00:34:53 "they'll redefine whatever..." <- This 00:35:58 "I'm in agreement, but if they..." <- Ultimately Only the ones they decide to sanction 00:46:35 "Monero is unlikely to be taken..." <- The government funds TOR. We can only guess why that is 00:49:13 "And even then that doesn't..." <- lol it is LE and crimination. It means, if you’re caught at that point, jail time. So if you refuse to stop you have to worry about your OPSEC 100% because it’s illegal at that point. 00:52:19 And yet Tor is employed by various well trusted and established platforms like QubesOS or the recommended platform Bisq. If anything gov should then take down i2p given it competes with a supposedly gov ran Tor. Point stands 00:53:09 "The government funds TOR. We can..." <- Without tools like Tor, how would NSA/CIA etc cover their tracks? 00:54:44 "lol it is LE and crimination..." <- The thing is that these aspects of digital cash applay to any crypto. It would mean anybody using non kyc bitcoin with whirlpool and paynyms would be violating this, or zcash zk snarks, or litecoin mimblewimble, etc. Feds are going to go after all non kyc crypto if your doomsday scenario is correct. They wouldn't just go after monero. 00:54:52 s/applay/apply/ 00:55:04 Monero of course does it best, but that doesn't mean elements of privacy aren't found in other projects 00:57:09 xmrscott[m]: Yes they should. The guides I read say place no trust in TOR. Use VPN, VMs, and randomly generated MAC addresses, No persistent storage, the full 9 when **contemplating** needing full privacy on TOR. 00:58:45 "Without tools like Tor, how..." <- Protects against non sophisticated users yet not against the NSA itself….. 00:59:36 xenu[m]: I said this 01:03:48 If Monero is criminalized it means it’ll only be useful for underground stuff. And we can forget all grandiose ideas of having public circular economies. That’s depressing to me but the one bright side is that the price would stop fluctuating so much due to exchanges 01:05:43 Depends on your threat model as to Tor vs VPN; VPNs 100% know your true IP 01:06:56 If you do journalism/whistleblowing, Tor is the recommended method in all guides I'm aware of 01:07:08 End of the day, it’s not a versus. It’s a both. Just depends how you combine them 01:10:48 Even the ISP to the VPN shouldn’t be yours. And the MAC shouldn’t be the original either. Even as just a journalist that can be a death sentence in many countries. Long story short TOR isn’t enough because you don’t know how infiltrated the entry and exit nodes are. 01:41:10 https://electriccoin.co/blog/us-treasury-announcement-eccs-engagement-on-policy-for-economic-freedom/ 01:41:21 lol zcash is like pls don't sanction us 01:52:22 🤣 01:52:48 they want to give me cookies, how generous 01:54:16 Zcash is compliant and fully compatible with global AML/CFT standards, including all final FATF recommendations, the European Union’s Fifth Anti-Money Laundering Directive, and the United States’ Anti-Money Laundering regulations. It is approved by the New York State Department of Financial Services (NYDFS), a key requirement for listing on major exchanges, like Gemini and Coinbase. 01:56:37 In 2020, ECC commissioned the RAND Corporation to conduct research into Zcash usage for illicit purposes. The research revealed no evidence of any substantive use of Zcash for money laundering, terrorism financing or trade in illicit goods and services. 01:56:50 that's right, nobody uses it 02:02:46 Sad, but true. 02:03:01 For Zcash that is 02:06:01 Lol selsta: jeezzzzzzz 02:43:57 hi 03:40:29 "hi" <- hi 06:16:19 .zooko 08:21:43 > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Not just that, but the writer has previously lied about why Cake Wallet pulled their sponsorship of him, and he got called out publicly for it and they called him a crazy racist https://twitter.com/vikrantnyc/status/1403036355735789583 08:21:43 > "If Cake Wallet pulled sponsorship, why should anyone fund him when there are better news alternatives" would be raised in the proposal and he'd like to keep it on the down low going by his deleting of his tweets 08:21:43 clear victim complex 08:37:51 what was cake sponsoring r4v3r23[m]? 