07:01:47 <r4v3r23[m]> Morpheus: thanks for the chart updates. can you add monero
07:02:10 <r4v3r23[m]> * add monero's pruned size to the blockchain chart?
09:02:55 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> 
09:02:55 <bridgerton[m]> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/621366094531133461/999239963549909072/unknown.png
09:02:59 <bridgerton[m]> <𝙲𝙴𝚁𝚄𝙻𝙴𝙾𝚄𝚂> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO where is the m1 binary aaaaaaaaa
10:47:23 <Morpheus[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "Morpheus: thanks for the chart..." <- Hey bro. Sure, pruned block chain size is on my To Do list already, but it might take a while before I plot it. Does anyone have any idea how could I get this number without having to run a node myself?
10:48:00 <Morpheus[m]> I would be very happy if there's some external data source for that xD
11:20:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Morpheus[m]> "Hey bro. Sure, pruned block..." <- Run a node :D 
11:21:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://monitor.ditatompel.com/d/xmr_metrics/monero-metrics?orgId=2&refresh=1m&from=1658294501039&to=1658316101039&viewPanel=12
11:22:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://monitor.ditatompel.com/d/xmr_metrics/monero-metrics?orgId=2&refresh=1m
11:22:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can get all sorts of useful data just by running a node :D
11:25:33 <Morpheus[m]> Nice to know. Thanks, man. I'll probably have to run one indeed. XD
11:26:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can run nodes on android devices (phones, TV boxes, tablets)
11:26:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> So you dont need a dedicated high power device or anything like that 
11:27:14 <Morpheus[m]> I'll try to run a node inside the server itself, it might just take some while before I do that
11:27:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just adequate storage (rec 128gb for pruned 512 for full. To prepare for steady increases in tx volume etc. The bigger the better as there will be less write cycles )
11:27:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you have a spare android device, fire one up to play with 😝
11:28:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/nahuhh/android-termux-monero-node/releases/tag/master-beta
11:29:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pretty much a yes yes yes ok stop asking me proceed
11:29:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Install
11:29:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Semi automated using prompts)
11:29:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tor setup requires no port forwarding etc 
11:36:28 <Morpheus[m]> Thanks, bro
11:36:40 <Morpheus[m]> Very nice community we have here
11:54:58 <sech1> dEBRUYNE is there still no post about v0.18 release in r/monero? Or did I messed up my filters :D
12:27:50 <adhisimon[m]> <sech1> "dEBRUYNE is there still no..." <- Delayed again?
12:29:04 <plowsof> its released. debruyne was probably asleep when it happened, im sure he will announce when he reads the msg 😃
12:29:32 <plowsof> unless someone wants to farm precious updoots before him 
12:29:49 <plowsof> we're talking serious updoots here 
12:33:13 <plowsof> did no one announce it here? x.x
12:33:13 <plowsof> https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-GUI-0.18.0.0-released.html
12:33:13 <plowsof> https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-0.18.0.0-released.html
12:47:28 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/w3leuc/cli_gui_v01800_fluorine_fermi_released_scheduled/ 👍️
12:52:09 <sech1> dEBRUYNE GPG signed hashes point to 0.17.3.2
12:52:14 <sech1> in the reddit post
13:03:33 <eudaimon36[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> did no one announce it here? x.x
13:03:33 <eudaimon36[m]> > https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-GUI-0.18.0.0-released.html
13:03:33 <eudaimon36[m]> > https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-0.18.0.0-released.html
13:03:33 <eudaimon36[m]> Trying to figure out how to update my Ledger to use this latest GUI (it instructs me to do so). Nothing listed on Ledger's site. Suggestions?  
13:05:05 <sech1> Ledger software is not ready yet
13:06:39 <eudaimon36[m]> sech1: Any rumors on when? Wish I wouldn't have updated. 
13:06:46 <al800[m]1> Just use older GUI client (it still work with 0.18 node) and hope ledger release it on time this time.
13:07:01 <eudaimon36[m]> lol
13:07:08 <eudaimon36[m]> ok
13:08:17 <sech1> Ledger has 3 weeks until the fork
13:08:25 <eudaimon36[m]> as a side, why isn't it a part of Ledger live? is this owing to the privacy feature? it just can't be a part of that
13:10:33 <al800[m]1> https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/commits/master
13:10:33 <al800[m]1> Last commit in Feb 4 lol
13:11:42 <al800[m]1> eudaimon36[m]: Would you trust them for a wallet app?
