01:53:29 <pigeons[m]> matrix.monero.social we be getting updates and a restart, interruption should be less than 15 minutes
02:04:45 <pigeons[m]> done
06:37:01 <ceoofdogenero[m]> Do we have inflation bug? Xmr price is dumping sharply
06:41:49 <rbrunner> Lots of other coins also "dumping sharply" as can be seen e.g. on CoinMarketCap. Thus inflation bugs all around :)
06:43:20 <unscottable[m]> stonks are going down too 
06:43:32 <TimeWalker[m]> Please Monero CEO fix the price!!!
06:43:49 <ceoofdogenero[m]> We just recently had big bank run
07:24:48 <nikg83[m]> <ceoofdogenero[m]> "Do we have inflation bug? Xmr..." <- Only bug is that xmr is used to buy things & vendors sell for Fiat, rest for ngu tech coins are just for holding 
09:04:12 <faceless333[m]> How to pay with monero from android?
09:10:10 <sech1> Install Monerujo
09:24:54 <orly_owl> ^
16:39:17 <cryptogrampy[m]> Ah! my CCS is Funded!  Thank you all 🫂❤️ .  I Excited to get a preview of this into your hands as soon as I can.  
16:42:19 <xmrscott[m]> Why would you want to run software that pegs your CPU on the same device responsible for making sure you have internet?
16:44:18 <cryptogrampy[m]> who's pegging who
16:44:39 <monerobull[m]> Grampy this isn't one of the 4chan levels
16:45:05 <w[m]> Whoosh
16:45:05 <w[m]> xmrscott @xmrscott:monero.social: way over my head.
16:45:05 <w[m]> Eli5? Lololol
16:47:24 <xmrscott[m]> XMRig mines taking up CPU bandwidth. OpenWRT is a FOSS OS that's ran on routers, meaning they're asking if anyone has installed a miner on a router
16:49:07 <plowsof[m]> maybe an IRC message didnt get through to Matrix
16:49:17 <w[m]> <agatesAlecksGate> "Has anyone run XMRig on openwrt?" <- Ahh this ^
16:49:48 <cryptogrampy[m]> it was directed to agates (Alecks Gates) 's question yesterday
16:49:49 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, probably should have quoted it
16:50:11 <cryptogrampy[m]> mining on unsecured routers helps the network
16:50:15 <cryptogrampy[m]> #few
16:50:27 <plowsof[m]> You had our brains scrambled xmrscott 
16:50:27 <plowsof[m]> i thought cryptogrampy was about to get cancelled 
16:51:34 <w[m]> One of them was LMAO.
16:51:34 <w[m]> "You did WHAT to grampy?"
16:52:20 <agatesAlecksGate> <xmrscott[m]> "Why would you want to run..." <- Why does life exist?  Why do we do anything?  My router has two cores and is always on so why not try?
16:54:12 <cryptogrampy[m]> people will literally go to the gas station and buy a piece of paper in with a 1/100000000 chance of becoming rich
16:54:12 <cryptogrampy[m]> a router solo-miner is incredibly based.  it's not so different from a lottery ticket
16:54:49 <cryptogrampy[m]> it also keeps your bed nice and toasty.  
16:54:53 <cryptogrampy[m]> > pats router miner at foot of bed
16:57:01 <xmrscott[m]> Fair. Just figured if you're mining on a device that doesn't have much oomph anyways, better off using a Rock64 Pro or something rather than adding a bunch of wear and tear to the device responsible for your LAN
16:57:23 <merope> don't mine solo, mine on p2pool! You actually contribute to the network, and you get paid regularly for it too!
16:58:18 <w[m]> endor00: 🙌 dont shoot 
16:59:15 <w[m]> Off topic.. but im LOVING watching the market get slapped
16:59:26 <w[m]> Xmr unaffected 
17:00:57 <xmrscott[m]> * or something that likely has a better instruction set than the router SoC rather than
17:03:56 <chesterfield[m]> Looks like the new Monero GUI is live on flathub
17:05:48 <cryptogrampy[m]> Testing now
17:09:19 <chesterfield[m]> This is huge.  Really would like to see some simple videos demonstrating how to use P2pool, and why people should be using it over pool mining.  Additionally, it's actually possible to use P2pool in Monero GUI with a remote node 👁️.  Might be very cool to have a tutorial on that.  
17:09:51 <monerobull[m]> I could make one
17:10:45 <monerobull[m]> But i never even verified binaries before. I feel like it would be unsafe.
