00:47:09 "Speaking of CCS, I updated my..." <- there are no changes to what is supposed to be done, all of that are mostly useless or unimportant things, some of them are not even viable long term: community nodes, SSL, draft levin/cryptonote specification (how is it even possible without reading code, the one for binary epee codec isn't even complete), doxygen, general documentation, dead code removal (without code 00:47:09 reading ?), misc dev/review (any good example of review?) ? 01:23:17 How is a levin/cryptonote specification not viable in the long term? 01:24:56 Also you keep saying that SSL is useless. Could you expand on that please? SSL has horrible flaws but when done correctly, it provided integrity and confidentiality to connections. Also it's used just about everywhere so that's we need to implement if we want to incorporate with any modern software 01:25:53 "how is it even possible without reading code" 01:25:56 It isn't 01:26:31 "... doxygen, general documentation ... " 01:29:21 Basically all of monero's network stack was cobbled together from the ground up (as I'm sure that you're aware). There are many examples of snippets in the codebase with lax or ill-defined requirements / bad organization. Documenting and disseminating knowledge about the code will aid the current dev team and especially future devs in understanding how to move forward with the code 01:30:48 There's been talks for years about completely rewriting the codebase from scratch, yet there aren't any serious traction behind any movement so far, so we're stuck with our current code for now. If we want to interoperability and new substantive development, the code needs to be accessible 01:32:14 "any good example of review" 01:33:16 I know that you often accuse just about every dev of "blind approval" of PRs, so I want to know what you consider a good review 01:44:24 "I know that you often accuse..." <- good review : inspect even the compiled machine level code 02:00:30 Guess I better start learning ARM lol 02:04:31 in theory or in practice ? 02:23:08 Why not both ? 02:24:15 practical learning of ARM means programming something for real hardware, but it's much harder task than writing docs or doing code relocation in C++ 02:24:25 theoretical learning is easy, but not much useful 02:25:54 Sorry I thought you were asking about my request for what a good review is in your opinion 02:26:16 jeffro256[m]: I thought you were going to go hard way and learn firmware programming for ARM 02:26:20 It's a much harder task than writing bad docs for sure 02:26:24 s/go hard way and// 02:26:43 * I thought you were going to learn firmware programming for ARM, it was unexpected reply from your side 02:28:28 What is there to learn theoretically about ARM assembly? Seems entirely practical to me. That's like trying to learn to unclog pipes theoretically or learning how to paint theoretically 02:29:03 Either way don't plan on doing that lol 02:31:13 But to get back on topic, it's really difficult to write actually useful documentation. It's easy to just copy the arguments of a function and give a half-assed explanation 02:40:49 "There's been talks for years..." <- Does from scratch include stuff like 7760? (Is this a good place to start?) 02:42:13 Like there's monero-core, and some people trying to rebuild the entire codebase in rust, stuff like that 02:42:46 7760 is basically a complete rewrite of a very broken section of the code , but I wasn't necessarily talking about that 02:43:03 Still good though 02:44:49 Also idk if you've been following Jamtis + Seraphis + misc wallet development but a lot of the community is in favor of throwing out all of wallet2 and starting over with wallet3 02:47:35 "There's been talks for years..." <- There is no doubts in ability to rewrite anything with better design of those who isn't going to read/learn legacy code. 02:49:38 Sorry, could you rephrase that? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just genuinely can't parse that sentence 02:52:36 > <@jeffro256:monero.social> There's been talks for years about completely rewriting the codebase from scratch, yet there aren't any serious traction behind any movement so far, so we're stuck with our current code for now. If we want to interoperability and new substantive development, the code needs to be accessible 02:52:36 * Those who're not going to read/learn legacy code can't rewrite something with better design with high probability 02:56:40 Ah, okay makes sense now 02:56:42 Agreed 02:57:43 "Also idk if you've been followin..." <- if seraphis will reach final point then it will replace wallet2, there is no need for anything separate. 