09:27:06 plowsof: given the recent controversies around cake (cakepay privacy policy, monero.com, etc) and growing user frustration at their practices, i think we should have a meeting to discuss grievances and reassess cake's place in the community 09:27:35 there is only so much sponsoring they can do to hide issues under the rug 09:27:56 or you could just...use a different wallet 09:27:57 lol 09:28:12 yeah no shit buddy 09:28:30 I ain't ur buddy, pal 09:28:36 then fuck off 09:28:44 okidoki 09:29:45 lets remove the freewallet warning too since users can "just use a different wallet" 09:31:03 no one uses freewallet anymore anyway so warning is just a waste of space 09:31:06 but I'm fucking off 09:34:31 or you could just...use a different wallet 09:34:31 xDD 10:09:47 Wookeywallet, is this recommended? 10:12:00 https://github.com/WooKeyWallet/monero-wallet-android-app/issues/10 10:18:49 r4v3r23: moo made a a PR to remove cake wallet from getmonero which sums up the sentiment of the anti cakers. I think Core have enough to make a decision on 'listing monero.com' .. theres also another option to change how wallets are listed on getmonero (ercicione made an issue of his suggestion) e.g make it clear which wallets call home. A meeting to recap everything would be nice 10:30:23 The joke (coincidence?) with the monero.com pr.. during conversation it was noted that monero.com was listed as an official website by coingecko. 10:30:23 Coingecko was notified > monero.com removed > then coingecko opened a pr on getmonero.org for priority listing of coingecko.. 10:30:23 Why would be endorse coingecko when they, not 24hours prior, were directing users to the wrong website. 10:30:34 Why would we* 10:30:50 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (76KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/HBjBrCKuRIbOUrmNpYEDVfso/Imagepipe_342.jpg > 10:37:45 https://monero.observer/moneromooo-monero-submits-pr-remove-cake-wallet-from-getmonero.org/ 11:17:11 how do we get this funded? I made a reddit post a few days ago which resulted in about 1.5xmr being donated 11:17:13 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-6.html 11:37:49 I was confused a bit why cake wallet’s monero only wallet is call monero.com 11:42:08 was just checking the monero-gui channel and after receiving help this is the comment a user left >> 11:42:08 thank you so much for your help, and your work on the monero gui, and your work for the monero community, you truly are a gem, the monero community is so lucky to have you around selsta seriously 11:48:11 Why does everyone dislike Cake so much? Is it as private and secure as the GUI? Likely not. Is it easy as hell to use enabling complete noobs to get involved in Monero? Yes. 11:49:08 Some people live to kvetch 12:06:23 Imagine if Cake becomes our version of Blockstream 🤣 12:07:23 Still no v0.18 for cake :/ 12:07:31 " Why does..." <- its pure garbage 12:07:55 cant believe monero users stand for this kind of app 12:07:56 Cake better push v0.18 prior to the fork lol 12:08:08 Why is cake so bad though? 12:08:17 It's a decent mobile wallet 12:08:37 And they support the ecosystem quite a bit 12:09:08 They ping their servers the moment you open the app and apparently refuse to implement and opt-out option 12:09:29 "Refuse" in the sense that the fix was done but not merged 12:09:39 they bribe the community for support via sponsorships 12:09:52 then slyly try to co-opt the monero brand 12:09:57 all while gathering users data 12:11:25 s/and/the/ 12:11:28 Could you further elaborate on what “pinging their servers” means? 12:11:48 They collect all user IPs or something? What is the scope of this tracking behavior? 12:13:14 monero needs more wallets 12:13:26 better wallets 12:13:43 The app ping cake servers to get fiat exchange rates n' stuff 12:13:49 Potentially harming users privacy 12:16:15 Issue:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/98dc116b53e172832f067429ca6cba3a886b0c71) 12:17:06 (Message by ofrnxmr) 12:18:43 What is the maximum information they can collect on an end user? 12:18:58 Isn’t it just their IP address? 12:19:35 I supposed that could give them the time and approximate location of each user that open the app each time 12:19:45 Ah I see time and selected currency as well 12:20:04 Location? How would they get that information? 12:20:47 Can't you get that info by knowing the IP? 12:21:15 I have no idea honestly, but you can read the github issue 12:21:57 * the IP? (If user doesn't use a vpn) 12:22:06 IP can be traced right back to your name and address provided you ISP cooperates. 