00:17:33 <sgp[m]> <selsta> "did you get reports about this..." <- We get slow node reports all the time, but honestly it's hard to tell what the specific issue is in most cases. Sometimes certain regions have especially heavy loads
00:18:43 <selsta> it seemed like a wallet bug to me, but like I said it only happened once and I'm not able to reproduce
01:27:11 <ArticMine> Here is an EU article explaining GDPR consent requirements. https://gdpr.eu/gdpr-consent-requirements/
01:28:21 <ArticMine> "Consent must be freely given
01:28:54 <ArticMine> “Freely given” consent essentially means you have not cornered the data subject into agreeing to you using their data. For one thing, that means you cannot require consent to data processing as a condition of using the service. They need to be able to say no. According to Recital 42, “Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent wi
01:28:55 <ArticMine> thout detriment.”
01:29:00 <ArticMine> "
01:29:58 <ArticMine> Now read the Cakepay privacy policy in light of the above to see the issue
01:31:11 <ArticMine> Canada and many other countries are following the EU on this. 
07:10:39 <r4v3r23[m]> ArticMine: im not versed in the legalities, i just see a sleazy business practice. thanks for digging deeper
11:16:50 <plowsof> Supporters of Monero Moon, please post your positive messages/thumbs up on his proposal (comments are mostly negative at the moment) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/336
12:23:25 <vikCake[m]> <ArticMine> "“Freely given” consent essential..." <- Thanks.  We will talk with Ionia about it.
12:23:33 <r4v3r23[m]> im cool with funding something live MO since its continuus work to constantly update the site with whats going on
12:23:38 <r4v3r23[m]> s/live/like/
12:23:52 <vikCake[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "ArticMine: im not versed in..." <- He didn't say anything was sleazy.  Will look into his concerns with Ionia.
12:24:28 <vikCake[m]> * about it and get back to you and the rest of the community.
12:25:12 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof: are there any other news that ask for funding besides MO/MM?
12:25:23 <r4v3r23[m]> revuo knows not to because no one will fund such a low effort copy pasta job
12:41:01 <plowsof> r4v3r23: theyre the only 2 newsletters on ccs (i left my opinion in the comments there, which is negative).   
13:14:42 <monerobull[m]> Does anyone have an idea how to launch the monero.fail docker?
13:15:23 <monerobull[m]> I can get to the page but it shows no nodes in database yet, doesn't let me add any and when i go to map i get file not found error
13:15:46 <monerobull[m]> And it's missing "./data/map_peers.pkl"
13:34:54 <chesterfield[m]> Did you follow the readme/setup instructions
13:41:07 <monerobull[m]> Yeah, they aren't really helpful 
13:42:10 <monerobull[m]> For example, i have no idea what i need to change in the config.py
13:49:27 <monerobull[m]> Bruh i wanted to remove monero.fail and start over
13:49:38 <monerobull[m]> Removed monero 
13:50:04 <monerobull[m]> Node is still running. Hmm
13:58:45 <monerobull[m]> I still have an abandoned copy of the chain i can copy in there so i hope i can restore this quickly
14:29:39 <monerobull[m]> My poor SSD. First directory didn't work, need to copy it one folder deeper
14:47:14 <monerobull[m]> Phew
14:47:38 <monerobull[m]> Recovered chain is only 2 months behind, way better than syncing from zero
14:48:00 <monerobull[m]> I knew it was a good idea to not remove the old copy :P
14:55:44 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> still takes a looong time to sync right?
14:56:16 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> didnt run my node for 9 months.. its a pain in the a to sync
14:56:39 <selsta> use v0.18
14:56:51 <selsta> should take less than a day to sync
14:58:15 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> Im still on 0.17.. maybe I should update. last time i synced it took a freakin week
14:58:29 <selsta> don't use v0.17 lol
14:58:42 <selsta> it will be way slower for sync due to missing checkpoints
15:01:06 <evalda[m]> My node struggles to sync over 49%... That's in Whonix over Tor... It's been 3 days like this... It syncs a little bit then doesn't sync for a while, then syncs a little again and doesn't for a long time... Anyone were able to full sync over Tor?