13:11:42 <al800[m]1> It's not some random surveillance coin.
13:11:46 <eudaimon36[m]> So that is NOT good news
13:12:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, bother ledger 
13:12:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> If they think their users dont care, they wont work
13:12:43 <al800[m]1> https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/pull/110/commits
13:12:43 <al800[m]1> There is a pull request for the view tag
13:12:50 <eudaimon36[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> Would you trust them for a wallet app?
13:12:50 <eudaimon36[m]> > It's not some random surveillance coin.
13:12:50 <eudaimon36[m]> I see.
13:13:03 <al800[m]1> so you can pull the repo, apply the pull request localy and build the application yourself
13:13:21 <eudaimon36[m]> Oh, Jesus, no I certainly can't, LOL!
13:13:24 <eudaimon36[m]> haha
13:13:49 <eudaimon36[m]> still a ways away from that level
13:14:07 <eudaimon36[m]> As I joke, didn't know a router from a modem four months ago.
13:14:29 <eudaimon36[m]> I'll harass Ledger or change cold wallets 
13:23:09 <eudaimon36[m]> So if you use Ledger Live Manager to install applications for a coin, that creates a hot wallet on the platform? And since this is not something Monero users would want, the app isn't available there?
13:25:42 <al800[m]1> eudaimon36[m]: Probably something like that.
13:25:43 <al800[m]1> You would not want the monero wallet engineered like all the other Ledger Live wallet (I think it send the public key on the server and scan for the TX you own or something like that).
13:25:43 <al800[m]1> Doing the same thing with Monero would blow of the "Privacy" part
13:27:14 <al800[m]1> So they would have to make a different live wallet just for monero, at that point, just make the ledger app and let the monero peoples integrate it to the Monero wallet instead
13:27:39 <eudaimon36[m]> I just installed their latest firmware update and it deleted my Monero wallet anyway, so...
13:42:45 <dEBRUYNE> sech1: Thanks, fixing
13:50:20 <sgp_> sech1: who made the cool graphic? :)
13:51:54 <sech1> what graphic?
13:53:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> <gnuteardrops[m]> "I created one for v18: https://..." <- ^^^
13:54:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://monero.graphics/assets/img/gfx/monero-gui-v-0.18-concept-design/monero-gui-v-0.18-concept-design-800x800-transparent.png
14:14:43 <monerobull[m]> <gnuteardrops[m]> "I created one for v18: https://..." <- Very voolz
14:14:48 <monerobull[m]> * Very cool
14:53:24 <garth> At some point we should release version 1.0
14:53:31 <garth> Maybe with Seraphis
14:57:43 <zoom0ut> bitscorn is not on 1.0 yet
15:08:25 <eudaimon36[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "If they think their users dont..." <- Bothered them. Not sure they cared even then. Web support had no idea, and Discord support just ignored me.
15:08:35 <eudaimon36[m]> Looks like switching from Ledger.
15:17:34 <selsta> eudaimon36[m]: trezor users will also have a couple days where they can't transact
15:17:53 <al800[m]1> Ledger code seam to be done, They probably just wanted to wait for the Monero release so they can test and validate it before releasing there app.
15:17:53 <al800[m]1> As long as they release before the fork it will be fine.
15:18:30 <eudaimon36[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> Ledger code seam to be done, They probably just wanted to wait for the Monero release so they can test and validate it before releasing there app.
15:18:31 <eudaimon36[m]> > 
15:18:31 <eudaimon36[m]> > As long as they release before the fork it will be fine.
15:18:31 <eudaimon36[m]> That's good to know. I wish their support team knew it.
15:45:22 <selsta> dEBRUYNE: we have new mac binaries, can you update your post?
15:45:35 <selsta> for CLI we now have separate Intel and ARM binaries
16:06:58 <garth> Move versioning to 1.0 upon inclusion of Seraphis protocol https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/721
16:29:38 <sgp_> <monerobull[m]> "Very voolz" <- Awesome
18:45:30 <sethforprivacy> Now that v0.18.0.0 is out, we need to notify exchanges and wallets ASAP to be sure as much of the ecosystem as possible is up to date before the fork!