12:22:53 I suppose 12:23:10 That’s inherently true of almost all internet usage though 12:23:33 To avoid that you have to avoid de-anonymizing yourself and exclusively use TOR / I2P 12:24:11 Monero has put a lot of effort into making it not true for monero. That's why we have dandilion++ built right into monero 12:25:20 Let’s say the US puts the death penalty on Monero usage. How could one prevent the government from knowing that you are using it under this extremely risky circumstances? Would you exclusively transact over TOR? What about I2P? Or would you have balls bigger than Epcot and still transact over the clear net just to fuck with the government? 12:26:20 This is true. Still people have to realize the privacy implications of not running their own node and using their own rather than another’s remote node. 12:26:35 If using monero at all were a crime (regardless of what you use it for) then yeah dandilion++ won't save you and you'll have to connect your wallet to a TOR or I2P node to be safe. 12:26:59 Would you personally use TOR or I2P? 12:27:37 I already do :) 12:27:41 I’ve heard recently that Dark Net Market infrastructure is gradually shifting toward I2P, due to the Feds constantly fucking with TOR’s entry and exit nodes 12:28:05 TOR seems to have an easier user experience imo 12:29:32 TOR is still fine, there's no actual case of deanonymization from the feds attempts yet. They're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks someday. 12:29:36 But yeah I2P seems to be growing 12:31:08 So I2P is a full TOR replacement? 12:31:12 Or ideally we should use both? 12:32:05 I2P is a full replacement. You can't connect to clearnet sites through it though, it's a walled garden in that regard. 12:32:49 TOR lets you connect to clearnet through an exit node, but I2P doesn't have exit nodes so clearnet access has to be done through specialized bridges. 12:34:45 Thanks for the info, i prefer it to be walled garden actually, I have a tendency to fuck up these kind of things 😅 12:36:02 "If using monero at all were a..." <- whats the point of d++ then 12:37:35 I'm guessing it protects the privacy of your transactions, while TOR/I2P would protect the privacy of you using Monero at all 12:38:01 Ahhhh, so using TOR and EXCLUSIVELY connecting to onion services helps in lowering one’s attack surface as you don’t ever even need an exit node, since you never need to connect to a clear net site. Is this above reasoning / threat modeling correct? 12:40:07 d++ is supposed to hide origi IP of your tx 12:40:15 gonbatfire[m]: yeah 12:43:30 @joshhavepigdog yes, exclusively connecting to onion services massively reduces your attack surface. There's very little meaningful difference between TOR and I2P if you stick to hidden services only. 12:44:33 That information is very useful for threat modeling. Thank you so much. 12:46:45 One potential UX issue with TOR and Monero is that sync times take ages if you are restoring a seed. Would it make sense to keep your wallet file on a seperate usb/hard drive, then connect it every now and again over TOR to sync? What files would one need to have on the hard drive to prevent from having to rescan from restore height every single time? 12:50:14 Assuming one wanted to keep one’s wallet file located on an external usb or drive from the device that is connecting to TOR? 12:52:59 Sync times are improving a ton in the next hard fork, so hopefully that kind of workaround isn't necessary. 12:54:04 Background syncing is also a WIP. 12:54:59 In my exact case, given my current hardware set up and other limitations. My access to TOR would be on a different laptop each time. In this case, how could I keep my wallet “up to date” while keeping it on an a USB stick? 12:55:43 Josh. The issue with the calling home to cake wallet servers is VERY noticable if you run your own node 12:55:56 If you run your own, your connections should look like this: 12:55:56 LOCAL 12:56:49 What files do I need to have on the USB stick? Should I just store the entire Monero GUI there? What about the wallet.keys file? I just would like to know the total amount of files I need on the USB, so that my wallet will “save the last block scanned” that way when I next connect it doesn’t take as long? Sorry if my wording is jumbled here 12:56:55 I have a Tails USB with the monero GUI wallet installed on the persistent volume, so you could do that. 12:56:55 Instead, im calling home to cake over the internet BEFORE I even attempt to contact my own node running on an internal network. 12:57:50 What if you can’t create a persistent volume? Have you ever had trouble updating your persistent volume where when you update TAILs it fucks up your persistent files? 12:58:03 Yes this is pretty fucked up 12:58:28 But until we get a better version of a Monero mobile wallet this is the cost of easy UX for Monero mobile users. 