02:36:43 <Mumuks> In case you want to vote ;) : https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/wl55y9/tornado_cash_is_closed_which_private/
02:52:56 <rayatina[m]> I need donations real quick yall
02:56:40 <rayatina[m]> I wanna raise money to start a vps
02:57:25 <rayatina[m]> All i need is the usd equivalent of about 12 dollars, i'll be able to buy a small vps for a year
02:57:33 <jwinterm[m]> You want to raise $5?
02:57:39 <jwinterm[m]> Lol
02:57:57 <rayatina[m]> jwinterm[m]: I mean it'd gelp out
02:57:57 <jwinterm[m]> Post XMR addy 
02:58:31 <rayatina[m]> 46B9GzbXs2EctP7dZUPx85Tyor5ptiFHoRSASbrYVTzCA12o79g1jzcgYxZD2m9rpXdqoLH2RQ1vhZFK84oVKr3o5P1YZvH
03:01:01 <jwinterm[m]> Why do you want to raise money for vps rayatina: ?
03:01:25 <rayatina[m]> jwinterm[m]: To host small services
03:01:45 <rayatina[m]> We could maybe get a vps and a meme domain
03:01:58 <rayatina[m]> Xmr vpn or smth
03:02:16 <jwinterm[m]> So...
03:02:22 <jwinterm[m]> No eye deer?
03:02:34 <rayatina[m]> That's the eye deer
03:02:50 <jwinterm[m]> Gotcha
03:02:59 <rayatina[m]> Since you can buy a cheap vps on lowendstock for like 12 bucks for an entire year
03:03:43 <rayatina[m]> We get one and a meme domain, and we have some people from other monero chats as admins
03:04:14 <jwinterm[m]> Do you have some other account on Reddit or Twitter or something that shows you have some previous interest?
03:05:50 <rayatina[m]> jwinterm[m]: I used to be edgy like 2-3 years ago so my only social medias are not good examples
03:06:06 <rayatina[m]> I mainly only lurk on /g/
03:08:08 <rayatina[m]> Alexhost has servers in ex-soviet countries (they're less likely to hand info to the united states
03:08:32 <jwinterm[m]> Oki
03:10:37 <jwinterm[m]> rayatina: sent you 0.2
03:10:40 <jwinterm[m]> Have fun
03:10:59 <al800[m]1> rayatina[m]: What about russian vps? they are just not going to release info to US. As long as you don't offer service to Russians
03:11:44 <rayatina[m]> al800[m]1: Yea but the fsb tho
03:12:14 <rayatina[m]> Don't rlly wanna deal with them
03:13:30 <al800[m]1> rayatina[m]: As long as you are not involved into producing services to russians they won't care
03:13:44 <jwinterm[m]> You're welcome rayatina: 
03:13:51 <jwinterm[m]> Gn todos
03:14:40 <rayatina[m]> jwinterm[m]: Fr? Thx bro
03:14:59 <jwinterm[m]> Ya fr
03:15:02 <jwinterm[m]> Yw
03:15:04 <jwinterm[m]> Gn
03:15:06 <jwinterm[m]> Fr
03:15:22 <rayatina[m]> My dream to be a sysadmin will finally be a reality
03:15:40 <gonbatfire[m]> Hello I've been trying to run a public node for a while but I keep getting "Error starting server: Failed to bind IPv4 (set to required)"
03:15:40 <gonbatfire[m]> Could someone please tell me if there is something obviously wrong with my launch commands?
03:15:40 <gonbatfire[m]> start cmd /k %~dp0\MGUIWallet\monerod.exe --zmq-pub tcp://127.0.0.1:18083 --disable-dns-checkpoints --enable-dns-blocklist --db-sync-mode=safe --data-dir G:\bitmonero --rpc-restricted-bind-ip *my public ip* --rpc-restricted-bind-port 18089 --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1 --rpc-bind-port 18081 --confirm-external-bind --public-node
03:15:48 <jwinterm[m]> Lol have fun in your new nightmare
03:15:53 <jwinterm[m]> Gn frfr
03:17:28 <rayatina[m]> If i get subpeonaed or however they spell it i'mma give em what i have (nothing)
03:17:36 <rayatina[m]> Because we don't keep logs
03:18:09 <gonbatfire[m]> > <@gonbatfire:monero.social> Hello I've been trying to run a public node for a while but I keep getting "Error starting server: Failed to bind IPv4 (set to required)"... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7a2484bb05c17e11868a0939700dd702ecdb9427)
03:19:44 <rayatina[m]> gonbatfire[m]: Why not get linux?
