00:44:00 "I'm building these charts for..." <- sech1: perhaps 01:01:44 or datahoarder who is in the p2pool channels 01:16:13 hardenedsteel: 01:16:13 Continue herr 01:16:35 Selsta is here too 01:19:16 > how do you imagine decentralized devlopment to work? 01:19:16 selsta: development teams can agree with each other when making hard forks 01:19:26 * > how do you imagine decentralized devlopment to work? 01:19:26 selsta: development teams can agree with each other when making hard forks 01:20:09 Teams such as? 01:20:09 We are all individuals here 01:21:01 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Teams such as? 01:21:01 > We are all individuals here 01:21:01 such as "the monero project" 01:21:23 Is not a team 01:21:23 Monero core is a team 01:21:45 Monero core does not make the decisions. Those who write and review pr's do 01:22:27 And those who write and review could be anybody. Latest release has ~72 contributors 01:23:28 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Is not a team 01:23:28 > 01:23:28 > Monero core is a team 01:23:28 okay then the monero project can't have official website if everybody is individual and not team 01:23:49 Monero project can have an official website just like we have am official repo 01:24:23 who decides it's official? 01:24:43 1. Those who write and review prs 01:24:43 2. Users 01:27:13 3. Ur mom 01:31:25 To quote kaya 01:31:25 "a contributor to the Monero project who has a claim equal to any other contributor in our unweighted system" 01:31:25 "... The Monero Project is on purposely legally undefined" 01:31:33 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> 1. Those who write and review prs 01:31:33 > 2. Users 01:31:33 so in monero.com's case first reason is not acceptable because they wrote too. 01:31:57 you mean write code right? 01:32:08 And it was universally rejected by contributors to monero-project 01:32:15 And reviewers 01:33:36 And again, contributors and reviewers = anyone 01:34:11 ofrnxmr[m]: how universally? what if i decide it's official 01:34:58 Divided monero.com is? 01:35:20 You need consensus. And nobody except for you would allow a proprietary website with 0 oversight to be the official domain 01:35:54 Getmonero.org is official by consensus. 01:35:55 Feel free to create something better and change that 01:36:32 ofrnxmr[m]: i don't need consensus if it works well with network. 01:36:44 Example 01:36:44 We moved from GitHub > GitLab > GitHub + backhub 01:36:58 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Getmonero.org is official by consensus. 01:36:58 > Feel free to create something better and change that 01:36:58 so does official mean what most people think? 01:37:08 Thats what consensus means 01:37:26 https://www.wordnik.com/words/consensus 01:37:45 An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole. 01:37:46 General agreement or accord. 01:39:41 Could we.. just be fragmented? Allow 16 ring nodes to work with 21 ring or 5 ring nodes? 01:39:41 A fixed ring size, not getting rid of ringct, randomx etc 01:40:17 If you dont like it the way monero-project is going, you fork. 01:40:17 How do you think monero was created? Via consensus to fork away from bytecoin 01:41:21 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole. 01:41:21 > 01:41:21 > General agreement or accord. 01:41:21 consensus wont make official, to make it official you need to have something like ceo of monero but it doesn't exist so getmonero.org may official for you but may not for me 01:41:35 Those who didnt want to fork, stayed on bytecoin. 01:41:35 Monerov is another example of not reaching consensus and monero-project remaining the chosen chain 01:42:06 What is officicisl for you? Where do you get your code to build your software? Wownero git? 01:42:09 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Could we.. just be fragmented? Allow 16 ring nodes to work with 21 ring or 5 ring nodes? 01:42:09 > 01:42:09 > A fixed ring size, not getting rid of ringct, randomx etc 01:42:09 it's hardfork and not like making website. 