17:11:53 <monerobull[m]> I don't care since should the binaries ever be compromised, my coins are still protected by the ledger. Could be very different for others
17:12:19 <monerobull[m]> Or do you think that doesn't matter
17:12:48 <sech1> Remote node must have ZMQ enabled and port open to be compatible with p2pool
17:15:34 <cryptogrampy[m]> For people on PopOS, the Monero GUI is readily available through the PopShop.  Would be curious how safe that is to use and if it's even recommended
17:16:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> if that's considered a safe method, i think it would be a great way to show people how easy it is to download and use / use p2pool on a newb-friendly Linux distro
17:17:02 <xmrscott[m]> Flathub verifies the binaries automatically: 
17:17:05 <xmrscott[m]>     sources:
17:17:05 <xmrscott[m]>       - type: archive
17:17:05 <xmrscott[m]>         url: https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/monero-gui-source-v0.17.3.2.tar.bz2
17:17:05 <xmrscott[m]>         sha256: 73ad92309dbdfc80789890d86cd9b6af8192283f03a006e1f66ac484529b43de
17:17:15 <xmrscott[m]> Source: https://github.com/flathub/org.getmonero.Monero/blob/master/org.getmonero.Monero.yaml
17:17:49 <cryptogrampy[m]> So for the average newb that probably isn't verifying, the popshop or flathub is probably a better and safer option
17:18:40 <sethforprivacy> Flathub/Flatpaks are an excellent distribution method, it's how I keep the GUI up to date (though I usually use Feather).
17:18:57 <xmrscott[m]> Well, technically someone w/ commit access could set url and sha256 to something malicious, but in theory there's people like me who regularly check it and commit access is limited for that repo
17:20:10 <xmrscott[m]> The Monero GUI manifest also does a sha256 check on the other dependcies like libsodium and boost
17:23:19 <selsta> drflashd[m]: --proxy if you want all traffic over tor, --tx-proxy is you only want so send transactions over tor
17:28:09 <xmrscott[m]> But yes, in the case of the 2019 getmonero hack, because the malicious actor didn't update the sha256 checksum, only the binary, this would have been caught by the Flatpak workflow
17:41:22 <drflashd[m]> nice, i want sync/relay over clear&tor idgaf,... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7255b8d3dc9b68c20e39a3a6190e7c023a244564)
17:41:44 <drflashd[m]> sitting on debian 17.0.3
17:41:50 <drflashd[m]> * debian 17.0.3 monerod
17:48:23 <drflashd[m]> w:  so?
17:51:41 <drflashd[m]> this guy asks me to jump two rooms, and now this mf aint here
18:09:06 <agatesAlecksGate> <cryptogrampy[m]> "a router solo-miner is incredibl..." <- I use p2pool, what are you even talking about?
18:11:49 <nioc> calling someone a mf should ensure that they help you
18:26:09 <cryptogrampy[m]> P2pool makes sense.  But I was just saying you could in theory have a bunch of solo miners around your house as well 
18:26:19 <cryptogrampy[m]> If you're into payments every 5000 years
18:27:28 <cryptogrampy[m]> P2pool really is magic though for people with a bunch of devices and want to mine on them with very little overhead/in a decentralized way
18:28:26 <w[m]> <drflashd[m]> "this guy asks me to jump two..." <- This mfka posts the same question in 16 diffderent places and cant use Google 🤸‍♂️
18:28:26 <w[m]> To each his own
18:38:10 <tottles_mcgee[m]> Is it bad that I don't want install the monero wallet because I don't want to take up 2/3 of my ssd on my dev laptop?
18:39:02 <xmr-ack[m]> tottles_mcgee: you can prune the chain
18:39:37 <tottles_mcgee[m]> how much space is taken up with pruned blockchain?
18:40:02 <snex> 40gb?
18:40:03 <cryptogrampy[m]> 47GB
18:40:29 <snex> get a NAS
18:41:36 <cryptogrampy[m]> And that will continue to go up of course.  You can run a node on another machine on your network as well and just connect to that.  MiniPC, an old laptop, rockpro64 or an Android phone will suffice 😎
18:42:41 * ceoofdogenero[m] uploaded an image: (96KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/vvfCMrDpMZwgWqdSgWkCetjr/ima_d7f8a48.webp >
18:42:42 <tottles_mcgee[m]> Yeah, I supposed I could break out the T400 a while back and utilize that until I get the mini pc
18:42:48 <ceoofdogenero[m]> We will be 90% diluted by 3056
18:42:57 <ceoofdogenero[m]> * by 3056?
18:43:07 <ceoofdogenero[m]> * We will be 90% diluted by 3056
18:43:24 <nioc> tottles_mcgee[m]: you will only save disk space if you use the prune option during initial download
18:43:40 <cryptogrampy[m]> tottles_mcgee[m]: This is the way
18:44:11 <nioc> if already downloaded it will not grow but will not have shrunk
18:44:36 <cryptogrampy[m]> Then you have an at home node that you can access from any machine on your network.  You could also expose it as a Tor node and connect to it when you're on the go
18:45:58 <tottles_mcgee[m]> Let's say I wanted just a stagenet wallet for development purposes do I still need have the blockchain on the device with the wallet?
