05:23:56 <plowsof> The Monero GUI takes 10 seconds to start syncing (you see 'Connecting'... after opening your wallet). Its fixed now thanks to  selsta  who found/implemented the method that tobtoht uses in Feather .  Pull req here:https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/3994 
07:24:34 <r4v3r23[m]> wen feather as official gui
09:14:04 <nikg83[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "wen feather as official gui" <- When it supports starting localnode 😅
10:41:34 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> When v0.18 for cake 😦
10:42:23 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> Adds cake pay but not v0.18 … I see I see sneaky huh hahaha
11:09:50 <zoom0ut> The current block height is 2,684,346. Fork height is 2,688,888. 4,542 blocks to go, happening in approximately 151.40 hours.
11:48:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<joshhavepigdog> When v0.18..." <- This week 🍿
11:49:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> ios v0.18 is done, android and then release im guessing..
11:51:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<joshhavepigdog> Adds cake pay..." <- 😅 I had similar sentiments.
11:51:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should have released v0.18 first or delayed cakepay until v0.18 was ready. My 2c (I shared with cake but was late, train had left the station)
12:03:43 <evalda[m]> Haha I checked all my wallets to make sure v0.18... All good 😅
12:18:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> GUI and feather are good
12:18:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mobile wallets = none yet 
12:19:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Full wallets)
12:19:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mymonero is and I'd assume edge and exodus as well
12:23:43 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> I didn’t catch that by using cake pay with gift cards you actually get a discounted rate from the merchant/store ? I wonder how they are able to offer such an advantage for purchasers?
12:24:05 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> I still am skeptical of cake pay, but the discount makes it a slightly more tempting tradeoff
12:28:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> bridgerton[m]: Bulk gift card puchases would sound like the deal here 
12:28:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> bridgerton[m]: Lmao 🥲 youre the worse 
12:30:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Save 3% on McDonalds... ayyyeee I'll use compromise of my ideas for that!
12:30:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ideals*
12:32:09 <plowsof> Could people sell cake giftcards on local monero? 
12:47:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pretty sure 
12:48:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its just a barcode :P
12:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> The cool thing about the cards is that its like an offramp, cutting out the bank and exchange (cake is the middleman/exchange) and offering lower (or negative) fees 
12:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 0 slippage? 
12:57:16 <zoom0ut> McDonalds gift card?  yuck   
12:57:22 <zoom0ut> get something useful for you montero >> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-6.html
12:59:29 <zoom0ut> s/for/with
12:59:37 <zoom0ut> or both
15:17:30 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> 😅 I had similar sentiments.
15:17:30 <r4v3r23[m]> > Should have released v0.18 first or delayed cakepay until v0.18 was ready. My 2c (I shared with cake but was late, train had left the station)
15:17:30 <r4v3r23[m]> they dont make money off of the hardfork
15:18:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> T-minus 5 days to release and hope it reaches everyone
15:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Auto updates are ok, but a lot of monero folks dont mess with google play. IMO a mandatory update with a timeframe vs a feature update with strict release timeline, makes nonsense to rush out the feature release..
15:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Example...
15:22:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Joshpigdog guy is totally confused why we has to update for v0.18 and even skeptical but 3% off on McDonalds gift cards has him more than ready to upgrade
16:17:08 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> Lol that is not my position
16:17:39 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> I was just ignorant as to why updating PRIOR TO the fork is beneficial
16:18:36 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> And if my understanding is correct, the rationale is that upgrading pre-fork keeps your wallet balance up to date on the correct chain (not showing dated data) and keeps you from having to sync more past blocks.
16:19:34 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> Upgrading to the correct chain is essential in Monero. I understood that even prior to my questioning. It’s just the emphasis on updating pre-fork which I didn’t understand.
16:19:59 <BusyBoredom[m]> The biggest reason to upgrade pre-fork is that if you forget and send monero after the fork from an old wallet, you'll be transacting on a sidechain which can severely harm your privacy. 
16:20:07 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> I just said it was slightly tempting. I’m pretty dogmatic so the cake pay thing is not all that interesting.
16:20:18 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> Ah yes there is that aspect too
16:20:27 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> Good point. I appreciate you reminding me of that
16:21:42 <BusyBoredom[m]> transacting on a fork* not a sidechain. Just woke up, brain still mush.
16:22:27 <bridgerton[m]> <joshhavepigdog> All good man. I understood what you meant. I’m not too large of a stickler for the precise tech word. I’m a rube myself anyways
18:32:38 <zoom0ut> wen gift cards to buy morenero
18:43:06 <vikCake[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> ""comply first" is baked into the..." <- what?