03:21:03 <gonbatfire[m]> I tried Ubuntu various time before, always ended up banging my head against the wall because stuff wouldn't work, would love to switch tho, I'm waiting for the latest SteamOS to release to try once more
03:21:21 <gonbatfire[m]> I'm not "upgrading" to W11 that's for sure
03:21:28 <rayatina[m]> gonbatfire[m]: Then get arch
03:21:48 <rayatina[m]> Arch is steamos but you gotta put extra work to get it like that
03:22:05 <rayatina[m]> Not even that much now that it comes with an installer
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03:23:36 <rayatina[m]> Xmr is an option
03:26:42 <al800[m]1> Artix with OpenRC is also a good option imo.
03:26:42 <al800[m]1> There are some providers that accept customer ISO
03:27:42 <al800[m]1>  * Artix with OpenRC is also a good option imo.
03:27:42 <al800[m]1> There are some providers that accept customer ISO
03:27:42 <al800[m]1> At the end it's mostly Arch without systemd
03:28:07 <rayatina[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> Artix with OpenRC is also a good option imo.
03:28:07 <rayatina[m]> > There are some providers that accept customer ISO
03:28:07 <rayatina[m]> I used it for half a year
03:28:26 <rayatina[m]> But it was hard to set it up encrypted on a legacy setup
03:28:59 <rayatina[m]> So now i just used arch cuz it was easier for me to get it encrypted
03:29:16 <al800[m]1> rayatina[m]: The installer can do that for you.
03:29:16 <al800[m]1> By Legacy you mean like BIOS?
03:29:43 <rayatina[m]> Yea
03:30:02 <rayatina[m]> I can use uefi
03:30:10 <rayatina[m]> I just fell for the /g/ memes
03:30:32 <al800[m]1> I did stay legacy for like 10 years but I eventually made the jump
03:30:35 <rayatina[m]> Now i have a thinkpad running arch
03:31:10 <al800[m]1> I also have a thinkpad, old, with bios and an encrypted artix
03:31:33 <al800[m]1>  * I also have a thinkpad, old, with bios and an encrypted artix
03:31:33 <al800[m]1> That laptop is a tank
03:36:45 <rayatina[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> I also have a thinkpad, old, with bios and an encrypted artix
03:36:45 <rayatina[m]> > 
03:36:45 <rayatina[m]> > That laptop is a tank
03:36:45 <rayatina[m]> same
03:37:15 <rayatina[m]> you don't know how many times me or my family have dropped this thing within the year i've had it
04:02:02 <rayatina[m]> I think we have enough money to get a cheap domain
04:02:06 <rayatina[m]> I just gotta convert some xmr to usd
04:02:08 <rayatina[m]> Only 3 bucks
04:03:58 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: xmr.beauty
04:03:59 <rayatina[m]> sounds nice
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10:52:07 <r4v3r23[m]> cuck wallet CEO showing his true colors
10:52:53 <r4v3r23[m]> "if we can't impersonate as monero official project and profit off of it then we will attack all projects" 
10:55:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats not what he says(?)
10:55:08 <spacekitty420[m]> i read it the other way around, that he would want them to be listed
10:56:02 <r4v3r23[m]> youre right, i misread
10:56:25 <monerobull[m]> Kek
10:56:59 <luigi1111> https://www.binance.com/en/support/announcement/485c2c5a5f044875a7423f0af5c7e5ba?utm_source=Project_XMR
10:58:01 <monerobull[m]> "We will reopen deposits and withdrawals for XMR once we deem the upgraded network to be stable, and we will not notify users in a further announcement."
10:58:28 <monerobull[m]> So not as long as they're illiquid 
10:58:33 <spacekitty420[m]> what a shame.... 
10:58:33 <spacekitty420[m]> anything that could realistically be done for a delisting over there? 
10:59:05 <spacekitty420[m]> i mean, they openly lying about "network issues"
10:59:12 <monerobull[m]> Pubic statement requesting binance to delist us? Idk
10:59:12 <spacekitty420[m]> that's fucked up and they should be liable for it
10:59:17 <monerobull[m]> s/Pubic/Public/
11:00:26 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: I'd first wait for listing on a real dex though 
11:00:46 <monerobull[m]> We'll have to bare with binance a few more months 
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11:02:14 <r4v3r23[m]> > <@spacekitty420:catgirl.cloud> what a shame.... 
