00:44:28 So sorry, was occupied today and didn't check Matrix. I will be reading all the messages related to the CCS proposal shortly 00:51:59 the only message about your proposal was an endorsement from selsta xd (ooo123 was fighting mj after that) 00:52:40 Consensus reached! 😁 01:07:04 Just finished reading all the messages, don't feel as bad for missing that conversation :P 01:10:46 to be fair ooo123 waited until the end to fight <3 01:11:40 i made a script to scrape / crop moneroj.net charts for the anti javascript chads. maybe morpheus can implement something like that? 01:11:48 https://github.com/plowsof/scrape-moneroj-net-charts 01:13:41 plowsof[m]: Sure, thanks. I'll implement it. 01:14:34 Tomorrow I'll take a closer look. Will message you back in case I have any questions. 01:16:34 not sure what the backend is but ideally they are made 'at the source' but hey-ho, if it works it works 01:17:17 Morpheus You run moneroj.net ? 01:17:31 It will be very nice to improve moneroj.net 01:17:34 Yes 01:17:47 Cheers ! 01:17:54 plowsof[m]: Python/django 01:18:08 jeffro256[m]: Do you like it? 01:18:15 xD 01:19:03 Yeah! The charts especially 01:19:43 You guys are awesome, I must say. I've having a really good time being part of this. 01:20:33 I'm a sucker for visualizations of obscure data 01:21:04 Never thought I would find so many people that were so aligned with my ideas. But I like this environment. 01:22:48 I'll just keep improving moneroj.net. Keep up the good ideas. I'll keep working 01:28:07 If you guys have any other ideas for charts, please leave a message. I don't have any problem with people reaching me out to give opinions. 01:57:43 "the only message about your..." <- community node list is centralized bullshit to hide underlying problems which require competent people to fix them 01:59:08 i made .. i forget now, 800 transactions from 300 nodes and couldnt find the high fee node. it is similar to an 'anti cheat' in a game. the cheaters will find ways to hide from the detection methods 02:00:19 the other 'naughty' nodes (not exactly sure what they do) can be fingerprinted (many of them) 02:01:13 when using a remote node - theres no way to protect from certain things right? because you dont have the blockchain on hand to confirm things? remote nodes suck - not just for 'high fees' 02:02:37 "i made a script to scrape / crop..." <- Wow this is a great idea 02:02:57 protect against a high fee? sure , display a warning / hard code some > 1$ reject .. great. what about everything else they can do (im sure chainanalysis are running many nodes right now) 02:03:06 Also probably a huge saver of bandwidth/ cpu 02:04:03 "Consensus reached! 😁" <- There is no consensus 02:04:16 i was joking ooo123 02:04:32 plowsof[m]: add /s then 02:04:33 > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> the only message about your proposal was an endorsement from selsta xd (ooo123 was fighting mj after that) 02:04:33 > 02:04:33 > community node list is centralized bullshit to hide underlying problems which require competent people to fix them 02:04:33 Well yes, but that's the point of simple mode. It's for those who don't care about decentralization, running their own node, knowing anything about p2p, or those who are just plain tech illierate. It wouldn't touch any other wallet code 02:04:41 apologies 02:04:57 > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> i was joking ooo123 02:04:57 > 02:04:57 > add /s then 02:04:57 I think everyone else got it lol 02:06:46 centralised bullshit is better than the trash sitting in my peer list right now 02:06:49 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> the only message about your proposal was an endorsement from selsta xd (ooo123 was fighting mj after that)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/74ae837ba439c6428daecdb09eb828235634c7ab) 02:06:56 plowsof[m]: No. 02:07:42 there are sooo many attack vectors though right? why not centralised bullshit as a quick fix? 02:07:43 plowsof[m]: Centralized bullshit is there since you and others don't verify work of developers 02:08:47 will you lose sleep if we switch simple mode users to a smallerlist of nodes, just like in feather wallet right now? (which uses https://github.com/feather-wallet/feather/blob/master/src/assets/nodes.json) 02:08:55 I've found a reason to not pay that scammer for soloptxmr 02:08:59 hahahahaha 02:09:06 the same as with that tsqsim 02:09:16 there is already open source alternative supported by many developers 02:09:18 hahahaha 02:09:32 I have some questions about monero 02:09:32 1. I'm using the GUI wallet, I use a password manager to save my seed phrase, wallet password, and I use veracrypt to hold the files for the wallet, what do each of the files do? there is a (name) and (name).keys file, do I need them to use my wallet? 