12:58:32 My main issue is that: I opened the issue, instead of fixing they changed the privacy policy 12:58:44 Haha 12:58:44 Then kept pushing more features and broken updates 12:58:47 That is fucked up 12:58:48 Like wtf is this corporate bs. 12:58:55 I agree that’s pretty horrible 12:58:57 I've never had updating tails mess up my files. That would be pretty inconvenient I agree 12:59:49 How long have you been running this set up? I was averse to setting up a persistent volume because I’ve had so many issues with TAILS drives crashing WITHOUT even using the persistent volume feature. 13:00:02 So I’m risk averse in that regard. 13:00:39 My setup is quite possibly easier 13:00:55 What would the advantages of having a wallet on a TAILS persistent drive be versus having the wallet files stored on an isolated USB stick that never touches anything, but the GUI over TOR? 13:00:58 Simply run monerod-in-termux master beta, tor mode 13:01:01 Tell me more 13:01:13 Then connect to the resulting node over onion or lan/wifi 13:01:17 If you can't create a persistent volume then just put the monero gui right on a normal USB I guess, your seed is encrypted anyway. 13:01:17 I've been using this setup for many years with bitcoin, and for ~6 months with monero. 13:01:20 I can’t understand this 13:01:40 Android node, everything is preconfigured for onion and lan access 13:02:34 Biggest prerequisite is storage space >64gb, preferrable 128/256 or greater for pruned/full respectively 13:02:39 What trade offs would there be between having the GUI and wallet files on a normal unencrypted USB (of course the wallet file is password protected upon connecting to the internet or opening on a laptop) versus having a TAILS persistent drive? 13:02:50 None 13:03:11 Wallet files are encrypted, you can do the full tor setup without tails 13:03:40 Can you use a wallet on the same android device too? I’m constrained on the number of devices I have access too. 13:04:16 You can, but I dont. I rub my nodes on tablets, and an old android 7 phone 13:04:58 Gotcha 13:05:59 When the day comes that severe Law Enforcement abuses begin to happen on Monero clear net users, I will get fully setup with some sort of persistent volume likely with TAILS 13:06:15 Monero can be fucked. 13:06:19 It will happen unfortunately soon unfortunately. 13:06:30 By this you mean? 13:06:59 Hyc and others were talking about encrypted p2p channels or anonymity networks allowing fullsync, this is necessary 13:07:25 I thought I heard somewhere that Monero’s network couldn’t operate exclusively over TOR and relies slightly on clear net infrastructure, if this is true and government goes full 1984 crackdown things get spicy for us vs them really quick. 13:07:43 Yes 13:07:43 Currently service providers can block p2p monero traffic pretty easily iirc it was jeffro256: that spoke on it 13:08:00 This should be a priority IMO because this battle is coming to our doorstep within the next 5 years 13:08:12 That’s fucked 13:08:26 Correct. Its currently not enable to allow incoming connections or to do any block syncing over hidden services 13:08:33 Even if you run your node as a hidden service? Your ISP can still fuck with you? 13:08:48 Oofff 13:08:50 Hidden service doesnt do blockchain sync 13:08:56 That is bad 13:08:57 Really bad actually 13:09:07 Way bigger bug then multisig lmao 13:09:18 Not bigger 13:09:27 And same devs working on both :( 13:09:50 So basically there will always have to be some guy with the balls to say fuck you to the government and run a full node over the clear net, even if they put his neck on the chopping block for doing so? 13:09:59 Yep 13:10:07 Alright. 13:10:09 I’ll be that guy 13:10:14 Always. And he must have a LOT of incoming connections 13:10:14 Because the buck stops here 13:10:23 I hate the fuckkng governemnt. 13:10:32 This is the hill I die on. 13:10:44 I don’t want my kids to live in 1984 13:11:15 > What trade offs would there be between having the GUI and wallet files on a normal unencrypted USB (of course the wallet file is password protected upon connecting to the internet or opening on a laptop) versus having a TAILS persistent drive? 13:11:16 I just use the Tails USB because I want to protect my wallet from any potential malware on my computer while in use. 13:11:32 Which is why some of us run clearnet vps nodes. 13:11:32 Sooner or later we will move to or enable anonymity network block sync, just have to do it in a way that doesnt cause chain splits. 