11:02:14 <r4v3r23[m]> > anything that could realistically be done for a delisting over there?
11:02:14 <r4v3r23[m]> up to users to boycott
11:02:19 <r4v3r23[m]> otherwise they make too much money
11:03:29 <monerobull[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Nah more like a public notice from core after going through some sort of community discussion 
11:03:31 <spacekitty420[m]> i remember hearing about something like a class action lawsuit a long while, might be unrelated but tbh, i feel like that would be the only option... they just have way too much power on that whole market manipulation thingy
11:04:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, its illegal a 'orbot places to sell a product or service that you know you can not deliver 
11:05:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meaning, you arent allowed to sell me xmr if you know withdrawals "arent working"
11:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance is recommend cex on getmonero.org 💀
11:05:56 <spacekitty420[m]> yikes
11:06:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is anybody against killing that? / warning against using Binance period 
11:09:20 <r4v3r23[m]> i think warning is better
11:09:34 <r4v3r23[m]> they fuck up too much
11:09:44 <r4v3r23[m]> not to mention its KYC
11:09:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, we can write Binance ikbfire letters and a picture of the fireman and tell him Nono, dont put it out  
11:10:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let it burn.. in public.. as an example for the other cucks who want to distrey the future
11:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Destroy *
11:11:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Its fucked.
11:11:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bunch of liars. 
11:11:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cz will respond about Luna claims, but not monero
11:12:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cucksucker can go fuck himself or come have a conversation where the bitch explains his bullshit practices 
11:12:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry.. binance pisses me off.
11:13:02 <spacekitty420[m]> u and me both... :/
11:13:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fucking thieves 
11:15:16 <monerobull[m]> Again, let them carry on their shenanigans until we have a better solution. No point in killing it as long as withdrawals are at least from time to time open
11:15:35 <monerobull[m]> Once something like serai is stable, yeah, fuck em
11:15:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> I disagree 
11:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Never ever had an issue with trageogre or kucoin 
11:15:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance on some bullshit 
11:16:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same with hulking and poloniex
11:16:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Huobi*
11:16:29 <spacekitty420[m]> there already are better solutions tho, tradeogre is non-kyc and been sooo reliable for years on privacy coins, been using it since at least 2018
11:16:29 <spacekitty420[m]> binance is only in europe and they just have too much power by faking volumes that are just not real
11:16:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> But binance sets the price of monero.
11:17:01 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: totally. its a pattern of fuckery
11:17:05 <r4v3r23[m]> should be avoided totally
11:19:26 <r4v3r23[m]> too many complaints by users on reddit about blocked withdrawals
11:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And its always a fucking joke.
11:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive never seen binance come ask for help with tech support
11:21:12 <spacekitty420[m]> right and that happens literally every single time some sort of event that could help adoption is happening, last time was during monerun, now during the whole tornado cash which is definitely when new users could come in
11:21:12 <spacekitty420[m]> if those new users are just being met with "it's network issues on xmr's end and there are risk of loosing coins" that's literally fucked up
11:21:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> They just unplug their shit and Rob you
11:21:22 <r4v3r23[m]> lets do it. if we make enough noise we can get a proper excahnge run
11:21:43 <ct[m]> instead of deleting it, but up a warning that withdraws are blocked often
11:21:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance has no xmr 😂
11:21:50 <ct[m]> s/it/the mention/
11:21:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> And should have no trade volumeb
11:21:54 <r4v3r23[m]> if we can get "official" core backing then we can have some real traction
11:21:56 <ct[m]> s/it/the mention/, s/but/put/
11:22:07 <r4v3r23[m]> ct[m]: yes, and active warning
11:22:14 <r4v3r23[m]> s/and/an/
11:22:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id alsobargue that anybody pulling prices avoid binances report / dont weigh binance volume since it bullshit
11:22:53 <spacekitty420[m]> ct[m]: it's not just blocked withdrawal that is the issue but the whole lying (and market manipulation with fake numbers) that are harmful to the project
11:23:04 <ct[m]> do we have statistics on how many days withdrawls were not possible?