02:58:46 * anything separate. "the community" of users (don't read code) has nothing in common with development 03:00:46 ooo123ooo1234567: by "community" he means the monero development community 03:00:46 jeffro256: I think 03:00:52 "7760 is basically a complete..." <- it isn't rewrite, it's fix of internal implementation for the lowest layer in networking which is required for changes in higher layers. 03:04:36 So a rewrite?... I mean, it's a useful rewrite because it solves a lot of concurrency issues. It also has a lot of personal style choices, but either way that's just wordplay. I didn't mean to imply that it didn't add real value 03:05:05 🫂 ooo started with 1 line and ended up doing 1500 before he was satisfied 03:05:05 good man 03:11:47 what do you mean with 1 line ? 03:13:25 reg emoji-gate in MRL : users with custom role of '1' can leave emojis and delete messages from users with role 'default' 03:13:51 plowsof[m]: And delete messages? Tf 03:15:01 what script was used to add all current users except few into role&permissions list ? 03:15:44 * plowsof[m] uploaded an image: (132KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/fiBbIGELtfbKKlKHkbDjvTpO/rm.png > 03:16:57 and i've not been contacted by any admin regarding any issue either 😁 03:17:50 -lounge 03:17:51 seems like koe is confused too. 03:17:51 I dont want to lay judgement before confirmation ...... ..... ..... .. but if it was erciccione that changes the power levels / enabled the restrictions.. I think erciccione needs to take a break from being involved in monero social media. (Aka he needs to follow plowsof and resign). Guy needs a break or something 03:17:51 If koe wasnt even made aware whats going on.. 03:18:17 ooo123ooo1234567: indeed, a script to place 'all users into the desirables' and perhaps manually place them in the 'undesirables' list 03:18:29 If it wasnt erciccione.. well.. thats even more messed up. Who's the secret police in MRL 03:19:54 #1 its backwards 03:19:55 If the idea is to stop spam, why restrict emojis and force me to type my reaction 03:20:55 more like preliminary step before increasing level for writing messages, emojis is just the beginning 03:20:57 shall we be petty and quote every message we want to react to? 03:21:01 #2 how do even the people on the special list not know how they got there 03:21:01 #3 its supposed to paint a picture of "only if you agree with me" or some shit. 03:21:01 I dont like it. 03:21:18 plowsof[m]: Yes. Learn from the best of the best 03:21:34 😂 03:21:38 And react like this 03:21:51 ONLY the people on matrix see the reactions 03:22:09 so some moderator who uses matrix has an issue 03:24:03 Erc or Seth 03:24:08 Ercic is admin on matrix and irc... 03:24:09 Alright, ill shit on him for a sec. 03:24:09 Reading ccs and his answers and shit, I think hes a snake too 03:24:16 plowsof[m]: Seth is the ceo 03:24:29 Seth For Privacy: WAS IT YOU?! 03:28:36 Emoji-gate - to be continued 03:37:50 And not a snake because of the fumbling of haveno funds, but because of the slimy way he excuses himself via guilt trips, power trips, temper tantrums and id argue some bold faced lies as well.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/560efcb7be5a2fbf130d888c653c32f1e0f1321e) 04:52:37 https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1537997851300536320 05:05:16 Man getting mad that Monero actually utilizes research ... 05:05:38 Weird take but okay 05:07:46 imagine spending your life working on cool tech that will never ever see the light of day and then ranting on twitter at the people actually putting it to use 🥲 05:08:01 is grubles a blockstream dev? 05:11:27 idk it looks like he's just a random bitcoin afficiando 05:11:31 https://coin.fyi/news/bitcoin/completely-offline-bitcoin-transactions-satellite-gotenna-grubles-ao9yss 05:11:32 https://github.com/grubles 05:12:02 Monero got better, thats why ill never use it ! 05:18:38 Sometimes I think these maxis have bread instead of brains in their head 05:24:50 >sudo apt install brain 05:27:08 # apt install hsbrainfuck 05:32:24 MimbleWimble tho 06:16:24 He really just ran s/Monero/TheSuperiorCoin/g https://github.com/TheSuperiorCoin/TheSuperiorCoin 06:56:30 Hi all, from i've read from monero blog, there will be a network upgrade on 16th july and to handle this upgrade, it said v0.18 software would release on 16th june. But i haven't see v0.18 release yet on getmonero web. Any updated news? 07:05:02 Updated news is there will be a dev meeting on Monday about it. Binaries will be released a bit later. 