02:09:32 2. Can I upload my encrypted volume containing my wallet anywhere, and will it sync my monero, or will it be out of date or something? (do I need the file to be up to date with my home computer) 02:10:03 At least that scammer should deliver something better than open source alternative, otherwise what is point to pay him ? 02:10:25 > > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> the only message about your proposal was an endorsement from selsta xd (ooo123 was fighting mj after that)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/ae2cfbf43f78643351a04e97f99b4c76398b24c7) 02:10:37 Anyway, these bullshit proposals from incompetent scammers is removing focus from important problems in Moner 02:10:38 If we did everything manually, why not just use Bitcoin? 02:10:38 s/Moner/Monero/ 02:12:11 luigi1111, will pay that scammer if there is open source alterantive for all parts of that proposal ? 02:12:32 already available 02:13:24 bkt4 - you need to write your 25 mnemonic seed down on paper at the very least, thats all you need. the (name) just contains some metadata (like recipient addresses). you have to 'sync' monero wallet before you can 'use it' 02:14:13 > there is already open source alternative supported by many developers 02:14:13 Are you talking about https://github.com/ARKInvest/SolarBatteryBitcoin 02:14:54 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > there is already open source alternative supported by many developers 02:14:54 > 02:14:54 > Are you talking about https://github.com/ARKInvest/SolarBatteryBitcoin 02:14:54 No 02:15:32 Do you have a link? Genuinely interested 02:15:59 im not rich enough to purchase solar panels to verify their work 02:16:06 Government is funding alternative energy development or at least pretend to fund. And at the same time this scammer is abusing monero CCS to write solution for very fundamental problem; there is 1% of something that monero specific 02:17:05 facepalm 02:17:09 if i had money for solar panel array AND serious monero mining equipment - i would take one look at the monero profitability graph - turn 360 degrees and walk away 02:17:41 plowsof[m]: It's criticism for the goal of that proposal. 02:18:23 I'm pointing out that there is even open source solution for it 02:18:27 developed by others 02:19:56 plowsof[m]: I would say that solar panels is certainly not the most decentralized piece of technology. Unlike CPUs 02:20:49 If there would verification procedure for that CCS then I would just do that work within few weeks and get full reward 02:20:56 Or anyone else would do it 02:21:22 And i've spent only 1 day on it 02:21:28 I have no idea what he was doing 2 weeks or even more ? 02:22:34 The same with that bullshit tsqsim; if it's so profitable for exchange backtesting then why are you abusing CCS for profit ? 02:23:34 We need many competent people to do the same thing that UkoeHB is doing instead of this bullshit. 02:23:42 The same for Haveno frontend 02:24:32 But among all this scammer is the most incompetent and completely useless for the goal of this project, at least until he will start to learn something new 02:26:56 "if i had money for solar panel..." <- connection code in monerod isn't fixed, but this scammer is reinventing wheel for energy management; facepalm 02:27:24 cryptography isn't fixed, but haveno is writing frontend for bisq fork; facepalm 02:27:46 i spent 3 days ordering a list in alphabetical order :D 02:28:53 :O what list 02:29:00 The same for endor00, who suggested this bullshit idea 02:29:42 * bullshit idea; both incompetent and money driven; if there were here for solving problems and making progress then they would search for available alternatives 02:30:08 instead of thinking how to wrap bullshit tsqsim