01:42:26 The website is open source. Facepalm 01:42:54 You can fork the website, node, change where it checks checkpoints 01:43:12 Mobilecoin for example 01:43:15 Or oxen 01:44:00 Why did they start their own Genesis blocks? Because they know they will never reach consensus with their bs "improvements" 01:44:24 ofrnxmr[m]: yes i can make fork or make another website for monero but there will be no official website for monero. because monero doesn't have leader, CEO or something like that. 01:44:53 Read a Lil bit 01:44:58 ofrnxmr[m]: ^ 01:46:00 Important question above 01:46:41 ofrnxmr[m]: there's currently only one monero implementation exist which is made by the monero project (or monero core?) developers (which is bad for monero) 01:46:56 nothing is official for monero 01:47:20 Its made by so-called "monero-project" which is not a group, but individual contributors 01:47:38 And no, there are many monero implementations 01:47:43 Monerov for example 01:48:00 ofrnxmr[m]: its another coin not implementation 01:48:31 It is monero that forked in a diff direction 01:48:33 Same Genesis blocks 01:48:50 Its called monerov because they couldnt use monero because of.. drumroll... consensus 01:48:51 for an example bitcoin cash has several implementation which works together well and keeps development more decentralized 01:49:03 and they agree each other when making hardforks 01:49:05 Bitcoin cash vs bitcoin is another example 01:49:11 Which is official? 01:49:38 bitcoin cash and bitcoin are different coins and not implementation 01:49:41 ofrnxmr[m]: subjective 01:49:57 The problem is, monero is so well done we all contribute to the same repo 01:50:28 ofrnxmr[m]: it leads to centralized development 01:50:38 hardenedsteel[m]: They were not different coins, lack of historian 01:51:01 ofrnxmr[m]: they forked 01:51:05 Bitcoin.com is for bitcoin cash 01:51:18 Bitcoin cash identifies as the real bitcoin 01:51:43 ofrnxmr[m]: i told you its subjective 01:51:56 They didnt fork the blockchiaj history. Aka same coin 01:52:22 Wownero = new coin = new genesisblocks 01:52:23 ofrnxmr[m]: no bch and btc nodes dont work together 01:52:28 Monerov = same coin, different ideals 01:52:35 hardenedsteel[m]: Not anymore 01:52:43 They did when it was all bitcoin. 01:52:56 i dont talking about making different coin or network 01:53:02 V18 and v17 monero nodes wont work together after Saturday either 01:54:10 There will be a 24hr period where both will work, after which v17 will continue on the old chain and v18 will become the _new_ official 01:54:10 ... by consensus 01:55:34 are you trolling? you keep talking about creating another network or coin, which i dont 01:56:16 who is trolling? 02:01:45 Monero is currently on the "old" chain.... node version v0.17. 02:01:46 After Saturday monero-project will hard fork onto a "new chain", or as you would say, a "new coin". 02:01:46 v0.17 is the current coin. 02:01:46 Is v0.17 official? 02:04:08 And will it be post Saturday hard fork? 02:04:08 Im running v0.18 and will accept the new chain as "monero". 02:04:08 _anyone_ else is free to continue to mine and transact on v0.17 and continue the current "official" chain 02:10:33 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (78KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/DUZBcwxqRYCfzjJciwxYQNlA/Imagepipe_345.jpg > 02:11:36 Thats only ~1/10 of nodes 02:12:38 cryptogrampy: 02:12:38 Monero.fail sees around 13k nodes in a day. Is it possible for menace to track how many of those are updated? 02:14:12 quite trivial 02:17:51 The core team did not fork the project away from Bytecoin. Monero was launched as a new chain with a new genesis block, an entire new coin called Bitmonero. The founder of Bitmonero was a douchebag who wanted dumb things like Bytecoin merge mining so the core team forked the project away from him and began to work on Bitmonero on their own (like renaming it Monero) 02:19:33 yes he did not listen to....consensus 02:20:09 I suppose the original code being copied from Bytecoin makes Monero a Bytecoin fork, but the chain was never forked because Bytecoin had a terrible premine 02:25:34 Apologies for the skipping steps, but yeah, bytecoin > fork new genesis (new coin) > bitmonero > hard fork (same genesis) > new bitmonero 02:25:38 https://i.imgflip.com/6pggbb.jpg 02:27:04 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> cryptogrampy: 02:27:04 > 02:27:05 > Monero.fail sees around 13k nodes in a day. Is it possible for menace to track how many of those are updated? 