00:01:06 <jberman[m]> Hmm... I feel like there is a solution here somewhere
00:01:06 <ooo123ooo1234567> funny that hyc commented about DoS development, but ignore any direct discussion about technical problems
00:02:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its hard to keep up. Moo left midway through. Im sure some stopped reading altogether
00:02:21 <ooo123ooo1234567> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Sometimes you get under peoples skin and force them out of character... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/bd51560e1daf96370c146a5313fb6e7fb2319d72)
00:05:40 <ooo123ooo1234567>  * I didn't even use f-words in public yet
00:05:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not the words you say, its how you say them.
00:05:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody likes to be spoken to in a demeaning manner. (Scammers deserve it, and talking about shooting people is inexcusable)
00:05:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gingeropolous swears all the time. No problem.
00:06:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> I say "nobody", but I mean - some people are reallllllly sensitive. 
00:09:23 <jberman[m]> I think everyone is interested in you helping improve multsig but it's hard to see exactly what can be done from here to lead to that outcome
00:09:31 <jberman[m]> You'd like a process better than hackerone, and you liked your discussion with koe pre-audit in -lounge
00:09:41 <jberman[m]> So, that's something.
00:09:45 <jberman[m]> Do you think the best move would be to publicly discuss it with koe?
00:10:06 <ooo123ooo1234567> conversation about multisig happened at the same time with that scammer
00:10:13 <ooo123ooo1234567> it's bad
00:11:08 <ooo123ooo1234567> idk
00:12:11 <jberman[m]> I mean this decision has to start with you, you are the one claiming to have information
00:14:36 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220517#c96541, "ooo123ooo1234[m]: It's a matter of basic decency. Oh look, my 'putting up with indecent behavior' meter ran out. Guess you'll need a new account if you want me to read your messages."
00:15:08 <jberman[m]> He'll read your messages :D
00:15:21 <ooo123ooo1234567> this discussion happened at the same time with talk about jeffro256 patches
00:15:30 <ooo123ooo1234567> I didn't ask UkoeHB to participate in it
00:15:42 <ooo123ooo1234567> you all were just attacking me and I responded to everyone
00:16:00 <ooo123ooo1234567> or I was busy with proving the point
00:17:11 <jberman[m]> well, here's where we are today. you in to try and discuss multsig vulns again?
00:19:20 <ooo123ooo1234567> it's the same case as with your review of that connection patch
00:19:30 <ooo123ooo1234567> I may tell everything earlier or wait until you will check it yourself
00:19:35 <ooo123ooo1234567> idk which way is better
00:20:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> I also don't know whether it motivates UkoeHB or dismotivate
00:20:41 <ooo123ooo1234567> competition brings more motivation for me
00:20:42 <ooo123ooo1234567> idk about others
00:23:38 <ooo123ooo1234567> I thought useless audit would be the last step they would try, but it wasn't
00:24:42 <jberman[m]> hmmm, trying to grok above -> how we can arrive at production ready multisig
00:25:30 <ooo123ooo1234567> I wanted to do bulletproofs++ on top
00:25:40 <ooo123ooo1234567> since finished with multisig
00:27:09 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20220701#c115208, did you read it ?
00:27:24 <ooo123ooo1234567> it's likely alternative without my work
00:27:35 <ooo123ooo1234567> i'm not sure whether you asked about my plan or current plan
00:27:39 <ooo123ooo1234567> * current plan of others
00:28:54 <jberman[m]> no didn't see that
00:29:32 <jberman[m]> haven't been following here at all, just jumped in for a second and saw that one message
00:39:00 <jberman[m]> Idk what to make of all that tbh. If you say you are interested in discussing vulns in multisig, I will let UkoeHB know as he is also very interested in discussing vulns :) and I also hope you find a way to contribute sustainably and that we all find a way to get along and make the code better/improve processes/improve as devs and all that
00:41:11 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220630#c113889, "now ooo asks all developers to waste time on some deadlock debugging which he already fixed. It's straight up malicious practice of stalling the development. Devs have other stuff to do right now." current attitude to questions
00:45:02 <jberman[m]> well it would be cool if you explained what the source of that bug is/how to repro/how exactly you found it so I can focus attention on other stuff that also matters (while still learning), but ya I started looking at this today cuz I assumed you're not gonna do that
00:47:00 <ooo123ooo1234567> are you abotu prev talk regarding connection patch / multisig problems / deadlock problem ?
00:47:02 <ooo123ooo1234567> not clear
00:47:11 <ooo123ooo1234567> s/are/is/, s/you/it/, s/abotu/about/
00:47:25 <ooo123ooo1234567> which one
00:48:02 <jberman[m]> gingeropolous' deadlock problem
00:48:48 <jberman[m]> that's what he's referring to there
00:49:56 <ooo123ooo1234567> "... so I can focus attention on other stuff that also matters  ..." what is alternative task for you ?
00:50:22 <jberman[m]> working through the source of this and hardening a solution: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8415
00:50:56 <ooo123ooo1234567> did you the source for that bug ?
00:51:03 <ooo123ooo1234567> * did you fnd the source
00:51:04 <ooo123ooo1234567> * did you find the source
00:51:06 <jberman[m]> yes
00:51:28 <jberman[m]> but I want to make sure the solution is sound which will take more investigation
00:51:50 <ooo123ooo1234567> too early to discuss in public ?
00:52:21 <jberman[m]> ya
03:54:03 <sethforprivacy> I'll be having a live Q&A tomorrow on YouTube for my podcast, would love to cover any Monero/cryptocurrency/privacy questions you all may have!
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03:54:37 <ooo123ooo1234567> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220627#c113359, how to setup quick dns over tor/vpn
03:58:24 <ooo123ooo1234567> * <del>https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20220627#c113359, how, * over tor/vpn</del>
03:58:30 <ooo123ooo1234567>  * (unrelevant)
12:08:01 <gingeropolous> i think i generally swear at inanimate things
17:00:09 <maki3000[m]> <spirobel[m]> "why do you like it?" <- Very late answer: it’s laravel and very easy and powerful…