into new CCS proposal in order to get money 02:30:26 only corrupted politicians are doing like that 02:33:08 "Do you have a link? Genuinely..." <- I've posted 10 links to alternatives for that tsqsim, but this scammer not only dodged any questions, but also opened two new CCS proposals and both were merged by luigi1111; facepalm 02:34:34 And 1st one 2/3 paid out already 02:35:21 ":O what list" <- automate ordering of 2 lists https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1967 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1969 02:35:52 submitting anything (user guide / faq) to getmonero sucks , so i tried to automate the process 02:36:07 > > <@jeffro256:monero.social> Do you have a link? Genuinely interested 02:36:07 > 02:36:07 > I've posted 10 links to alternatives for that tsqsim, but this scammer not only dodged any questions, but also opened two new CCS proposals and both were merged by luigi1111; facepalm 02:36:07 Oh I thought you meant SolOptXmr 02:37:10 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@jeffro256:monero.social> Do you have a link? Genuinely interested... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/332952a66f633a57f563d96c4892635733fdf7ea) 02:37:32 And with SolOptXMR I've spent time to find alternatives before 1st milestone 02:40:40 plowsof[m]: yea automate the hell out of it 02:41:22 Not sure this was mentioned today, but tradeogre added xmr/usdt pair 👀 02:46:50 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> the only message about your proposal was an endorsement from selsta xd (ooo123 was fighting mj after that)... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6de086b9c22af12c4249c720b8a9e394ce5b7a39) 02:47:55 proper wallet2 changes are impossible without learning it, the same for learning daemon code 02:49:06 and the quick fix (to stop people paying 19xmr , today) is... 02:50:56 plowsof[m]: set default fee to minimum instead of automatic fee adjustment which isn't resistant to abuse 02:51:14 just reorder fee policies 02:51:43 i think the minimum / automatic isnt the problem? the node just gives us garbage? 02:51:58 and our wallet multiplies it 02:52:09 > or at most full validation from daemon 02:52:09 ooo123ooo1234567 People run a simple mode GUI wallet precisely to avoid running a daemon 02:53:18 > > <@plowsof:matrix.org> and the quick fix (to stop people paying 19xmr , today) is... 02:53:18 > 02:53:18 > set default fee to minimum instead of automatic fee adjustment which isn't resistant to abuse 02:53:18 The issue runs much deeper than that. Connecting to a completely unknown daemon can have negative implications for privacy 03:11:34 @jeffro256 Yes, it's another vector for the feds to steal all your midget porn... 03:11:53 * jeffro256: Yes, it's another vector for the feds to steal all your midget porn... 03:12:09 Guard that shit with yo life fren 03:19:17 * You forget luigi1111, he is specialist in cryptography <= definitely not 03:59:07 is anyone here familiar with zapier/ifttt? what's the best free one that's out there these days? 03:59:18 i haven't looked into these things in about 20 years 04:00:09 I'd like to add a field for a custom post request in HotShop that happens on a successful payment, and want to make a fun demo with one of these tools :) 04:01:19 I think it would help round it out giving people the ability to save their tx data somewhere 04:57:38 "ooo123ooo1234567: I will send..." <- Please do. I will very gladly review his work and reports. I won't ask for any payment for reviewing his perefect-anything. 05:03:15 "im not rich enough to purchase..." <- Please. A single panel costs 130 EUR. I have just 3. A fitting inverter costs 200-300 EUR. 05:03:15 Secondly, I'm a straight dude and have no siamese twin, so just "he" please :) 05:04:03 "if i had money for solar panel..." <- We soon might all need some kind of panels and will stop thinking in $ terms. 05:04:03 Not that I spread MISINFORMATION! 05:07:45 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> > > <@jeffro256:monero.social> Do you have a link? Genuinely interested... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f4ca4356807a38c5143d42654d016bdd390582e8) 05:10:42 Your problem is, that you're angry at people, who know anything different than you do. You try to bring them to your ONLY area of expertise, which is crypto. 