15:02:34 <monerobull[m]> My 41k blocks look like they will take about 40 minutes 
15:03:19 <monerobull[m]> Not sure which monero version, used the docker-monero-node with grafana 
15:03:28 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> 😄 was a while since I fired it up.. gonna get v0.18
15:04:44 <monerobull[m]> I'll copy a backup to my hdd once I'm done. Don't want to resync from zero for the fifth time
15:05:27 <nioc> nothing but 0.18 will work starting Sat
15:05:52 <nioc> The current block height is 2,685,203. Fork height is 2,688,888. 3,685 blocks to go, happening in approximately 122.83 hours.
15:11:11 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> good thing I joined here then!
15:19:15 <chesterfield[m]> <evalda[m]> "My node struggles to sync over 4..." <- Percentage is simply based on block height, and has nothing to do with block size.  As time has gone on, blocks have gotten larger with more use.  The later percentages are much larger blocks.
15:19:47 <chesterfield[m]> Are you using a modern computer or something like a raspberry pi
15:20:34 <evalda[m]> chesterfield[m]: Thanks for your reply... I am not sure I understand... I thought 100% means fully synced, 50% means half way... No???
15:21:19 <evalda[m]> chesterfield[m]: Modern computer but with Whonix on Qubes... I think Tor is the problem... 
15:21:20 <chesterfield[m]> It means halfway based on the time Monero started to now
15:21:49 <evalda[m]> chesterfield[m]: Yes
15:22:12 <chesterfield[m]> Blocks were much smaller when Monero started as there was lower usage.  It might be 20GB for the first half of the chain and 100Gb for the latter half
15:22:20 <chesterfield[m]> I just made those numbers up but just to give you an idea
15:23:02 <chesterfield[m]> Tor is very slow.
15:23:13 <Lunar[m]> evalda[m]: evalda's running a Linux VM on a Linux host? 😱
15:24:48 <evalda[m]> Lunar[m]: Haha Xen host... Yes you got me!
15:25:04 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> does --block-sync-size n have any impact on syncspeed? say I put n as 100, or 500..?
15:27:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
15:27:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> >100 doesnt work in my experience 
15:27:55 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> at least it went from "Synced 2472325/2685205 (92%, 212880 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 20.1 days left)" to "Synced 2472632/2685213 (92%, 212581 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 3.2 days left)"  Im just gonna leave it running and see where Im at in a while..
15:27:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/>/greater than* /
15:29:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> I usually use 5,20,50 for initial sync 
15:29:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Slower devices = smaller number 
15:30:46 <chesterfield[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: How long does it take you to sync a full over tor
15:30:51 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> yeah.. but Im running on a razer blade, its no raspberry pie 😛
15:32:31 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> why would you sync over tor tho? cant you sync clear, and then run it over tor?  if its slow I mean. or you just really dont want your isp to know about your monero project? 🙂
15:35:04 <evalda[m]> bridgerton[m]: Mostly because I am monero noob... Is there an easy way to sync over clearnet and transact over Tor?
15:38:54 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> I was just thinking initial sync clear, then go tor
15:39:23 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> tbh clear sync is driving me nuts, cant imagine doing it over tor 😄
15:40:16 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> 9.7 month behind, 2.8 days left.. fml
15:42:31 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> using like 1% system resources ... 😭 id be happy to allocate 70% if i just could
15:43:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> <chesterfield[m]> "How long does it take you to..." <- On android about 1.5 days
15:43:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Using internal storage 
15:45:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pretty much same speed as clearnet
15:45:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I get about 800kbps-1.2Mbps down over tor, but verification is my bottleneck 
15:52:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<kryptonight> using like 1..." <- What processor and are you using an hdd or ssd
15:52:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> max-concurrency=4 is default can set to a different number to use more/less cores
15:53:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Default. You* can set
15:53:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> If an HDD, nothing you can do but wait 
16:03:58 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> i got i7-9750H 6cores/12threads
16:04:28 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> but using usb3 hdd.. so I guess thats where the problems comes then
16:08:01 <evalda[m]> One thing I noticed it blocks some IPs often... Is it normal??
16:19:06 <selsta> it depends, IPs can be blocked if your internet connection is too slow
16:21:40 <msvb-web> We are giving away hundreds of hardware wallets at Defcon. If you're interested in Ledger, Trezor, Bitbox (model 2), or Kastelo (enclosures) then go to the Cryptocurrency Hackers area in Caesars Forum (Defcon) on Friday to Sunday. There are some conditions, but we have a lot of merchandise so it should be great. It's the thirtieth birthday (DC30)
16:21:40 <msvb-web> on Friday to Sunday at Defcon in the Caesars Forum. Time to get your tickets.