11:23:15 <spacekitty420[m]> close to 4 days now i think
11:23:28 <ct[m]> i mean overall
11:23:35 <r4v3r23[m]> ct[m]: you can search binance & monero reddit for withdrawal block
11:23:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> They do it all the time and randomly
11:23:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> They did it before monerun for like a week straught
11:24:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same time huobi and poloniex blocked as well
11:24:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Poloniex was down for months
11:24:31 <spacekitty420[m]> back in april, they even had a workaround to not have "closed withdrawals" but just error messages when users were trying to withdraw...
11:24:58 <ct[m]> I now they block withdrawls all the time, but if we claim that on getmonero we better have data to back our claims
11:25:03 <ct[m]> s/our/it/, s/claims/up/
11:25:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
11:25:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> We dont "better have data"
11:25:35 <ct[m]> if we don't have a list I'll make one
11:25:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its nobodies volunteer job to track and chart binanxes bullshit 
11:25:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you
11:25:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you do it, by all means.
11:26:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Buy we all KNOW Binance is a total pos with no excuse.
11:26:09 <ct[m]> I'm asking because I don't want to do a job somebody has done already
11:26:40 <spacekitty420[m]> ct[m]: like mentioned earlier tho, it's not just widthdrawal the issue but the whole lying about monero's network having issues and at risk of loosing coins when that's just not true
11:26:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reddit threads have some info, but I dont believe anybody has connected all blocked withdrawal data
11:26:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> As we only find out when users of these cuck exchanges report it.
11:27:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont use Binance, so ive never had the issue.
11:28:07 <spacekitty420[m]> havent used it in 3 years, still feeling the impact from their fake volumes and assigning themselves the "most trusted exchange" score on their own website (coinmarketcap) that they purchased few years ago
11:28:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again, cz answers the public. But not monerob
11:28:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> I want an official response from the man himself, else Binance 🚮
11:30:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance has money too
11:31:42 <jwinterm> tbf I don't think that is exclusive to monero, just an excuse binance uses to absolve themselves of any responsibility
11:31:49 <spacekitty420[m]> money they using to pay regulators to outlaw self custody, cause that "cold wallet" is funds they been stealing from customers that didnt withdraw and want more of those people to leave funds in their "cold wallet"
11:33:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> And we get nothing except for attacked.
11:35:01 <r4v3r23[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "I want an official response from..." <- no, delist and force a reponse
11:35:15 <r4v3r23[m]> no response = users leave binance and we solve the issue
11:37:25 <monerobull[m]> I thought you guys wanted to get xmr delisted from binance. Hard agree on at least a disclaimer on getmonero
11:38:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: He has no response aside from "muhahahah yeah, fuck monero"
11:39:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im 100% on deslisting, warning, removing 
11:39:30 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ok so fuck him
11:39:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont use Binance and hope their scsmming asses die a public execution 
11:39:45 <nioc> The current block height is 2,687,206. Fork height is 2,688,888. 1,682 blocks to go, happening in approximately 56.07 hours.
11:40:26 <monerobull[m]> Hehe, i named that fork
11:40:30 <spacekitty420[m]> monerobull[m]: for a long while now, is my opinion that even if they have literally 0 xmr customer on their platform, they would still be able to decide the price of it and keep doing those shady practices
11:40:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep^^^
11:41:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats what they are doing right now. Faking volumes and selling digits onbtheir computer to themself
11:41:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any user that "buys" those digits, cant redeem them 🥲
11:41:32 <monerobull[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Something like serai or thorchain would setl the real price 
11:41:44 <monerobull[m]> * Something like serai or thorchain would set the real price 
11:41:56 <spacekitty420[m]> cant wait for those yea
11:42:14 <spacekitty420[m]> def been a nice surprise from kayaba <3
11:42:16 <monerobull[m]> If nobody uses binance for arbitrage with it, binance can display any number they want
11:42:30 <monerobull[m]> spacekitty420[m]: One of the best all year
11:43:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Segai is somewhat centralized but still better than fake bullshit volume  
11:43:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Serai
11:44:19 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: The nodes are, yeah. No fake volume and cex manipulation though 
11:44:34 <monerobull[m]> With what should be a great user experience, unlike atomic swaps or bisq
11:44:57 <spacekitty420[m]> monerobull[m]: even then
11:44:57 <spacekitty420[m]> lets say there's premium price on of the the dex, someone selling xmr there and using those btc gain to send them over at binance to buy from lower price, binance would still "sell", just not allow withdrawal
11:45:24 <spacekitty420[m]> > <@monerobull:matrix.org> If nobody uses binance for arbitrage with it, binance can display any number they want
11:45:24 <spacekitty420[m]>  * even then
11:45:24 <spacekitty420[m]> lets say there's premium price on one of he the dex, someone selling xmr there and using those btc gain to send them over at binance to buy from lower price, binance would still "sell", just not allow withdrawal
11:45:28 <monerobull[m]> Hm
11:45:33 <spacekitty420[m]>  * even then
11:45:33 <spacekitty420[m]> lets say there's premium price on one of the dex, someone selling xmr there and using those btc gain to send them over at binance to buy from lower price, binance would still "sell", just not allow withdrawal
11:45:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Localmonero as well.