05:11:02 Then you try to beat them. 05:12:06 Reminds me of the quote: "Never discuss with an idiot. He'll take you down to his level and beat you with experience". In your case, the basement where you operate is crypto. Unfortunately for the project. 05:13:56 But I personally don't understand people who prefer to be kept hostage to you only by that your tiny area of expertise. Aren't there really other people in the whole world, that researchers have to be dependent on such a sociopatic person? It paints a very bad picture for Monero. 05:15:43 But I know you do your job of eliminating any competition to be the king of the village, with all the newborn kids looking strangely very similarly to you. 05:20:53 A freakin' trojan horse. 05:31:26 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> Please. A single panel costs 130 EUR. I have just 3. A fitting inverter costs 200-300 EUR. 05:31:26 > Secondly, I'm a straight dude and have no siamese twin, so just "he" please :) 05:31:26 With that said, I'm fine with waiting for anybody who already has a small farm to confirm/deny if this works as advertised. 05:31:26 Note, that there can be some discrepancies. Working on a physical model is always an ongoing issue, hence the "M" in the MVP. It's more like: "Are you able to follow the Quickstart? Is the project easy to handle? What would you change?" 05:32:06 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> Please. A single panel costs 130 EUR. I have just 3. A fitting inverter costs 200-300 EUR. 05:32:06 > Secondly, I'm a straight dude and have no siamese twin, so just "he" please :) 05:32:06 So endor doesnt really exist? Mj + endor = they 05:32:06 I thought endor was doing most of the work 05:33:08 Ah lol. No. I don't see the looser's posts anymore so need to understand it from context. Besides I'm being attacked all the time, not endor00 . 05:33:46 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> With that said, I'm fine with waiting for anybody who already has a small farm to confirm/deny if this works as advertised. 05:33:46 > Note, that there can be some discrepancies. Working on a physical model is always an ongoing issue, hence the "M" in the MVP. It's more like: "Are you able to follow the Quickstart? Is the project easy to handle? What would you change?" 05:33:46 How can youbsay "please. A single panel costs 130EU. I have 3" 05:33:46 Then assume someone else a s freaking solar farm? Do you know *anybody* with a farm that can teSt your work? 05:34:16 Not yet. But I know that they should hurry up. 05:34:51 But the world and the general public always punishes people who think ahead of time. 05:34:56 I got used to it. 05:35:12 Then I'm in their portfolio. 05:36:27 Who can review 7760/7999 05:37:38 Is vtnerd the only one? 05:38:51 ofrnxmr[m]: Ask ooo[loop] how many competent people the community allowed the sucker to demotivate and leave the project. 05:40:14 ooo ? How many are on your account? 05:40:33 Do you enjoy the cream that they left for you? 05:41:21 It's all yours! Yummy! 05:41:48 If nobody is capable of reviewing good code, then isnt he. ... correct in his assessment? 05:42:25 If I shot him dead, wouldn't I be correct with my assessment, that I made the World better? 05:42:53 No 05:42:59 Youd be pretty stupid 05:43:16 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 05:43:27 Why? Because I'd waste my bullet for a looser? 05:43:55 Sounding like 6piz right now. Talking about shooting people over the internet 🤡💩 go to bed 05:46:10 ofrnxmr[m]: Nice try, sock puppet. 05:46:24 Gents, please adjust your ignore lists accordingly/ 05:46:41 Yeah, ignore mj 05:46:42 Clearly needs a time out 05:48:10 He attacks you ccs so you should shoot him dead 05:48:10 🍿 05:49:21 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> With that said, I'm fine with waiting for anybody who already has a small farm to confirm/deny if this works as advertised. 05:49:22 > Note, that there can be some discrepancies. Working on a physical model is always an ongoing issue, hence the "M" in the MVP. It's more like: "Are you able to follow the Quickstart? Is the project easy to handle? What would you change?" 