07:14:31 ok, thanks for the info sech1 10:08:29 "r4v3r23: doesn't like influencer..." <- first 3 words are accurate 10:12:53 "https://twitter.com/notgrubles/..." <- hes a certified moron 12:51:34 > <@r4v3r23:matrix.org> > <@cryptogrampy:monero.social> https://twitter.com/notgrubles/status/1537997851300536320 12:51:34 > 12:51:34 > hes a certified moron 12:51:34 Monreo lol 17:45:25 https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn/mjs_dev_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c, "... submitted some bug fixed to the Monero GitHub repo, which apparently have been helpful." indeed, who would expect that real work may be helpful 17:48:42 "https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn/mjs_dev_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c", "... I cannot comment of his/her criticism of the C++ code or cryptography skills of other devs and researchers since I don't code in C++ nor am I a cryptographer.", "... but now I can utilize ... C++ skills and knowledge of the Monero code base to create certain pieces that are needed to move forward with the research." wow, utilizing 17:48:42 C++ skills (or lack of skills) in order to translate C++ -> python -> R - > math def for PDF, so efficient; certainly not a waste of time 17:54:14 "... It sounds like a huge unhealthy case of Codependency, if you ask me. ...", indeed, people with cryptography knowledge is unhealthy dependency for cryptocurrency project; it would be much healthier to depend on money-driven scammer / incompetent developers / private development of statistical defense which can't be even verified 17:56:17 as an incompetent developer I feel attacked by your comments 18:02:44 https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn/mjs_dev_report_mayjune_2022_33/icuiqvf/#c, "That's why my next CCS Proposal will be focused on MRL only, and its associated tsqsim project, which had been requested by u/Rucknium, yet it's still in an unfinished state." indeed, private development is the best place for scammers / incompetent deveolpers 18:04:18 privacy for scammers: no one can verify their work, privacy for users: no one can trace their financial activity; facepalm 18:06:39 ooo123ooo1234567:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c202d1d4f75cc3cfac51bcc133142f967ec3f029) 18:07:53 "I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't apologize for defending my basic human rights." 18:07:53 Talking about shooting people isnt a basic human right 18:12:49 "The same person has been attacking many other people too, but mainly those who cooperate with me in this or other way, especially in MRL - specialists who are paid twice as much as I do, essentially greatly wasting the money that YOU pay." indeed, criticism of 10+ C++ "specialists" that can't read code may lead to waste of their money; not clear though how it's related to project goal 18:15:14 "Luigi confirmed privately, that personal disputes are not a reason to influence the payments. ..." tsqsim - there are open-source alternatives / wasted, soloptxmr - there is open-source alternative / wasted, monero repo maintenance - 0 progress / wasted; indeed, personal disputes are not a reason, but there are many other reasons 18:15:27 * other reasons directly related to project progress 18:17:13 ooo123ooo1234567: Mj tells lies 18:17:34 I wouldnt waste my time responding to that political campaign that he calls a dev report 18:18:02 "https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/issues/55#issuecomment-1149427010", "I'm actually just starting with p2pool. Do you think that the PPLNS problem could be minimized by having just one low powered miner on all the time?" wow, mining "enthusiasts" learns about PPLNS rewarding scheme of mining pools after receiving funds for energy usage optimizer 18:18:53 Seriously ooo. Dont waste your time on him 18:18:57 https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/issues/55#issuecomment-1155652582, "I didn't realize that it was funded thru CCS, as I've stopped following what goes on there since in most cases it seems like just a grabbing bazaar without much return, so I am rather happy that you seem to be an exception there to actually produce something of real value AND put monero first." facepalm 18:23:54 "Mj tells lies" <- Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. "Strength in numbers". And the dev report being on Reddit is just mj trying to garner love from the community. 18:23:54 I doubt his next ccs gets approved. We'll see, but I doubt it. 18:25:13 * Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. Edit: and people who dont know any better (reddit, telegram etc users). "Strength in numbers". 18:25:13 And the dev report being on Reddit is just mj trying to garner love from the community. 