccs - its fair game i guess 
22:02:51 <luigi1111w> wobole was a long time com member iirc, someone probably knows him
22:05:30 <monerobull[m]> his last contribution to Sound Money Safe Mode was 3 months ago but he barely made any progress since the ccs was funded about a year ago. technically you could say hes working on it :/
22:08:30 <monerobull[m]> " I am going to start working on the translations immediately, and I believe to finish both milestones within a maximum of two months." hmmmmmmmmmmm
22:09:35 <luigi1111w> a weakness of a loose system for sure
22:11:56 <monerobull[m]> he did move to funding on the grounds of having a finished translation within 2 months. i would say he doesn't have the right to complain if someone else takes over nearly a year later after making close to no progress
22:27:24 <luigi1111w> anyway try to make contact first
22:30:27 <monerobull[m]> does anyone in here have an idea on how to reach wobole?
22:32:59 <monerobull[m]> uh wtf
22:33:02 <monerobull[m]> "after way too much time I finally finished the translations of "Sound Money, Safe Mode" and "Monero Means Money". I deeply apologize for the huge delay, this shouldn't have happened, yet it did. To try to make up for this, I'll take a look at the German translation of the Website to review or rather translate the suggestions/pending strings.
22:33:02 <monerobull[m]> If any German speakers out there read this - the suggestions I made still need to be reviewed and I'm happy about everyone who takes a look at them.
22:33:02 <monerobull[m]> A huge thanks to everybody who contributed to this proposal!"
22:34:48 <monerobull[m]> can someone please tell me im not a total retard who just doesnt understand the translation site?
22:35:31 <monerobull[m]> because to me it very much looks like the proposed changes are literally just the english text
22:36:29 <monerobull[m]> oh shit its actually all translated
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22:39:04 <monerobull[m]> Why is it like this
22:41:23 <merope> Are you using google chrome with the auto-translate feature enabled? 🤣
22:42:30 <monerobull[m]> no, seems like he made all those changes but they are only shown when you click on it and even then it says translation is identical to original
22:47:54 <monerobull[m]> what a waste of time. closed my proposal. lets hope whoever is responsible applies the translations Wobole made and his css may finally be paid out
22:58:30 <plowsof[m]> Nice work monerobull, i resign, you are now the coordinator 
23:03:14 <monerobull[m]> plowsof[m]: When do i get the keys to the ccs wallet?
23:03:55 <cryptogrampy[m]> <monerobull[m]> "what a waste of time. closed..." <- you passed the test
23:04:48 <monerobull[m]> Do i get a salary as coordinator 0.o
23:05:21 <cryptogrampy[m]> Will discuss with the board later this week
23:05:55 <monerobull[m]> Let's hope the CEO ((fluffy)) is there to sign off on the decision
23:05:58 <cryptogrampy[m]> I PM'd my monero address
23:06:23 <cryptogrampy[m]> monerobull[m]: Yeah, he typically approves most bills that get 80% support
23:45:34 <plowsof[m]> It's been a while since we had a community meeting (2+ months) - over the next few days we can decide a time / date for when one can take place. I have proposed this Sunday @ 18:00 UTC (a day after the MoneroKon events meeting, and the previous meeting took place on a Sunday to) I'll do my best to moderate / gather topics , so throw them at me if any come to mind https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/695