02:27:05 I'm not sure but kinda doubt he had the bandwidth and/or inclination to do in next few days 02:27:58 He came to the rescue in ~ an hour to add web compatibility detection :P 02:27:58 Maybe he's in a good mood :) 02:28:41 Solid guy nonetheless. Possible Gingeropolous might be able to 06:25:55 monero.fail is a node with a white/grey ip list (which had ips shown there on the dns ban list for 6+ months, theyve since been removed) (ginger has also looped through these lists using bash, as grampy says its quite trivial) the issue is that after the hardfork, v18 nodes are going to ban other peers using v17 if i understand correctly, so they wont appear in their lists anymore right? and 1 node isnt going to provide a full picture 06:25:55 of the network so we'd have to contribute to people not updating (by hosting both v17 and v18 in every continent :D 06:32:19 Morpheus[m]: got data almost from the start for p2pool and for mini too. I can take a look at this after this week, maybe poke me again in those channels? 11:09:05 "Morpheus: got data almost from..." <- Awesome. The chart structure on Moneroj is ready. Just waiting the data. 11:11:43 I'll wait the full data to launch them then 11:13:16 I believe you can export most via the api nowadays (each share and block is available, if not full just the relevant information at least) 11:13:31 Otherwise it will be a few GiV 11:13:34 GiB 11:23:18 I just wanted the number of miners, the hashrate, total hashes found and total blocks found each day since inception 11:23:24 So I could plot them 11:23:41 Do you think you have these variables? 12:00:51 Yeah afaik I published some of that already ready to use, but I can give it in bulk 13:06:00 If you could share the link, that would help 13:06:04 👍️👍️ 13:34:56 Nanopool has surpassed MineXMR in hashrate 13:56:50 As I said 13:56:59 Minexmr moving to nanopool and support xmr = bad 13:58:26 Been arguing that this date chosen was in bad faith. At least its moving before the date... still looks like an attack to me. 13:59:13 (Volitility right before hf. Global hash is up as well) 14:06:47 or maybe they simply don't want to update to v0.18 (and add support for view tags), that's why they chose this date 14:11:43 Cake wallet v0.18 looks like its releasing today 🥳 14:14:25 just tried blockchain sync with v0.18.1.0, took 8 hours to fully sync up 14:14:29 selsta: 14:14:29 Yeah, but i argue they could have and should have chosen an earlier date. Previously said 1 week or even 2 days would be better then "at the finish line" 14:14:29 Ive been advocating for everyone to ditch nanopool and support xmr because of the threat of minexmr moving to one or the otherb 14:16:47 ⚡ thats.. fast! When is v0.18.1.0 planned to release? 14:16:47 I probably cant join the build party :( 14:17:55 Just saw > Tagging today. 14:17:55 Probably release Thursday or Friday? 14:18:20 release is before the hardfork 14:29:49 fk ledger, look like I can't build app for the X model if I don't have a "Special nano X developer unit". I don't like when they release the app at the last second. 14:29:49 Last time we got a fork on where Ledger released the app **after** the fork, I had a Nano S and so I simply build the new app myself. 14:29:49 I feel I should TX some of my bank account into a software wallet just in case. 14:33:10 s/bank/XMR/, s/account// 14:46:01 read your warning a little to late and now have to patiently wait for ledger to get their sh*t together 😐 14:48:01 I'm in contact with Ledger the plan is still to release in time 14:55:40 anyone wanna clean up the official CLI / GUI reddit release thread? there's been a ton of spam posts on it for idk a week now 14:55:45 I reported a few 15:05:39 "Cake wallet v0.18 looks like its..." <- https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/releases/tag/v3.0.0 15:06:29 "just tried blockchain sync..." <- fucking hell 15:08:21 Nice ^ on rujo 15:25:50 * Kimapr uploaded an image: (2KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/tchncs.de/2760a45cd585f9320dc461ccdbc7c53bb8076eee/image.png > 15:30:02 ct🇧🇪: regarding moneromoon ccs 15:30:03 At 441 subs, they ask for 0.136 xmr per subscriber per year 15:30:36 The 0.1xmr you donated doesnt even cover yourself at these rates 15:31:03 And imo, its not a new newsletter and doesnt need seed fundingb 15:34:08 Or, more accurately: they've have 4 years to build a subscriber base and a business model. 