03:08:16 <chesterfield[m]> Luigi seed tool maximalism
03:08:24 <al800[m]1> Seed generation is ok, specially if you use extra passphrase that create a key based on the seed + passphrase
03:08:53 <al800[m]1> That way if someone blackmail you for your ledger password, you can provide the decoy that only contain some change money
03:09:39 <al800[m]1> And if someone get hold on you're ledger recovery words, well, he won't get what's protected by the extra passphrase
03:10:12 <al800[m]1> I think Trezor also have that feature
03:13:41 <chesterfield[m]> Shut up and give me the passcode or I start taking fingers
03:13:54 <chesterfield[m]> > shines axe
03:19:41 <al800[m]1> Just provide decoy and if question asked why you're poor, just say you gambled it all on binance or something :)
03:21:56 <al800[m]1> Most people don't even know there is a way to set two pin (real and decoy, with is the one you get by default if you just enter the recovery seed)
04:29:59 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@busyboredom:monero.social> What's this community's sentiment on hardware wallets vs Tails persistent storage for keeping keys safe? 
04:29:59 <r4v3r23[m]> > 
04:29:59 <r4v3r23[m]> > The reddit half of this community doesn't seem to have much love for hardware wallets, and I'm wondering if that's true on the matrix/IRC side as well.
04:29:59 <r4v3r23[m]> HWWs are anti-privacy
04:30:26 <r4v3r23[m]> DIY or bust
04:31:19 <BusyBoredom[m]> Here we go, this is the criticism I was looking for 😂👌 So elaborate, why are they anti-privacy?
04:32:02 <chesterfield[m]> You order them from a company and your name is on a list
04:32:38 <chesterfield[m]> Beyond that, most people use ledger live etc and are connecting to the company’s nodes, exposing their ip
04:32:55 <chesterfield[m]> Diy hww is much better or something like sidekick
04:33:00 <chesterfield[m]> Btw when is sidekick coming out
04:34:03 <chesterfield[m]> Just buy the ledger for cash on crai- holy fuck where is my money it’s all aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04:37:55 <r4v3r23[m]> <BusyBoredom[m]> "Here we go, this is the criticis..." <- they scream "I OWN CRYPTO"
04:42:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> Haha, alright these are pretty legit criticisms. 
05:18:27 <monerobull[m]> You know there's this list with name and address and phone number of people who bought a ledger before 2021
05:19:23 <monerobull[m]> Still, HWWs are important to secure your coins from malware
05:25:39 <al800[m]1> <monerobull[m]> "You know there's this list..." <- That list is incomplete
05:26:56 <al800[m]1> That aside, just buy it on the local market or something. Type random pin 3 time so the thing self reset and generate a new seed
05:27:39 <al800[m]1> Using with Monero it can be quite secure and won't leak more than not using one
21:00:15 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 127: June 30 - July 7, 2022. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-127.html
22:29:47 <chesterfield[m]> https://twitter.com/1440000bytes/status/1545156091813629952