00:02:03 we would like to protect privacy of our users, but due to our incompetence it's better to forbid anonymity as a measure against spam; facepalm 00:03:42 yes i thought, i would just use a tor proxy but it was not allowed 00:04:52 you could register irc via matrix bridge and then use that via irc client 00:06:49 (intermediate conclusion: all irc users don't care about their anonymity) 00:07:16 Emojis 1 - IRC 0 00:09:29 plowsof[m]: come visit me and I will take you out to eat :) 00:12:15 Not pizza and donuts but someplace nice 00:15:39 nioc thats the most wholesome threat of a good time i've read all week, thank you 00:16:48 what? plowsof is on IRC? 00:17:08 you can cloak your hostname over at #libera-cloak. 00:26:26 test 00:31:35 test 00:35:01 test 00:35:20 loud and clear filthy [m] user ! 00:36:59 https://monero.observer/noot-completes-final-ui-milestone-eth-xmr-atomic-swaps-ccs-proposal/ 00:44:30 "loud and clear filthy [m] user !" <- it's visual problem of matrix bridge, on irc side there is no [m] 00:44:36 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20220625 00:45:03 hmm, can you check with real irc client ? 00:45:33 monerologs didn't show [m] even before 00:47:24 the [m] shows on irc unless you choose not to display it from matrix 00:49:03 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20220624, why this log doesn't have consistent [m] for all matrix users then ? 00:50:21 nioc: there is no such option 00:50:32 I only show you as not having the [m] 00:50:36 another person is posting from both matrix and irc 00:51:12 there was no special actions, even irc user was registered only within few hours 00:52:04 I am not familiar with matrix because I don't use it but there was discussion on how not to display the [m] several months ago 00:52:46 link ? 00:52:59 sorry I do not have it 00:53:52 even though your [m] does not show I do see that you are using matrix 00:54:05 https://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/IRC/Matrix 00:54:12 Remove [m] from your IRC ? 00:55:18 Open a private chat with @oftc-irc:matrix.org and tell it !nick irc.oftc.net NewNickGoesHere 00:55:18 See also: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/blob/master/HOWTO.md#changing-nicks 00:55:18 See also: https://opensource.com/article/17/5/introducing-riot-IRC for information about how to change your IRC nick (and more details in general on using chatting through Matrix). 00:55:29 `@appservice:libera.chat` can you try write something to this user plowsof ? 00:56:09 with the appservice thing i was able to view the #monero irc room 00:57:44 ok so we must start a private chat with appservice:libera.chat , and from here "!nick" should respond with options 01:01:11 ooo123ooo1234567 didn't have [m] from the beginning for some reason 01:03:47 would you consider hosting a virtual presentation at the next monerokon with the title ' How to evade bans on Matrix '? 01:04:34 not funny 01:05:26 you don't have [m] prefix too now 01:05:29 what have you done ? 01:05:36 * you don't have [m] suffix too now 01:06:25 started a pm with appservice and then `!nick irc.libera.chat plowsof` 01:07:28 it was probably enough to just start pm 01:09:21 the mods have stripped my emoji rights in MRL, i hope they allow me to not use the [m] in my name 01:16:14 "would you consider hosting a..." <- can you call at least 1 useful presentation ? 01:21:40 at the most recent monerokon? (they have uploaded 4 videos now, and i've only seen half of the first one) 01:22:38 "would you consider hosting a..." <- btw, this title is more suitable for that scammer without any bans 01:22:55 plowsof: there are slides 01:24:28 In general, there are a lot of questions to development/research, so no need to analyze derivatives of this. 01:25:45 you said my joke was not funny then you make a funnier more offensive one, well done 01:28:07 In general, ban isn't a solution for a project that is supposed to be decentralized 01:29:32 neither is "ignore" (if you are in a position of 'needing to know whats going on / who is saying what) 01:32:10 that means those are still using ignore are in a position where it doesn't matter what's going on / who is saying what 01:32:33 * means those who are still 01:34:03 In general, the only useful discussion is going on around some new problem / new solution 01:38:50 "https://monero.observer/noot-..." <- "At the completion of this proposal, there will be an audit-ready pre-production release of the ETH-XMR atomic swap software, as well as a pre-print paper outlining future improvements to the protocol." so whatever is available now could