05:49:22 Back to topic: I've JUST YESTERDAY published the MVP. It's not even within the first 24 hours of the default prediction horizon of 4 days, so it's ridiculous to ask the user base if anybody has already verified it. You have to give them at least 4 days... if not 2 weeks. We're dealing with a realistic system here, not a made-up Metaverse World. 05:49:54 * Back to topic: I've JUST YESTERDAY published the MVP. It's not yet even past the first 24 hours of the default prediction horizon of 4 days, so it's ridiculous to ask the user base if anybody has already verified it. You have to give them at least 4 days... if not 2 weeks. We're dealing with a realistic system here, not a made-up Metaverse World. 05:50:28 Who is the userbase, if you only have 3 panels and dont know any small farms ? 05:53:05 and I can wait for the payment. Pffff. 06:02:51 Neither did I ask for it yet. luigi1111 can confirm. I ALWAYS wait a few days after publishing my reports to be able to show him the Community's response. 06:03:26 This time I'll have to wait for a bit longer. Fine. 06:04:16 are you drunk rn? lol 06:04:30 or just angry 06:10:02 Not drunk. Just saying what I think. 06:10:26 I'm not sure if you followed the whole conversation. 06:14:42 "if i had money for solar panel..." <- This is also a point that we discussed with endor00 and will be one of the important parts in his own milestone (the 2nd one): 06:14:42 You can't assume profitability at the current USD rate, but at a future sell price, that you are able to wait out. Imagine selling at the last ATH and setting it as your parameter. Only then we can talk about $ profitability. It's best to adjust it to your current $ debt, that you'd cover with your sold tokens. 06:14:43 Secondly, many people are now already locked out of being able to actually buy ANY coin, and if they worked around sanctions, they could go to jail. Mining Monero via p2pool is their only way to get some tokens. Add a looming blackout fear and Solar Mining of XMR is the only option... until you can't afford buying the panels anymore. 06:16:10 We also all know how Monerun 1.0 (kudos for that) affected the price. It would go to at least 500$ if the exchanges let you withdraw all that you wished. THIS is your sell price. 06:16:48 And, unlike precious metals, storing additional tokens doesn't cost you anything. Let it sink in and use this fact. 06:17:23 (with precious metals being the only comparable anti-inflationary asset) 06:23:28 Solo mining monero via p2pool to obtain monero... 06:23:28 How much hash rate are you putting out, sustainably (24/7) with 400EU worth of panels? 06:23:42 s/Solo/Solor*/ 06:23:47 s/Solo/Solar*/ 06:24:21 Asking because I mine using low hash rate android devices that endor told me was a waste of time. 06:34:31 Alright. These are points that I love discussing and it's all on a proper level, plowsof . If anybody annoys me like that kid with complete lack of manners, I'll just put'em on my ignore list. 06:41:09 mj-xmr: wen LiFePo4? 06:41:43 very hot right now, but not explosively so 06:42:23 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/system-cfg/batteries-template.json 06:42:41 um 06:42:46 my battery doesn't run on poo 06:42:48 ca-ca? 06:43:02 Please tell me if there's any parameter (other than the name) that you think is missing there in order to define a LiFePo4's parameters. 06:43:18 chesterfield[m]: Calcium-Calcium. A better lead-acid. 06:43:54 mj-xmr[m]: Because I simply don't know. I have some gel batteries to test, but not tested them yet. 06:43:55 is that 11% discharge? 06:44:09 discharge to 11* 06:44:35 chesterfield[m]: Max discharge in Amperes 06:44:36 oh nevermind 06:44:38 i get it 06:44:47 So how much you can take per second. 06:45:12 In amperes, not Watts, because the voltage of the system has to be taken into account. 06:45:18 Defined here: 06:45:19 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/system-cfg/system-template.json 06:45:56 While this parameter: `"discharge_per_hour_percent" : 0.9` will probably be lower for LiFePo4. 06:46:10 It's the self-discharge when simply idling. 06:46:55 The current (varying) temperature will also alter it, so that's why I'm expecting the physical model yet to be perfectioned later on. 06:47:08 So 2x 12 volt x 60amp calcium batteries? 