18:25:13 I doubt his next ccs gets approved. We'll see, but I doubt it. 18:28:26 Just add verification / competition for each proposal and anyone competent will help to point out such scammers if goal is unreachable or implement the same faster / better 18:28:31 It's the same case as haveno frontend 18:29:31 > <@w:monero.social> Only people who side with him are his buddies or people who have also been targetting by you. Edit: and people who dont know any better (reddit, telegram etc users). "Strength in numbers".... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9df813ddeff697e1f6442f8d2bdb2577ffd7ffbf) 18:33:44 And they go as far as to be active members of MRL 18:41:44 https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/vf7bcn/mjs_dev_report_mayjune_2022_33/icug48t/#c, "thank you very much for your hard work! Dont listen to the haters. (haters should be banned from the monero gitlab. Only constructive criticism should be allowed.)" hard work; facepalm 18:46:43 I don't get what you're trying to accomplish here 18:47:30 is it the same as "I can't deduce your goal" ? 18:48:38 Siren[m]: There's fire behind the smoke 18:49:14 Bleeding heart political campaigns where people give you a shoulder to cry on, doesnt mean youre not ripping the community off 18:49:34 And abusing ccs for your own personal gain and little to no gain for moneron 18:50:55 ooo123ooo1234567: No but I'm starting to think you're in love with mj-xmr 18:51:31 The man has been meeting his milestones and documenting his work, progress 18:51:40 To be fair, yea ooo, I cant deduce your goal 18:51:50 Siren[m]: No he hasn't 18:52:03 Siren[m]: are you trying to deduce my feelings ? ; facepalm 18:52:04 w[m]: How come? Aren't you ooo's alt lmao? 18:52:16 Go read his review on 7760 18:52:24 Siren[m]: Yeah, im here talking to myself 18:52:38 And not understanding muaelf 18:52:50 Exactly. Im ooos alt. No 18:52:51 Mj is just in a panic 18:52:53 ooo123ooo1234567: If I took a shot every time you said facepalm I'd slip into a coma 18:53:29 Siren[m]: Ooo's has build up resistance. He doesnt even feel it when he facepalms anymore 😂 18:53:32 Siren[m]: "took a shot" what is it ? 18:53:33 > <@w:monero.social> Exactly. Im ooos alt. No 18:53:33 > Mj is just in a panic 18:53:33 How is he in panic? 18:53:51 Siren[m]: Read his dev report or hue review on 7760 or his death threats 18:54:08 All because he got called a scammer for not reviewing important code that he claimed he could write / review 18:54:38 w[m]: I hope you don't mean ooo (perfect-daemon)'s work by important code 18:55:00 Siren[m]: 7760 is exactly what mj days he reviewed 18:55:15 And says was a major vulnerability that ooo exposed for over a year 18:55:22 Fact: ooo fixed the vulnerability 18:55:29 Fact: mj didnt review it 18:55:54 ooo123ooo1234567: Bruh are you seriously larping as someone who doesn't speak english well when your other alt has broken english as well 18:56:10 Fact: when mj started his "review" he just shitposted on the pr 18:56:19 Siren[m]: Who is the other alt? 18:56:42 if we look at this situation impartially, a monero ccs recipient has produced an invoice, for contributions that he wants payment for , at his rates which i believe are 45 euro an hour. i have not read the full invoice but i have seen "1h" for attending a community meeting. 18:56:50 If im being honest, I song think ooo has ANY alts 18:56:57 He talks shit from his own account 18:57:12 it is now in the hands of core to pay up on the requested invoice , or not , or partially, who knows 18:57:41 plowsof[m]: And 4 hrs for compiling something 18:57:41 lots of frazzled accounting but regardless, he claims 7760 is a vulnerability and he did nothing about it 18:58:17 Siren: youbarent seriously saying multisig and the connection protocol arent important code ?1 18:59:56 Contructive critism is ok? 18:59:56 So why is ooos review of mjs work not accepted? 18:59:56 He detailed how each thing mj claims to have done was either done wrong, unnecessary or unrelated to monero 19:01:24 Its not ooos opinion. Thats mj's.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/500ddfca9fecd0c889a48dabfd96263ff5134f04) 19:03:37 oh boy, drama 19:03:45 Sock puppet, signing out for now 19:03:59 Ill start using my plowsof account 19:04:16 with it being the weekend / monerokon / devs busy with the multi sig audit thing, i guess this situation is going to 'build up' so we'll have to wait , at least a few days 19:05:06 i am even having to postpone my emoji-gate investigation now 19:05:18 the what now 19:05:49 Emoji-gate - only a certain list of people are allowed to leave emoji reactions in MRL 19:05:55 lmao 19:06:55 and those on that list of users are allowed to delete the comments of the 'undesirables' not worthy of leaving Emojis 19:07:27 I see, that's not good 19:07:55 so Emoji-gate is postponed until mid next week, i will keep you all updated on this important matter! 