15:34:08 If its a hobby, the comment from him about "working for less than minimum wage" is meaninggless 15:36:39 If its a full time job, it definitely should not run off of donations of ccs, but funds from those who read the paper. 15:38:11 So if "ct" is 1/441subscribers, he's asking you for 0.136xmr/year. 15:38:12 As a reader saying you arent willing to pay that. I absolutely do not support funding a project at a 90% loss compared to expected revenue (what readers say they would pay) 15:38:28 This is essentially subsidizing 90% of moons operation 15:38:47 I know it's expensive, I know my minuscule donation cover shit, and I don't say it should be funded. I also stated the rates which I consider fair. 15:38:47 However I do thing it offers unique value the other newsletters do not provide. For those following along, they can read my comments here: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/336 15:39:16 And I say operation, because its 4 years old and has 400 subscribers that, one of which is only willing to pay 0.01xmr per year 15:39:35 The stickers thing is my hobby and i make it work out to be sustainable (my costs are covered, i don't lose money but i don't give myself a freaking wage) 15:40:32 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> So if "ct" is 1/441subscribers, he's asking you for 0.136xmr/year. 15:40:32 > 15:40:32 > As a reader saying you arent willing to pay that. I absolutely do not support funding a project at a 90% loss compared to expected revenue (what readers say they would pay) 15:40:32 I'm not a subscriber. I read it whenever it pops up on reddit or 4chan. I suspect other people do the same. I don't see it as a service, but rather as an ad campaign for people who are new-ish to monero 15:40:49 Even better. 15:41:21 Meaning, if you more people like you were subscribers he'd have a far larger pool to collect donations from 15:41:39 And your fees would ve less than 0.136 per subscriber. 15:42:41 (Im saying, he should be querying readers for funding.) Youtubers "like subscribe, join my patreon" 15:42:42 Moon "ccs" 15:45:24 If the rates weren't so high, id likely have said nothing. 15:45:25 If it is possible to collect the funding from the 50 donators on ccs, I see absolutely no good reason why 440 subscribers cant cover the bill 15:45:26 Or be asked to 15:46:18 Alternative funding is simple as well.. plowsof made a service for these types of things. 15:47:15 CCS is for all people that need/want funding for a project, that benefits 3rd parties. The Monero Moon benefits most people who are new to monero, and don't get news from other sources (yet). In turn we benefit if they become more familiar with the community. But exactly these new people are least willing to pay for it. 15:47:34 >If the rates weren't so high, id likely have said nothing. 15:47:35 That's indeed the primary pain point 15:48:32 CCS is not for all people that want / need funding 15:48:36 >Alternative funding is simple as well.. plowsof made a service for these types of things. 15:48:36 I thought the CCS was supposed to be open for anyone, and the people can decide with their wallet what gets funded or not? Why do we have to gate-keep proposals like this? 15:49:20 Because at some point our generous whales funding every proposal might stop :/ 15:49:34 You can request a ccs to sell bitcoin gear at defcon but ccs is not for your personal endeavors 15:50:00 > <@ctrej:matrix.org> >Alternative funding is simple as well.. plowsof made a service for these types of things. 15:50:00 > 15:50:00 > I thought the CCS was supposed to be open for anyone, and the people can decide with their wallet what gets funded or not? Why do we have to gate-keep proposals like this? 15:50:00 Nope.. ccs has to be approved. 15:50:15 By the community. 