16:22:52 <msvb-web> There are a lot of other things like free O'Reilly books and a lot of Monero/Defcon branded merchandise like what was distributed at Konferenco.
16:23:10 <msvb-web> It won't be available online, you need to walk to the Cryptocurrency Hacker area.
16:25:06 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> 😅
16:25:54 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> Mmm hw wallet giveaway at defcon 👌 😁
16:26:25 <aremor[m]> Make sure to flash your own build on to them before you use them
16:26:46 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> Heheh 👍
16:30:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> @kryptonight yeah, probably the HDD. 
16:30:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> I get sync times of > 1 week on hdd
16:31:18 <aremor[m]> <selsta> "aremor: can you try seleta2...." <- It was even slower today; a full minute. I’m not able to delete the default node it seems. 
16:32:14 <bridgerton[m]> <kryptonight> Made a conf file and some tweaks so im down to 2 days now.. I can live with that I guess
16:32:46 <selsta> aremor[m]: which node?
16:33:07 <selsta> 1500 blocks should take like 3-4s
16:41:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta: I have a wallet that is 48k blocks behind
16:41:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Download from my node is usually 7Mbps 
16:41:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> So this should sync up in ~2-3 minutes? 
16:42:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> ( I can test now, just want to know where im aiming)
16:42:18 <selsta> if everything works as it should yes
16:42:43 <selsta> and assuming your phone SoC isn't too old
16:43:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kk. Using cake wallet BTW.
16:43:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can sync a node in 1.5-2 days on this device 
16:43:15 <aremor[m]> <selsta> "aremor: which node?" <- Yours and xmr-node.cakewallet.com 
16:43:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill be back with in a sec with some numbers..
16:44:49 <selsta> aremor[m]: yes but which one did you connect, not which one did you have in your list
16:46:02 <aremor[m]> selsta: I don’t know where cake wallet displays that 
16:48:55 <selsta> the node you are connected to has a blue font
16:50:33 <aremor[m]> Hmm ok. I think it was cakewallet but I’ll check for tomorrow
16:58:08 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (146KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/FTwYnfdJqcRRkCNxBucIRqgZ/Imagepipe_341.jpg >
16:58:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 280mb, 10min 14000 blocks
17:00:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> V18 node v17 wallet 
17:04:12 <selsta> will also do some benchmarks
17:07:34 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: 1:26 to sync 14k blocks with cake
17:08:37 <selsta> so would be a bit more than 4min for 40k blocks
17:11:17 <selsta> wonder why there is a 7x speed difference
17:12:34 <xmrscott[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "revuo knows not to because no..." <- Not just that, but the writer has previously lied about why Cake Wallet pulled their sponsorship of him, and he got called out publicly for it and they called him a crazy racist https://twitter.com/vikrantnyc/status/1403036355735789583
17:12:34 <xmrscott[m]> "If Cake Wallet pulled sponsorship, why should anyone fund him when there are better news alternatives" would be raised in the proposal and he'd like to keep it on the down low going by his deleting of his tweets
17:15:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> <selsta> "ofrnxmr: 1:26 to sync 14k blocks..." <- On ios?
17:15:19 <selsta> yes
17:15:36 <selsta> with a remote node, not in my local network
17:16:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill try with your node
17:19:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> <selsta> "wonder why there is a 7x speed..." <- sgp: 
17:20:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> * sgp: ^
17:24:59 <selsta> i wonder if there are still bugs in monerod
17:25:30 <selsta> just tried scanning 60k testnet blocks, one time it took 18s and next time it took 6s
17:25:40 <selsta> or maybe monerod had the blocks cached?
17:28:53 <rbrunner> Exactly the same 60k testnet blocks I guess?
17:29:17 <selsta> yes
17:30:18 <rbrunner> Yeah, that's strange. Of course you may download the bulk of the blocks from different daemons with different speeds, but a factor 3 is hard to explain away that way
17:30:55 <selsta> no, wallet scanning
17:30:58 <selsta> not daemon syncing
17:31:05 <rbrunner> Ah, ok, sorry
17:31:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is a noticable pause during download on android 
17:31:34 <selsta> wanted to test view tags on testnet with a remote node
17:31:41 <rbrunner> I don't know of any cache for blocks inside the daemon
17:32:23 <selsta> 60k blocks in 6s is quite nice :D
17:32:31 <selsta> but yes that's testnet
17:32:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Network traffic goes from 7Mbps for 1-2seconds  > 15kbps for 3-5 seconds > blocks update > repeat 
17:32:38 <rbrunner> Because most of them are empty anyway
17:32:49 <rbrunner> Sometimes there are 20 transactions a day or so
17:33:14 <rbrunner> Today I see 5 over the last 10 hours
17:33:32 <rbrunner> Not much speedup possible through those clever viewtags that way :)
17:34:01 <selsta> rbrunner: I have been running your 3 to 1 rpc patch, seems to work well
17:34:10 <selsta> we should decrease the CLI refresh time to 20s
17:34:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im only doing 14k mainnet blocks in 10 minutes.