19:08:07 I would react, but.. 19:08:48 Or my Luigi1111w 19:12:54 Does anyone know who I talk to? I am not able to leave prescient emojis in mrl 19:13:13 me 19:13:16 not that i can help 19:13:30 I have significant research that can only be conveyed in emoji format 19:17:39 "Bruh are you seriously larping..." <- https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bruh%20girl; funny 19:22:14 "Does anyone know who I talk to?..." <- Moron 19:23:07 w[m]: 🦴 19:23:07 (Thats the response to the question in MRLounge) 19:23:08 oh 19:41:25 Just want to say i love all of you 19:42:01 And I just wanted to ask: Is it over now? There is hope, nobody wrote something for a while. 19:42:44 to be prices, what is it ? 19:42:48 Concepts like "the darkest hour" come to mind if I read here now 19:43:03 s/prices/precise/ 19:43:45 I learned something new today in this regard, I think you saw it also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning 19:44:09 Interesting concept 19:44:23 it's just an excuse for some people where it's appropriate, absolute bullshit 19:44:31 it was also mentioned once in the past 19:44:43 You rarely disappoint 19:45:02 chesterfield[m]: i think chesterfeild is a pretty cool guy. eh kill nocoiners and doesnt afraid of anything 19:46:11 But anyway, my own question is answered: It's not yet over :) 19:46:24 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/4229#issuecomment-415153012, rbrunner 19:47:31 The long arm of fluffypony 19:47:44 Reaching into the present 4 years later 19:48:38 Scammer goes to bed now. 'Night all. Read you tomorrow. 19:49:10 THERE ARE QUITE A FEW SEALIONS OFF THE COAST OF SOUTH AFRICA. IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME TO HEAR THAT FLUFFYPONY IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM. BACK IN MY YOUTH I ALMOST ENDED UP ON ANTARCTIC EXPEDITION BEFORE MEETING MY SECOND WIFE IN CAPE TOWN 19:49:43 SAW MANY WHILE IN TRAINING 19:51:13 JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I'VE BASICALLY LOST EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT WHILE LEVERAGE TRADING MY GRANDSON'S PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL FUND 19:52:01 WOWNEROCHAN IS BASICALLY ALL I HAVE LEFT AND I CAN BARELY LOOK AT HER WITHOUT CAUSING GREAT PAIN ON MY STENTS 19:52:43 lmao 19:54:23 "Scammer goes to bed now. '..." <- Why scammer ? 20:51:35 lol 20:56:44 "Does anyone know who I talk to?..." <- Hey fluffypony: can you look into this ^ 20:57:28 I think there's a per-channel flag that disables colours on IRC or something 20:57:30 that's probably on 20:57:34 if it's a Matrix then then idk 20:57:38 *matrix thing 20:58:13 On matrix, yeah. Someone changed matrix settings 20:59:43 ah yeah I have no idea who even moderates matrix 21:09:52 "if we look at this situation..." <- 28-04-2022 0.25h R: Change "Github" to "GitHub" https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8300  21:10:52 MRL meetings between 14 Apr and 15 May (excl 18 May) 4 Meetings * 1.25h = 5h 21:11:07 "https://www.urbandictionary.com..." <- exactly, that's why your alt account (w) is calling my main account (erciccione) a moron since from my alt account (this one) am a self proclaimed retard o.o, shit is getting all meta meta somethin somethin o.o 21:13:08 Hey, dont spin it. You (ercic) called w (ooo) a moron first 🍿 21:14:49 (I dont actually think erciccione) 21:15:25 think you are* 21:17:48 yea... that whole thing is just retarded, XMR2020 is one of those swamp creature or somethin yall 'muricans been sayin that be out there, that should be investigated and whatnot but nothing is ever being done anyways, so fucking dumb 21:19:23 Hey. There's some funny moderation going on round these parts too. Researchers cant emoji in mrl but non dev, non researchers can 21:20:19 like i been telling yall, the glowies have been infiltrating the the team from all side so they can control monero's narrative, it's 100% a psyop this is 100% not tinfoil at all, just sayin o.o 21:20:26 haha yeah, that emoji gate thingy :3 21:21:02 s/the/monero/ 21:40:48 Hello 👋 21:41:02 henlo o/ 21:43:36 Is there someone with lmdb knowledge 21:44:55 tbh, i dont know shit about anything, am retarded af but like, there's that saying (and its even a website) that be like "dont ask to ask, just ask" :3 21:46:48 Just asking 😂 I’m from the core team of qwc and we searching someone for the database 21:46:52 https://dontasktoask.com 21:46:57 LOL 21:48:13 Try @hyc 22:22:43 >dont ask to ask 22:22:44 wait until you meet https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki 22:22:50 s/deadbydaylight/nohello/, s/fandom.com/net/, s/wiki/en// 22:22:59 whoops 22:27:32 😂 22:27:54 Ok you guys are specially 22:27:57 😅 22:29:57 hyc is the developer / creator of lmdb , you can find him in #monero-dev:monero.social (i believe this room is not bridged to irc)