be used after finished audit without any additional changes 01:42:30 video demo is included here https://github.com/noot/atomic-swap/pull/91 01:43:58 full details here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/277#note_16905 01:50:15 It would be good to know price for proper end-to-end audit 03:38:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni1BfAxBnK0&t=4506 03:38:55 Some really really good content for Monero memes / videos here if anyone is interested 03:44:48 I'm too old to make memes. I could croak any second 03:45:21 I can barely look at a wownerochan without putting immense strain on my stents 14:58:43 "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v..." <- is it as bad as i think it will be? 15:17:53 adjusts microphone and doesn't mention Monero, and talks about investing in bitcoin-only projects, no shitcoins! 15:28:02 Moneros motto : we rent matrix servers and getmonero website and don't sponsor any developers directly with the general fund. When a third party pays for 3 months expenses we say thanks , when a 7kusd month 4 year drain on funds gets unclogged nothing happens . community members have to start their own funds to actually invest in the ecosystem still 15:29:29 "community members have to start their own funds " what is it ? 15:29:54 the MAGIC fund for example 15:31:26 if you want bitcoin to collect dust, we also have a BTC general fund wallet address 15:35:33 the main problem with MAGIC is that it isn't compatible with decentralization / privacy nature of this project and it's also disconnected from actual development 15:35:56 https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KTexdemPdxSBcG55heUuTjDRYqbC5ZL8H who paid a $44 fee to move btc out of the general fund wallet? am i reading this correctly? 15:37:46 true developers start from actual development, not from another centralized fund with KYC 15:40:05 that fund looks more like a try to build regular academic environment hierarchy around funding process, not sure why how it helps development of monero 15:40:06 s/why// 15:41:16 it is a tax deductible charity , the main selling point of MAGIC (so companies will consider donating then) 15:41:26 "community members have to start their own funds to actually invest ..." btw, donations for audit are closer to this category 15:42:11 plowsof: donations in xmr are already private by default 15:43:30 Kraken can donate to 'monero' without people knowing, but they want tax right offs 15:44:17 also alot of normal people who pay taxes, and donate to the general fund are not benefiting from any kind of tax right off 15:45:18 it's better to focus on actual development and it's problems, and only after that on everything else 15:46:01 monero can only function if the developers have well paying full time jobs already - and they 'do a bit of monero stuff' in their spare time 15:47:31 if you itemize your USA federal taxes you can write it off, in the US probably most don't itemize 15:49:58 now anyone can deduct up to $300 in charitable contributions they have made 15:58:17 waiting for audit so 2 projects can make money from something specifically being included in the hard fork (the only current financial reward related around the hard fork) 16:03:55 "monero can only function if..." <- No. Only spare time development outside of full time job doesn't produce competitive result 16:04:08 > <@plowsof:matrix.org> monero can only function if the developers have well paying full time jobs already - and they 'do a bit of monero stuff' in their spare time 16:04:08 * No. spare time only development outside of full time job doesn't produce competitive result 16:04:14 * no, spare time only development outside of full time job doesn't produce competitive result 16:05:02 we need good results from slaves 16:06:59 there is one ccs recipient who claims to have a full time job already that is billing for 30 hours / week but thats another story 16:07:50 sorry. 40 hours a week* 😆 16:08:10 it's better to start from project goal firstly 16:48:14 "waiting for audit so 2 projects..." <- any external help wouldn't bring any harm if there would be no problems with development process 16:49:18 "we need good results from slaves..." <- currently there is even no way to merge good result from slaves, since priority is set on blind merges of placebo PRs 16:50:29 "there is one ccs recipient who..." <- prove by contradiction that hourly based work can be abused easily ? 16:50:49 * abused easily in current environment ? 16:51:30 * proof by contradiction that hourly based work can be abused easily in current environment ?