13:11:32 I2p for example doesnt communicate with clearnet. 13:11:46 I really hope a solution comes up prior to the next hardfork. Even if we can just get monerod to fully run as a hidden service that will probably be enough at least for the next 5-10 years right? 13:12:16 I2P seems a bit shit relative to TOR 13:12:31 The problem is that L E is getting better at attacking hidden services 13:12:35 Fucking feds 13:12:51 Good use of taxpayer dollars 🤡🤡🤡 13:12:59 There was a ccs for afganistan outreach. 13:13:08 What about it? Seems like a waste 13:13:12 One of my main reasons I couldnt supoort it, is monero can easily be banned on the internet there 13:14:00 You get s bunch of women to work illegally and dox themselves because of no encryption in the p2p channels... scary 13:14:30 When you say “run a clear net vps node”, what exactly does this mean? I don’t want to deanonymixe you here, but is this a node you host at your geolocation or a node you host with a hosting service in Iceland or some shit? I would like to know because the day approaches where I will need to do something similar. 13:15:09 The Afghanistan proposal was a load of shit 13:15:18 Hosting service 13:15:18 The guy would’ve just stolen the funds 13:15:19 Dumbest shit I’ve seen in a while 13:15:36 Basically paying for some fast server to support clearnet connections since my home network isnt nearly as stable 13:15:55 So I can come here and ask you guys what hosting service you use that tolerates risky behavior when the day comes that I need it right? 13:16:09 @Josh 🥲 be nice. Spirobel is easily offended 13:16:35 Doesn’t this also protect you from law enforcement as well? Because they can come bust down your door and put a cap in your ass? 13:16:53 It doesn’t reveal your geolocation by using a hosting service in a different country right? 13:17:00 If you use a VPS that accepts monero and doesnt require id, of course 13:18:18 This is going to sound a bit crazy, but are there any good resources to learn how vendors / admins avoid compromising their OPSEC when trying to host these sorts of things? 13:18:19 These exist right? 13:18:47 So the smartest thing to do OPSEC wise if one’s threat model is they will kill you if they find out you are running a Monero node is to use VPS that accepts Monero with no KYC? 13:18:50 Basically common sense. 13:18:50 Use monero + dont give id or connecting info (same email you use elsewhere), and connect to manage the server over tor 13:19:12 It’s that simple? 13:20:55 And connect to the server over tor, that part is important. 13:21:05 Its not btc ln, so not 60 step process. But yeah, basically dont dox yourself during purchase or connecting and use a VPS that doesnt want to dox users (accepts xmr etc) 13:21:05 And you could provide me with a link to such a service that accepts Monero at a future date when gov finally stops showing us mercy and goes full tyrant mode? 13:21:59 > > <@ossaix:matrix.org> Any recommendations for a VPS service, that can be paid with XMR for hosting cloud node?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2366bf2c303319110b34bffc77f156e34038836f) 13:22:12 And you could give me a link to such service in the future? Right now I’m ok operating over the clear net because the gov is still enjoying its power and is less concerned with safeguarding their power. 13:22:28 Perfect thank you for the list much appreciated 13:23:36 If you run a VPS can you enable other people to connect to said service as well? The same as you would if you running your own node on your own personal hardware? Like Seth for privacy’s node that he lets others connect to? 13:24:44 Seth and the like are most likely on a vps 13:26:33 So it really is best practice to use a VPS hosted elsewhere in the world. Just a solid move OPSEC wise for a variety of reasons. Right? Otherwise if there is some leak in geolocation it could lead attackers to your doorstep? 13:28:25 And things really get ugly for the Monero network if these hosting services are shutdown, either out of fear or by force from Law Enforcement right? Because then it leaves one with only the choice of running a node on their own hardware. Is this train of thought correct? Obviously the scenario described here is hypothetical and an extreme, but that could be a future situation we face? Or no? 13:28:59 Then were on our own and have to run with targets on our backs > like tor exit nodes 13:30:21 The idea would be to stop traffic analysis from determining that these are monero blocks. 