15:50:29 I wasn't aware that everything gets funded, and if that is indeed the case the "vote with your wallet" part doesn't work quite right 15:50:33 Vote with your wallet = plowsof WaaS 15:51:12 ct[m]: Was a bit of sarcasm from bull 15:51:12 A lot of bad ccs have been merged/approved. Were not doing that anymore 15:51:29 Nobody has money to pay peoples light bills so they can fuck off 15:51:55 And lie about their hours or work being done, not finish work, or totally misrepresent the job 15:53:19 Thats just how it goes when you have to be sustainable. Other projects act like fancy tech startups where its expected to lose shitloads of money for years, we kinda have to deal with what we have and that usually means development > marketing 15:54:23 ct[m]: does anyone know what happened to the animated videos thing 15:54:24 i know the creator faked a bunch of micro donations to inflate the "supporters" 15:54:34 * i know the creator faked a bunch of micro donations to inflate the number of people who donated 15:55:16 Looks like we need to close it and send those funds elsewhere 15:55:30 how much is it? 15:55:49 400/minute 15:56:04 45xmr 15:56:05 and the amount of coins that were donated? 15:56:40 was that the first proposal that wasnt fully funded? 15:56:56 Its fully funded 15:57:05 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/savandra-videos-for-monero.html 15:57:24 107 donators 🥲 scam nonsense 15:57:34 hm, do we know its dead? 15:57:48 ofrnxmr[m]: i believe about 90 are fake 15:57:53 They offered to release one video for money 15:58:02 And didnt. 2 months ago 15:58:11 ah 15:59:00 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/308#note_16747 15:59:03 how are "i guess he put effort into this but the quality is still kinda mid"-translations handled? 16:00:12 No more tl ccs for the timw being 16:01:47 I think there is an exception for v1docq47 16:02:26 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/329 16:02:26 Exception meaning we didnt close it 16:03:10 how about review? ive put 2 hours into monero means money german yesterday and while i certainly could do all the other stuff for free, it would have way higher priority in my day-to-day live if i was getting even a small compensation 16:09:10 What do you mean review? 16:09:32 Reviewing translations? 16:09:43 yeah 16:14:29 Its not a hard fast rule that no tl or tl related ccs. Just that they are paused until further notice. More that we arent trying to make a mess while we figure out a better system. 16:14:29 In the meantime, we need to figure out how best to handle them. 16:14:29 Another problem is, we'd need to maintain the translated versions in absence of the original translator 16:16:10 Meaning, if there is an english getmonero.org repo, id expect retreat to be an up to date Polish repo which has active maintainers 16:18:57 i see, whens the next meeting related to the ccs? 16:31:32 We need to schedule one 16:31:55 Last one was last week Saturday 16:32:59 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-6.html 16:35:10 the last moneromoon CCS was funded easily 16:35:12 no idea why all the fuss 16:36:12 it has not been in continuous production for 4 years, it recently came back 16:36:49 I read none of the newsletters 16:39:46 so seems tornado cash also mixed usdc and usdt, i feel like that made them an even bigger target 17:53:53 * gunslinger-zach[ posted a file: (2KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QslXzxsRKcLyBeCCKtNBlvGY/B4DCBE5C4224F3F427639ED00ADDD912F1D57D77.asc > 19:02:35 ct its not just the rates. even if he said he would do it for free, his writing isnt good enough to justify any kind of ccs contract. I spotted one error that i posted in the ccs comments and now another "Being able to piece together these tweet threads is largely be due to the fact..." <- please, someone read his proposal. we're not running make a wish here. if you can't write coherently IN your CCS proposal , and the comments are 19:02:35 accusing you of such there's a problem. 19:07:42 imagine interviewing for his position, he wouldn't get the job 19:12:32 Hey, you wanted some positive comments, so I provided them :) 19:13:09 I didn't mean to cause such a drama 19:13:09 its just his rates -> he will lower his rates and everything will be ok. no 19:13:26 Last time i provided a positive comment against a generally negative sentiment was havenos proposal :/ 19:13:47 It's a dumb idealistic idea. 99% of crypto in the first world is hype speculation and hodling on exchanges lol 19:14:11 its not drama discussions are great , and we need to sides for that (else its not fair / 'the sock puppets are attacking me' defence cant be used 19:14:18 two* 19:18:03 there is an account that only posts negative feedback 19:18:09 that feedback is almost exclusively in line with someone's interests 19:18:29 this might spark assumptions 19:19:18 Kill Bill? 19:19:29 yes 19:19:40 * Kill Bill? (FlamingAtlas) 19:20:14 okey, good to know. Didn't recognize the name, but the guy appears unnecessary rude 19:25:30 plowsof: 19:25:30 😅 I hate to say it, but I agree 19:27:17 The comments I left on the proposal basically indicated that: if readers enjoy the paper, at least 441 people will they will donate an average of 0.136xmr per year to read it 19:27:34 If he knows readers wont pay.. why would nonreaders.... 