18:43:21 <vikCake[m]> <zoom0ut> "wen gift cards to buy morenero" <- soon?
18:47:46 <vikCake[m]> > <@r4v3r23:matrix.org> "comply first" is baked into the cake
18:47:46 <vikCake[m]>  * what? what are you talking about?
18:55:25 <selsta> vikCake[m]: used the monero.com wallet for some testing the past days and it worked really well. only once i noticed a bug where wallet sync was slow and it got fixed by adding a second node.
18:56:01 <selsta> did you get reports about this before? i'm quite sure the node itself wasn't the issue, it seemed like a wallet bug
19:10:44 <monerobull[m]> <selsta> "did you get reports about this..." <- Cake always used to be quite slow in syncing before i switched to my own node. I just thought it's because of their node getting so much traffic and might be limited 
19:11:38 <aremor[m]> Mine has always been very slow to start syncing
19:12:46 <selsta> monerobull[m]: it was my own node the whole time
19:13:13 <monerobull[m]> selsta: Hm ok
19:13:14 <selsta> sync speed is always fine for me, it was just one time where it suddenly was 10x slower
19:13:55 <monerobull[m]> I just synced 1.5 k blocks in like 3 seconds 
19:16:05 <aremor[m]> monerobull[m]: That usually takes me about a full minute and I’m on a fiber line 
19:17:33 <selsta> either you have a really slow phone or you are connected to a bad node
19:17:42 <selsta> it should only take a couple seconds
19:18:47 <jwinterm[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Cake always used to be quite..." <- Random remote nodes on monerujo has been pretty bad lately
19:21:31 <aremor[m]> selsta: iPhone XS Max 
19:21:55 <selsta> aremor[m]: can you try seleta2.featherwallet.net ?
19:22:04 <selsta> selsta2.featherwallet.net
19:22:19 <aremor[m]> Just recording my sync. 800 blocks in 30 seconds.  Plus I actually had to clip some of the video because my pin was on there and then I accidentally showed my transactions. So more like 40 seconds.
19:22:31 <aremor[m]> recorded*
19:23:08 <ArticMine[m]> r4v3r23: The Cakepay form you quoted opens a privacy can of worms.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4dcec0cab13bda00b63828ed2adce01148873f30)
19:24:42 <aremor[m]> selsta: Sure. Just have to wait for about a 12 to 24 hours so enough blocks can pile up I presume 
20:17:23 <vikCake[m]> > <@articmine:monero.social> r4v3r23: The Cakepay form you quoted opens a privacy can of worms.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/04ef4b8bede268867ed76b8f77e75e1fafaf888c)
20:18:47 <vikCake[m]> <selsta> "vik (Cake): used the monero...." <- Thanks for the feedback.  I wonder if the 0.18 will improve the sync issue.
20:19:59 <vikCake[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> 😅 I had similar sentiments.
20:19:59 <vikCake[m]> > Should have released v0.18 first or delayed cakepay until v0.18 was ready. My 2c (I shared with cake but was late, train had left the station)
20:19:59 <vikCake[m]> we were working on 0.18 parallelly with cake pay.
20:20:22 <selsta> vikCake[m]: it only happened once and so far wasn't able to reproduce it again. v0.18 nodes will definitely be more stable
20:21:28 <vikCake[m]>  * we were working on 0.18 in parallel with cake pay.
20:24:05 <ArticMine> vikCake[m] As I commented in my previous post, I strongly suspect that the responses to the US Federal Form imply non compliance with the GDPR and Canadian Privacy law. I strongly legal advice on this. 
20:25:41 <ArticMine> In particular my concern is with with the "marketing" and affiliate sections in https://ionia.docsend.com/view/jaqsmbq9w7dzvnqf
20:29:05 <ArticMine> The US approach to privacy is to force disclosure, and in effect put the onus of enforcement on the individual. I would be very surprised if this privacy policy does not lead to strong "enforcement" by the Monero community 
20:32:43 <ArticMine> I strongly suggest legal advice, especially for the EU, Canada and possible California for starters.
20:36:22 <ArticMine> As a result of the above I cannot support or endorse Cakepay
20:37:29 <ArticMine> This of cpurse has nothing to do with the non custodial functions of Cakewallet
20:52:51 <ArticMine>  r4v3r23[m] Thanks for bringing this to my attention