06:47:16 But perhaps the current approximation will be enough. I think it will. 06:48:41 if you can find a utility company with variable rate electricity, you can definitely save a lot on mining with a battery backup system 06:49:01 Yes. 06:49:05 make sure to not use lead acid batteries in your bedroom though :) 06:49:16 "generate" : true, 06:49:16 "buy" : false, 06:49:17 "sell" : false 06:49:21 As I do. 06:49:40 chesterfield[m]: Definitely not. I store them on my balcony. And no smoking there... 06:49:40 I use battery systems to run my android miners during the day, charge them at night 06:50:05 that's awesome 06:50:29 And for completeness sake: they have to be covered from the direct sunlight. 06:50:36 *protected. 06:50:41 Basic 18650 cells Iirc. 06:51:10 are you doing diy batteries with them/soldering those strips across cells? 06:51:17 mj-xmr[m]: and kids :) 06:52:27 chesterfield[m]: I bought these Ca-Ca batteries with 85Ah for mere 50 Euros and I refill their electrolyte quarterly. I only connected the cables to their terminators. 06:53:00 mj-xmr[m]: ... refill with distilled water. With my protective glasses on. 06:53:58 mj-xmr[m]: that's great. i threw a few diy lifepo4's together. have about 5kWh of usable capacity :) 06:54:12 it's insane how little space these things take up 06:54:40 probably the size of two decent sized car batteries 06:54:45 chesterfield[m]: Wow. That's a lot! You could serve your community in near future for sure... for a price :) 06:55:42 My philosophy is that I need to make sure that such a system can work on the cheapest possible parts, not to lock out poorer users. Everybody counts. 06:56:14 But any expensive improvements, like yours, will only make your life easier. 06:57:07 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jackery-Portable-Generator-Emergency-Power%EF%BC%8COutdoor/dp/B08RNQ9P2R 06:59:16 "Asking because I mine using..." <- And I stand by it: if you resold them, you would earn enough money to offset a few years worth of mining on them. You could then use that money to buy a proper mining rig, or just buy Monero directly 06:59:50 So how does solar scale? 06:59:58 Not to mention the efficiency improvement of a proper ryzen cpu, which increases profitability 07:00:27 ofrnxmr[m]: Scale in what terms? 07:01:02 What ryzen Rigs can solar keep up with 07:01:39 That depends entirely on your solar+battery setup 07:02:18 I can get 30kh from 500w/1amp 07:02:18 not sure ryzens are that efficient 07:03:17 Our system works by looking at the available excess power and energy (ie what's left over that you don't use for the house) for a given timeframe, and then use as much of it as possible to mine in the most efficient/profitable way 07:03:19 (I dont have 100 devices, but if 300h/s per device at 1amp/5watts or less) 07:04:14 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I can get 30kh from 500w/1amp 07:04:15 > not sure ryzens are that efficient 07:04:15 30 kH/s / 500W = 60 H/s/W. Ryzen does ~100 H/s/W, so 50% more efficient 07:04:20 The proposal literally says its not profitable until ATH 07:04:35 And with some good tuning and downclocking you can go up to ~130 H/s 07:04:45 ofrnxmr[m]: Then you misread the proposal 07:05:09 Sorry, I meant mj said above 07:05:36 merope: Please let me know later where there's an apparent mistake in my documentation. 07:06:46 merope: Mind you, 300h/s is using half cores. I can do 800+ 07:06:46 So on arm mining is on par with ryzen and already can test directly its drain on a battery 07:07:06 He was just pointing out the fact that a user will be able to set their reference price point. I.e. if you believe that the price will go higher and you intend to sell your coins at that price, then it might make sense for you to mine right now - even if right now you would be mining at a loss 07:07:45 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Mind you, 300h/s is using half cores. I can do 800+ 07:07:46 > So on arm mining is on par with ryzen and already can test directly its drain on a battery 07:07:46 "So arm is on par with ryzen already" you can't say that until you've actually done a proper measurement 07:08:09 And vice versa 07:08:18 merope: No it isn't because you'll end up with fewer tokens to sell once the price reaches your expected level. 