19:30:06 Its called a "free" paper, but free for who? 19:30:24 If readers fund the ccs, its far more than 0.136xmr/year 19:34:16 who knows why it would get funded but it has gotten funded 19:35:04 plowsof gives a good critique 19:36:46 if it got merged it would get funded again (i assume) 19:38:19 i do not like being negative toward a monero contributor though , its not like his contributions are worthless 19:39:38 Revuo is worthless though 19:39:51 lets put up a vacancy , almost 30 euros an hour to release a weekly newsletter / handle social media accounts and see the calibre of people who apply 19:40:36 * worthless though /s 19:41:01 Revuo did tell me about the SoloptXMR merge attempt though :D 19:41:09 Same. 19:41:49 Hey spirobel, welcome back to community 19:42:22 Why are you tripping on Reddit after you avoided any discussion 19:42:32 ofrnxmr[m]: it is 19:43:13 Revuo makes more money than moon from readers 19:43:57 how do you know that? 19:44:31 So.. worthless tho whom? People vote with their wallets to keep revuo online. And myself and plowsof both read it and both found out about soloptxmr sly merge request 19:45:29 Am I saying its a good paper... never said that. Im saying revue doesnt get 36xmr from "community funding" to copy and paste every couple weeks 19:46:06 nor should it 19:46:20 I dont see a ccs for revuo, do you? 19:46:25 Why should moon? 19:46:36 agreed 19:46:57 but after the monertopia ccs it looks like its just a free for all there 19:47:17 any idiot can say "ill do xxx for monero adoption/recognition" and get paid 19:47:35 Not just a free for all, but "developers" making death threats while claiming pay for attending meeting and fixing spelling mistakes 19:48:03 Collecting* pay 19:49:00 i just wanted to rule myself out of hosting a meeting because of being biased toward one of the ccs proposers :'( 19:51:05 Its not a biased if its based in fact / not personal 19:52:40 the meeting would be unfair / one sided probably anyway (seeing that he's not active on matrix/irc) 19:52:56 Example.. am I biased against mj-xmr? Nope. 19:52:56 He said those threats in a reply _to me_ and I watched him refuse to take them back, then watched him bill his ccs for straight up bullshit 19:53:34 Im not biased when I say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no, youre not getting paid early and changing your milestones on your remaining ccs after you pulled that 100% horseshit 19:55:47 Dang I'm glad I'm not luigi1111: lol 19:56:09 Hey, spirobel claims Luigi is some sort of overlord 19:56:40 i m also glad jwinterm[m] is not luigi 19:57:09 I'm glad I'm not luigi 19:57:20 o_0 19:57:42 On Reddit today whining about their afgan ccs, while they avoided all meaningful conversation around it. Saying dumb shit like "you Americans should get regular jobs" as a reason for funding LOL 19:58:17 im glad you're not luigi1111w , he is the mean one, you're the nice one 19:59:21 Yeah.. Luigi1111w is a monster.. 20:00:26 Wait for the new series, CCS Gatekeepers, coming soon to a streaming platform near you 20:27:53 Luigi is a power hungry sadist who likes to crush independent developers dreams and aspirations, rucknium is singlehandedly implementing a backdoor into monero, rotten has 3000 sockpuppets controlling the narrative, haveno dev went 150x long with ccs fund, monerobull posts quarterly reports of everyone's real life address, Vik from cakewallet literally laughst at your pathetic bags every night, justin is a fed trying to secretly 20:27:53 destroy the community and fluffy handed over the monero-master-viewkey to the fbi 20:28:36 Did i forget anyone? 20:30:06 And cyptogrampy still needs his diaper changed 20:31:32 Monerobull 😂, mixing some fud with some facts. Haha 20:36:09 "Did i forget anyone?" <- jw is a shitcoiner launching shitcoin forks to cheapen monero image 20:36:53 Are you the guy who's "balls deep into nfts"? 