17:34:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds similar to aremor:  numbers 
17:34:17 <rbrunner> Good to hear, thanks
17:35:12 <selsta> the GUI wallets currently have a 10s refresh time
17:35:35 <rbrunner> Really? That's fast.
17:36:03 <rbrunner> If you have a big pool will keep the daemon and the wallet busy shuttling all those txs around
17:36:25 <rbrunner> I mean a big pool at some moment, e.g. because no block for a long time
17:39:10 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: they have an iPhone, though a couple years older than mine
17:40:22 <selsta> would be cool to write remote node benchmarks
17:41:02 <selsta> e.g. only checking how fast blocks get sent from a remote node without doing any client side processing
17:45:03 <monerobull[m]> <selsta> "60k blocks in 6s is quite nice..." <- That sounds very nice. My 40k took like half an hour 
17:45:17 <selsta> monerobull[m]: i'm talking about wallet scanning
17:45:27 <monerobull[m]> Oh, testnet 
17:45:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: what wallet
17:46:41 <monerobull[m]> Oh ok i was talking about my node
17:46:56 <monerobull[m]> Wallet does like 600 transactions in blocks of a few seconds 
17:53:43 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: are you sure that max-concurrency is 4 by default?
17:58:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant remember where I read it, but read it recently. Ill see if I can find it
17:59:15 <selsta> seems to be 0 by default, and 1 on macOS?
17:59:29 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet_args.cpp#L46-L51
17:59:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerodocs shows 0(number of cores).. so I likely got it off a stackexchsnge answer (perhaps old)
18:07:07 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: oops, I looked at wallet concurrency :D
18:08:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😅😅 im still not sure where I got 4 from 😅😅
18:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/9a124f681119855949f6406ecd69c2ad91da9770/src/rpc/daemon_handler.cpp#L472
18:09:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is this it?
18:11:26 <selsta> no idea what that even is
18:11:31 <selsta> 4 times the amount of supported threads
18:11:52 <selsta> / if we couldn't detect threads, set it to a ridiculously high number
18:11:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope. Thats rpc.. (?)
18:11:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/search?q=concurrency&type=
18:11:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think it might be max 😶‍🌫️. Honestly not sure
18:15:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think thats referring to the following lines... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/522d3d42dc2d1fc464df28edf5f24484cfca26d4)
18:15:42 <selsta> yes
18:16:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> #mystery-concurrency
18:17:51 <selsta> I wonder if https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/976 is still relevant
20:42:58 <zounds[m]> has there been discussion previously of moving the monero repos to a self hosted git? tornadocash just got their repo axed 
20:49:41 <aremor[m]> More than their repo. Anyone connected to it
20:49:42 <aremor[m]> Someone please help me though. What is tornado cash?  I don’t fuck with eth…..
20:49:42 <aremor[m]> It’s custodial?
20:49:46 <selsta> zounds[m]: but wouldn't monero's hosting also get down in case of sanctions?
20:51:20 <selsta> we do currently have full backups for git
20:51:49 <selsta> including issues / pull requests etc
20:52:15 <xmrack[m]> Maybe Ipfs? Torrent?
20:57:43 <jozsef[m]> Or outside of the US? E.g., codeberg?
21:01:19 <aremor[m]> This seems to be huge. Still trying to understand the significance: https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/wja66n/tornado_cash_has_been_sanctioned_by_the_us/
21:03:10 <zounds[m]> yeah I guess my thought is literally host it in Dr Kim's room or something. definitely has its own issues though
21:03:47 <zounds[m]> I'd offer but I can only guarantee 30% uptime at inconsistent intervals 
21:03:50 <jozsef[m]> Also, based on gtlab's terms of service, could they simply point to noncompliance of exporting strong cryptography from the US and close ban repos? Didn't check, but probably same for github(?) But as tornadocash's example shows, that argument is not even necessary.