07:08:19 The best arm cpus are roughly on par with ryzen, but others are still inferior 07:08:53 ARM CPU's purpose is to do some network job by using very little electricity. 07:09:06 Not to mention the lack of cache on most arms, so you can't just ramp up the mining threads 07:09:17 That's why their instruction set can be limited. 07:09:24 And not the best, but im using mid range 2020 era stuff 07:10:07 merope: Plus, the petrodollar is gone in the wild now. These are the last few months to wake up. Check the food prices... 07:10:29 ofrnxmr[m]: Try finding the actual peak hashrate and then measure the power consumption, otherwise this is all empty speculation 07:10:48 Power consumption is Max 5w 07:10:59 I dont use any chargers more powerful than that 07:11:17 And keep in mind that using all cores might not be peak performance, if you don't have the cache to feed them all 07:12:38 and you can't mine on all cores all the time, because during the peak solar production hours, the room temperature raises too much to do it this way. 07:12:48 Physics is a ... 07:12:51 (Sigh, I really need to finish that paper on mining economics, don't I?) 07:13:11 merope: I'm not sure if anybody will read it, TBH. 07:13:17 Even though it will be golden. 07:13:24 mj-xmr[m]: The room temp? 07:14:17 Yeah, but at least then I'll be able to say "sorry, your fault for not reading it" 🤣 07:14:51 Well, whether you write it or not, physics is still a **** to those who don't understand it. Just mine :) 07:15:35 Solar panels are outside, batteries and miners inside in a cooled environment 07:15:59 BTW. Endor is an aerospace engineer, and I'm a control engineer with extra 2 years in computer science. If that matters for anybody. 07:16:02 How does peak solar hours have anything to do with indoor temp as compared to using hydro 07:18:03 * Solar panels are outside, batteries and miners inside in a temperature controlled* environment 07:18:08 ofrnxmr[m]: Talk about topic-changing whiplash... 07:18:25 Do I need a safety belt when reading this chat? 07:18:47 You guys are the ones chainging the topic 07:18:52 merope: I needed my pink glasses, that I bought from Elton John. 07:19:38 Making statements then acting funny when asked about them 07:19:51 ofrnxmr[m]: ...Said the guy who brought up hydroelectric power 07:20:33

"and you can't mine on all..." <- You and mj were talking about 07:20:48 So I asked WTF he's talking about 07:21:05 Im not asking about hydro 😑😑 07:21:05 Im asking what this logic is 07:21:47 ofrnxmr[m]: He's talking about automatically limiting the number of mining threads, in case the rig is getting too close to the temperature limit 07:22:05 Which could happen, during peak heat hours in the day 07:22:27 And I asked how that is different for solar? Aka how does that have anything to do with what were talking about 07:22:42 "How does peak solar hours have..." <- "Not asking about hydro" - weird, that's exactly what I see you asking here 🤔 07:22:53 If its hot.. with or without solar its an issue 07:23:18 As compared to using hydro 07:23:22 Dont play dumb endor 07:23:27 It isn't, strictly speaking. He's talking about solar because that's the initial focus of the project 07:23:44 Solar is the topic 07:23:44 But of course, other power sources can be integrated in the future 07:24:34 ofrnxmr[m]: I'm not, just using common sense to parse the conversation rather than taking things too literally and then asking pointless questions. Think you can do the same? 07:25:22

"and you can't mine on all..." <- Translate this for me 07:25:25 Since I took it too literally 07:25:38 merope: Already did ^ 07:27:12 He says specifically 07:27:12 "Because during peak solar production hours, the room temperature raises too much" 07:27:12 And WHAT DOED THIS HAVE DO TO WITH SOLAR 07:27:12 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/ui-menus/hydro.json 07:27:12 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/ui-menus/wind.json 07:27:12 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/ui-menus/wind.json 07:27:21 Is there a problem? 07:27:39 This is WIP still, and the 1st milestone is an MVP 07:27:58 I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. 07:28:05 It seems he's stuck in a loop, because he can't comprehend that the message was further rectified witj the subsequent messages 07:28:15 But no, he's not being too literal, no sir 07:29:19 s/witj/with/ 07:29:51 🧠🔍️ 07:30:09 Would make a great specimen. 