18:46:29 <tottles_mcgee[m]> I want do development the monero swap and I need a wallet to do the swap transactions
18:47:29 <tottles_mcgee[m]> * I want to do development, * do development with the monero
18:48:44 <cryptogrampy[m]> No you can connect to a Stagenet node or run your own.  Check out monero.fail 
18:49:07 <cryptogrampy[m]> Connect to a remote* Stagenet node
18:49:52 <tottles_mcgee[m]> cool let me try that then
18:50:07 <cryptogrampy[m]> And monero GUI can be used with Stagenet as well
18:50:50 <cryptogrampy[m]> There's an advanced setting on one of the wallet setup screens if my Alzheimer's serves me right
19:04:29 <tottles_mcgee[m]> How long does it take to startup the monero-wallet-rpc service?
19:04:42 <tottles_mcgee[m]> Is it dependent on the node?
19:05:39 <lousiF> this node I have is ~106GB. Is there any more I could prune from it?
19:08:35 <snex> 12TB hard drive is ~$250
19:11:41 <lousiF> I'm trying to get it onto microSD's, repurposed eMMC's/SoC's
19:13:16 <lousiF> when I originally downloaded it, it was going onto an external usb sata. took 10+ days
19:29:46 <merope> wallet-rpc is just a wallet, the node is a different program
19:32:17 <lousiF> monerod,. I connect to 127.0.0.1:18081 on this machine, xxxxxxxxxxx.onion:18081 on the portable lan
21:40:52 <chesterfield[m]> <sech1> "Remote node must have ZMQ..." <- can you elaborate on the 'port open' and will this work with a restricted node?
21:41:16 <sech1> ZMQ port open, and RPC port too
21:41:22 <sech1> restricted node should work
21:41:45 <sech1> and ZMQ has to be enabled on the node of course (--zmq-pub command line parameter)
21:47:07 <w[m]> --zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083
21:48:12 <w[m]> I believe it works with a restricted rpc, as long as the zmq is open as well.
21:48:12 <w[m]> Corrections welcome
21:49:25 <w[m]> * --zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083
21:49:25 <w[m]> If running pool and node on the same device
21:49:25 <w[m]> (No port forwarding)
21:50:19 <w[m]> * --zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083
21:50:19 <w[m]> ^monerod flag
21:50:19 <w[m]> If running pool and node on the same device
21:50:19 <w[m]> (No port forwarding)
21:52:47 <cryptogrampy[m]> Can anyone speak to adding  --rpc-access-control-origins=* to a public node config?  It's a more usable feature with the latest release and I'd like to see more public nodes adopt it if possible  :) 
21:52:57 <cryptogrampy[m]> It opens the door for browser-based wallets / extensions 
21:55:39 <w[m]> Any reliance on SSL?
21:56:16 <w[m]> cryptogrampy: 
21:56:32 <cryptogrampy[m]> TipXMR, XMR.gift wallet, spirobel 's browser extension wallet and my upcoming HotShop will all ideally need public nodes supporting this, to name a few.  
21:56:49 <cryptogrampy[m]> paging sgp_  and Seth For Privacy 
21:58:10 <cryptogrampy[m]> w[m]: Good question.  Not sure if that's necessary or not.  
21:58:20 <cryptogrampy[m]> I don't believe it is
22:00:05 <w[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8168
22:02:11 <cryptogrampy[m]> Yeah that's the issue.  So before, you had to have a username and password rpc login on your node in conjunction with  --rpc-access-control-origins
22:02:24 <cryptogrampy[m]> the moment you set that flag, you needed a login/password
22:02:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> now, you're able to set it, and set it to a wildcard without login/password
22:03:55 <cryptogrampy[m]> monero nodes are just providing public information similar to an API or an image or something (at least restricted nodes), so having a wildcard for access control origins allows browsers to ping monerod without browser CORS warnings.
22:11:11 <sech1> w[m] --zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083 will only work on local machine, you need to change it to --zmq-pub=tcp://0.0.0.0:18083 for external connections
22:21:47 <w[m]> Vtnerd might have input on using passwordless with public(and well known) nodes 
22:22:32 <w[m]> Not sure if anything has changed, but https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/1677#issuecomment-277488905
22:23:42 <w[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/2408#issuecomment-328522228
22:25:57 <w[m]> <sech1> "w --zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:1808..." <- Yes, yes (I edit my post to reflect)