20:37:04 Yes 20:37:09 Also that 20:37:10 Lol 20:38:20 I actually like the dog nft. Not "like it enough to pay 100$ gas fees to get it" but i think they're neat 20:38:53 Gas breddy cheap lately, more like a couple bucks 20:39:31 Yeah gas cheap get those jpgs now 20:41:24 Was kinda funny vitalik did a tweet thread about some new type of contract that is basically like stealth addresses for NFTs so you can't see recipient 20:41:33 Then two days later feds erase tornado 20:42:21 Tornado should show Bitcoin that it is possible to sanction Bitcoin 😅 / steal funds 20:42:24 Overnight 20:43:20 Not from private keys but simply accepting tornado eth is a crime 20:44:08 And, I didnt check, but sounds like usdc, usdt as well 20:44:21 ofrnxmr[m]: Idk but i think having a CENSORED ONCHAIN BLOCK should have been a wake-up call 20:44:48 That happened? 20:44:57 Yeah 20:45:07 When 20:45:14 https://news.bitcoin.com/marathon-mines-first-ofac-compliant-bitcoin-block/ 20:45:21 Wow I'm so old 20:47:01 Marathon, a North America-based mining company, has mined the first OFAC compliant bitcoin block yesterday, that only included KYC validated transactions and excluded transactions from addresses coming from sanctioned subjects. The block was found five days after Marathon completed the transition from its other pools to its completely compliant mining pool on May 1st. Since that day, the whole 10.37 EH/S are assigned to only 20:47:01 mine KYC/OFAC compliant transactions. 20:49:03 There are some pretty big public USA mining companies, presumably they're all compliant 20:50:07 I guess you can use a stealth addresses and they would still mine your tx to send to a sanctioned entity 20:50:20 But sending from sanctioned entity... 20:50:53 Just sell it as a service 20:51:28 "I'll send 0.01 sanctioned BTC to any address, for only 10$ XMR" 20:52:59 I guess they can still use samurai 🤷‍♀️ 20:53:34 soo who will get sanctioned next? 20:54:12 More mixers 20:54:53 And every single time without fail, fud posts will pop up on r/monero 21:03:48 wen monero sanctions? 21:12:15 "I guess they can still use..." <- this is whitelisting, not blacklisting 21:12:35 only utxos from approved sources will be mined 21:12:46 oic 21:15:15 samourai is good for "you cant spend from xxx", not good for "you can only spend from yyy" 21:17:32 s/utxos/txs/ 21:39:23 jwinterm: do you still mod r/cc? 21:40:40 I am still the boss ya 22:10:54 wait you own it? 22:22:44 no reddit owns it 22:22:48 I just work there for free 22:23:06 well, for free for a number of years, and for the last couple years I am awarded reddit community moon points 22:29:18 "well, for free for a number of..." <- yeah stfu youre a millionaire now 22:29:49 the only person in monero to make it and it was due to reddit updoot coins 22:30:32 you can look next to my username and see that I am not in fact even a completely illiquid millionaire 22:30:36 moonionaire 22:31:38 i have 20 dollars worth of moons spread across 2 accounts and should i ever try to liquidate them im doxxing myself 22:32:16 i have 4.5 cents worth of nova eth so theres still some hope to liquidate 22:32:24 testnet was so much more comfy 22:32:57 afaik each tx on nova is like $0.002 22:33:07 so you should be good 22:33:13 I haven't played with it all yet tho 22:38:14 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (5KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/FuJAmOzHQgRtiXhzPdFAJIiW/grafik.png > 22:38:48 and now kids, my wallet is doxxed. imagine this happening to your savings account 22:39:15 jwinterm: want to buy my moons for 10$? 22:39:16 xmr 22:39:23 neigh 22:39:58 how is it doxxed tho? just because reddit knows your ip? 22:40:08 is your reddit account really connected to your irl identity? 22:42:30 no but if this wasnt my shitcoin reddit account you could just put the eth amount into an explorer 22:43:10 whats the chances another wallet has that exact amount of eth like 30 hour after reddit introduced this 22:43:27 also, kek @ reddit removing the nft market 22:43:59 ive heard a few people got refunded 22:44:30 just makes my profile even more "special" 22:44:31 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (102KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SZLSqIwHAoBYuIBQtmUHZrWW/grafik.png > 22:46:24