13:31:54 Gotcha. But presently the “best OPSEC” way to use Monero is: 13:31:54 Anonymously Host a node on a VPS in different geographical location + Connect to said remote node that you run exclusively over TOR on secure Hardware and Operating system 13:31:54 Is the above equation roughly accurate? 13:34:55 Sounds like a pita 13:40:59 Yep. IMO we need that onion blockchain sync turned on so incoming connections arent bottleneck / reliant on clear nodes 13:41:48 I’m in full agreement with you ofrnxmr 13:41:59 It’s just I’m an idiot who can’t program 13:42:02 Haha 13:42:22 Oh well. Time will tell if Monero or the Totalitarians will win 13:44:47 Yeah.. Hyc, sech, ooo, berman are all good guys. Not sure who is best for the job or if anyone wants to do it.. but p2p stuff is always an issue. Cent afford to break anything 13:45:17 Btw regarding cake wallet 13:45:17 "We are putting a banner RIGHT at the top today/tomorrow which will clearly direct people to the open source monero project website. " 13:45:17 From Vik 13:48:33 will reality meet expectations? ^^ :D 13:48:46 What does Vick’s comment mean? 13:48:56 I know Monero devs are beasts 13:49:35 This project brings a tear to my eye. It’s beautiful and the principles it stand for are under attack. 13:50:40 Why does Vik want to direct people to Monero GitHub lol 13:57:14 Vik = cake wallet = monero.com 13:58:33 Yeah but what is the point of his comment 13:58:41 I don’t understand it 13:58:43 Lol 13:59:32 Also ofrnxmr, assuming you use a VPS hosted elsewhere as a Monero node, how much in USD does this cost you per year? 14:00:23 How much (approximately) is the yearly cost in USD for running a VPS with and anonymous service provider? 14:02:13 I'm not sure about context, but GitHub issues are generally used for now permanent forum for discussion 14:02:27 Re: why he directed people to github 14:03:59 Perhaps something controversial that he wants to discuss over GitHub? I don’t care anyways. Cake is just a convenient solution not a secure one lol. Mobile devices are inherently insecure and should be treated as such. 14:04:59 *more permanent 14:23:59 What would be the exact issue with Monero not being able to fully run inside I2P? Is it "just" that we would have two different chains? 14:24:04 What if the longest chain stayed inside I2P? 14:24:16 Cringe tbh 14:26:11 gonbatfire[m]: Like 51% of hashrate were only inside I2P/TOR, and so the situation would get upside down (clearnet users would *need* to use I2P/TOR in order to transact in Monero) 14:26:54 * Like 51% of hashrate were only inside I2P/TOR, and so the situation would get upside down (clearnet users would *need* to use I2P/TOR in order to transact in Monero trustlessly) 14:26:56 Garbage usability 14:27:45 I'd rather it be slow than to live in 1984 14:27:46 We don't need this at all unless the protocol itself gets banned 14:28:02 Even then, there's probably better solutions 14:28:08 Well.. 14:28:14 * Even then, there are probably better solutions 14:28:48 Hopefully 14:31:34 Use feather for Tor.. or have tor browser running and set the proxy port in the GUI to 9050 (i think) and we have i2p-zero (gui) for noobs to use it with the monero gui, not too bad for usability 14:33:02 Tor Browser is 9150 14:34:20 "We don't need this at all unless..." <- Isn't the entire appeal of Monero hiding everything (sender, receiver, amount)? Why wouldn't you want to hide your IP too? 14:35:40 You can sync over clearnet where bandwidth is not severely limited like Tor or i2p and just broadcast txs over tor 14:36:00 This is I think perfectly acceptable for most folks that run nodes 14:36:15 Guide for noobs to use i2p with monero gui + i2p zero gui https://github.com/plowsof/userguide-drafts/blob/main/i2p/monero-gui-i2p-node.md 14:36:29 Until yesterday there was basically zero indication that the US Treasury department would sanction software 14:36:51 And it still seems extremely unlikely still imo 14:38:52 O will refrain from old meme 14:38:55 yw 14:43:03 I like me me's , is it about grapheneOS? 14:58:44 so you are saying there's a chance? 14:58:58 "Isn't the entire appeal of..." <- Because monero already does that 14:59:35 I rather have my ISP see monero traffic than Tor 15:00:49 Again, Monero isn't illegal. No reason to hide the very fact that I'm running a node at all. 15:03:20 Monero is for everyone™ 15:09:40 *some exclusions may apply 15:12:32 Ping me in 5 years when Monero is punishable by death or life in prison 15:13:34 ok, will ping you in both places 15:14:29