21:03:50 <zounds[m]> good to know about the mirrors though
21:12:26 <aremor[m]> Ok this is more than just getting pulled off GitHub.  It means anyone interacting with it has broken a law and could be jailed.
21:13:34 <aremor[m]> I can’t gauge the level of overreach without first understanding what Tornado Coach is.
21:18:19 <bridgerton[m]> <BobbedBort> > This seems to be huge. Still trying to understand the significance: https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/wja66n/tornado_cash_has_been_sanctioned_by_the_us/
21:18:19 <bridgerton[m]> If the addresses themselves are also sanctioned, would that mean that you are a criminal if you accepted eth that has interacted with that address?
21:19:46 <zounds[m]> it's kind of a mixer on eth
21:20:12 <zounds[m]> I think its nor than that but that's its primary function 
21:31:39 <aremor[m]> > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> <BobbedBort> > This seems to be huge. Still trying to understand the significance: https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/wja66n/tornado_cash_has_been_sanctioned_by_the_us/
21:31:39 <aremor[m]> > If the addresses themselves are also sanctioned, would that mean that you are a criminal if you accepted eth that has interacted with that address?
21:31:39 <aremor[m]> Yeah that seems to be the case bobbedbort
21:34:09 <aremor[m]> Got some info. It’s decentralized and non-custodial. Bruh I’m getting the impression, this sets precedence for slapping this label on any piece of software; whirlpool for example and entire cryptocurrencies
21:38:58 <aremor[m]> They’re labeling parts of the internet as being illegal…. Sorry if it seems like I’m spamming. my mind is blown. The implications…. I never knew this previously already happened to blender.io…. So what does this mean? Your ISP under normal circumstances knows what you’re interacting with.  So VPNs are required 100% of the time now? 🤯
21:39:38 <monerobull[m]> Tornado and blender were in a way a service, monero is an asset 
21:40:39 <aremor[m]> Decentralized just like a blockchain
21:42:01 <monerobull[m]> Decentralized service ≠ decentralized asset
21:42:58 <nioc> https://twitter.com/bantg/status/1556712790894706688?s=20&t=8Tz7y4Gg1onyd2fJ8b-S3A
21:43:55 <aremor[m]> I’m not seeing a difference and these agencies will label it whatever they want it to be to accomplish their goals. 
21:43:55 <aremor[m]> But I will calm down for now because today it’s not Monero but bruh….. OPSEC is **TOP** of mind at this point.  
21:45:13 <aremor[m]> Not trying to fear monger but I feel like they could label Monero as this whenever they want. Plan accordingly
21:46:05 <monerobull[m]> "Anonymity-enhancement technologies create challenges for investigators attempting to trace illicit proceeds. For... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/af26d69b9c0c104c8b7a6ac8868c5d7cb0af92e2)
21:46:38 <monerobull[m]> Aka monero = Asset, mixer = money transmitting business that had to adhere to BSA
21:48:48 <monerobull[m]> s/had/has/
21:52:07 <zounds[m]> they'll redefine whatever whenever the time comes 
21:58:01 <xenu[m]> <zounds[m]> "they'll redefine whatever..." <- I'm in agreement, but if they are going to redefine things then this is going to affect all cryptocurrency and not just Monero. 
22:32:30 <xmrscott[m]> <aremor[m]> "They’re labeling parts of the..." <- This is not new. Entities that illicitly serve up content like stolen SSN can be legally taken down and seized, and the operators arrested
22:33:29 <xmrscott[m]> Monero is unlikely to be taken down similar to Tor is unlikely to be taken down
22:34:27 <xmrscott[m]> Tornado here was warned several times by the US Treasury, so if for some reason Monero is gone after there would be advanced warning
22:35:23 <xmrscott[m]> And even then that doesn't really enforce mining or physical cash and XMR trading
22:36:05 <monerobull[m]> Man i was just thinking about how i might actually put some xmr into usdc should we hit ath again and now they mass-freeze wallets like that
22:36:15 <monerobull[m]> Did dai ever get frozen?
22:36:43 <monerobull[m]> I know it's like 70% usdc 
22:48:00 <gonbatfire[m]> All "stable"coins are doomed
22:48:05 <gonbatfire[m]> CBDC competitors
23:07:13 <silverpill[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Did dai ever get frozen?" <- DAI in your wallet can't be frozen but they can freeze USDC held as collateral, I think that will destabilize system and DAI will lose its peg