07:30:12 Anyway, gotta go. You kids play nice 07:30:20 Me too. Thanks! 07:30:35 Yea, Mjs an idiot 07:30:56 See ya endor. I like ya 07:31:09 What did I just say about playing nice... 07:31:41 Well mj started BT saying he's going should shoot ooo123 07:31:42 I don't know but I have software to develop :) 07:31:42 And it makes me soooo happy... 07:31:43 Then we got along 07:31:53 And now he's back to being funny 07:32:49 Ah yes, the classic "he started it" 2nd grade excuse. Just stop 07:32:51 Bye now 07:32:52 So ya, endor, no hard feelings 07:48:28 I dunno who started it, but I know I'll finish it. 07:48:28 Waiting for your CSS Proposal to review! And if it passes the quality gates, I'll review all your PRs ...for free! 07:49:15 Go shoot ooo 07:49:41 Then find someone to write the multisig fixes 08:03:13 7760 and 7999 are waiting for you 08:14:39 Networking has been a kind of my bread and butter in the past 5+ years of professional programming, so I'll start reviewing these two slowly. Although I never used Boost before. 08:28:40 Appreciate it 🙏 sech1: 08:47:40 any reddit mod.. could you kindly approve this.. thank you in advance https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/v0vsqa/monerokon_2022_call_for_volunteers_it_takes_a/ 09:04:42 I took a quick glance over 7760. It needs much more thorough review. Apart from a few style incosistencies, I already found a few serious coding errors and potential vulnerabilities. 09:04:55 This is what always happens with "rewrite from scratch" approach. 09:05:11 New bugs infiltrate the code 09:32:26 I'm not sucking up here, but these are typical conclusions of an experienced programmer. 09:34:24 > <@mj-xmr:matrix.org> This is also a point that we discussed with endor00 and will be one of the important parts in his own milestone (the 2nd one):... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/bf169094081cdaafda6ccd03b97c40cb1f0a767b) 09:34:44 Too long to copy-paste. 10:01:48 "I took a quick glance over 7760...." <- Please note at the end of the PR:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/214c283405979a2b5a3a27084c1a7e761c494509) 10:05:11 the perfect-one, according to the CCS Proposal, works 12 hours a day, so why not fixing the merge conflicts? I see no problem here. 10:08:58 "and the code still passes all the checks." 10:08:59 Please note, that for that to be true, the tests have to remain untouched. 10:09:14 for this PR alone, I mean. 10:18:18 There are exceptions to this rule possible, only if the given failing test was proven to be overfitting the previous solution. But it's the contributor who needs to prove this fact. 10:20:49 I think I'll take these ideas form this PR and write my own version "from scratch" as well but bit by bit, so that the changes are verifiable by the reviewers. This means with proper documentation and abstractions, that I don't see here. 11:13:10 mj-xmr[m]: there is no merge conflict 11:13:38 it just complains from deleted code 11:18:47 the PR has 3 test cases, everyone can submit their own fix and we can quickly verify if the patch is correct 11:18:57 so far over 1 year later no one has done this 11:19:33 and ! or not are minor code style questions that are irrelevant for the SSL code :D 11:19:43 both can be quickly adjusted 11:30:37 So far sech1 has found major issues. Not that they can't be fixed though. But such is a life of a Contributor - the reviewers are your temporary bosses. 11:31:15 I'm talking about the entropy and threading issues. 11:38:24 the entropy issue existed already and the threading issue is minor compared to the existing bug the patch fixes 11:40:07 existing bugs* 11:43:01 the current SSL code makes it so that users can't even connect to remote nodes in some cases, which is a major UX issue 11:43:21 and this bug exists for years now 11:53:36 There's also a potential memory exhaustion issue https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7760/files#r884568328 11:53:44 and I'm sure I'll find more once I properly review it 11:56:41 it would be great if you find time to properly review it 11:59:47 and if someone thinks they can do a better patch we can easily verify if all issues are solved that the test cases show 11:59:55