18:45:30 <sethforprivacy> If you use one of these wallets/exchanges (or not!) and have a few minutes to reach out to them it would be a *huge* help to the Monero community.
18:45:30 <sethforprivacy> You can find the list here, please do not reach out to the ones already marked off, and feel free to tag me here once you've contacted one (or comment in the issue) so that I can check them off):
18:45:30 <sethforprivacy> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/690
18:46:09 <sethforprivacy> For wallets, mentioning this tag will usually be most helpful: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/release-v0.18
18:46:09 <sethforprivacy> For exchanges, mentioning this blog post will be most helpful: https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-0.18.0.0-released.html
18:46:32 <sech1> I put a warning on p2pool.io :)
18:47:04 <sethforprivacy> sech1: Thanks 😄
18:54:34 <sech1> Why laugh, I have 1500 page visits/month :D
18:55:57 <sethforprivacy> Heh, it wasn't a laugh, was just the dumb emoji translation in Matrix! Was supposed to be the : D excited face
18:56:29 <selsta> sethforprivacy: should we update DNS for CLI only for now?
18:57:02 <selsta> since Ledger is still incompatible with v0.18 it might be better to wait with activating the GUI auto updater
18:58:08 <sethforprivacy> selsta: Probably a good call
18:58:17 <sethforprivacy> selsta: Annoying that this breaks existing code pre-fork
18:58:28 <sethforprivacy> It shouldn't require the new version until >fork height 😕
18:58:35 <sethforprivacy> I didn't realize that's how it worked
18:58:46 <selsta> Ledger version locks their app...
18:58:59 <sethforprivacy> Yeah...
20:03:33 <selsta> sgp_: is this proposal still relevant? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6688
20:03:43 <selsta> or can it be closed?
20:04:24 <sgp[m]> selsta: It's still relevant, but consensus seems to point towards not adopting it
20:04:38 <sgp[m]> I maintain it would be a privacy enhancement, but it comes with some complexity
20:05:13 <selsta> and after seraphis?
20:14:25 <sgp[m]> <selsta> "and after seraphis?" <- I'm not 100% sure, but I don't see why Seraphis would be any different. Perhaps even smaller gains percentage wise, but otherwise the same
20:45:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> <sgp[m]> "It's still relevant, but..." <- I think its worth looking into, especially if p2pool adoption outpaces transaction growth or ring size
20:45:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive seen some transactions recently with 3 or 4 coinbase ring members 
20:46:09 <sgp[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I think its worth looking into, especially if p2pool adoption outpaces transaction growth or ring size
20:46:10 <sgp[m]> > Ive seen some transactions recently with 3 or 4 coinbase ring members 
20:46:10 <sgp[m]> It's arguably less important with p2pool
20:46:46 <sgp[m]> So you have a coinbase output. This normally goes to a pool only, or solo miners
20:47:13 <sgp[m]> Then you have pool miners, who could get a coinbase "+1" output
20:47:38 <sgp[m]> * Then you have pool miners, who could get a coinbase "+1" output
20:48:30 <sgp[m]> Without p2pool, one knows miners won't ever actually spend coinbase outputs. Just coinbase +1. Only pools would realistically spend coinbase outputs
20:49:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pool generates a lot of 0/1 (for each miner), or am I wrong?
20:49:14 <sgp[m]> Actually idk how p2pool works. Who gets the first coinbase output?
20:49:45 * sgp[m] checks p2pool docs
20:50:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good question.. ^^ thanks ill see what I can find too
20:50:18 <sgp[m]> Okay my impression was right
20:50:29 <sgp[m]> Take block 2671670
20:50:58 <sgp[m]> There are 91 coinbase outputs that go directly to "retail" miners
20:51:45 <sgp[m]> So, because of p2pool being adopted, it's convincing to say you could have spent a coinbase output as a normal person
20:52:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup, my mistake 🙃
20:52:27 <sgp[m]> <selsta> "and after seraphis?" <- It can be closed not because of Seraphis, but because of p2pool. I'll close with a comment
21:19:28 <sech1> sgp[m] 377 outputs here: https://xmrchain.net/tx/785b2c4325ade249f8f45d2a9ae4fec5437e5d820ac8cc70c6fe0f2e9765f873
21:20:22 <sgp[m]> That's a lot of outputs