11:45:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> During times like this when Binance is full of shit, is when real sellers need to increase their sell prices 10fold
11:46:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> So when Binance tries to refill, they cent.
11:46:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/cent/cant/
11:46:18 <monerobull[m]> Everyone selling at the same price as binance with halted withdrawals is getting majorly gamed
11:46:45 <spacekitty420[m]> binance have lower price than the other cex currently, well as reported on the xmrtrader sub
11:46:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
11:47:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kucoin is offer 50c-1$ higher then the "index" price 
11:47:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Often
11:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kucoin
11:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> 167.7
11:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Index (average across exchanges)
11:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> 167.4
11:51:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://nitter.net/nahuhhXMR/status/1557692806206033922
11:51:59 <nioc> so binance not being honest?  Maybe they should be regulated by a govt so that they behave 
11:52:43 <spacekitty420[m]> that's the issues, users are being regulated, not the exchanges rather than being the other way around
12:02:01 <spacekitty420[m]> (and as mentioned earlier, those in power are paying the regulators to keep it that way anyways)
12:07:30 <spacekitty420[m]> from jesse powel (kraken's ceo): https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/r2tbs6/comment/hm902ih/
12:07:40 <spacekitty420[m]> > Exactly. It happens like this...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/dd25b3cbb379cb52e99954accc431c95622253a0)
12:11:45 <nioc> and yet they still offer montero
12:12:36 <spacekitty420[m]> you mean kraken? ofc, why wouldnt they?
12:13:57 <nioc> all who do
12:13:58 <spacekitty420[m]> the quote from jesse was basically him exposing how shady deals happening between ciphertrace/chainalysis and regulators so they can keep making money
12:14:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken is a cex I used to use 
12:14:32 <nioc> never used them
12:14:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And had no issues after light kyc
12:14:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> They want full KYC now, so I stopped
12:15:33 <nioc> wait, there is something more important  
12:15:36 <nioc> FUNDED https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-6.html  \o/
12:15:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who has blocked withdrawals
12:15:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance, huobi, poloniex, who else?
12:16:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta:  🥳
12:20:03 <spacekitty420[m]> so if selsta want that paid work to be actually valued for its real worth, wen binance delisting? o.o
12:20:09 <spacekitty420[m]> just sayin
12:24:54 <nioc> so the price goes down and he and others work for less
12:24:57 <nioc> hmmm
12:28:41 <spacekitty420[m]> well, no, yall still setting your salaries so if price goes down, yall actually getting more xmr which is why when price low is best time to make that ccs
12:28:41 <spacekitty420[m]> if u dont get it, is whatever, really, let the monopolies co-op  the whole thing, whatever
12:30:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regarding moneromoon proposal... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4c901dd5861a86f7fa0a247468916a20a78556bf)
12:31:36 <jwinterm> how do you guys think you could even force binance to delist? send them angry support messages?
12:32:15 <jwinterm> rayatina[m]: looking forward to new site
12:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not complaining about selsta. They manage a lot and have been working non stop for weeks to organize the releases
12:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why nobody cry foul about this?
12:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/mj-part-time-2022-q2.html
12:33:41 <nioc> where is ooooo ?
12:36:20 <nioc> I imagine that another proposal will not be forthcoming 
12:36:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Says he's working on multisig security analysis, bp+ and more 
12:37:34 <selsta> binance has wallet issues
12:38:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> What sort of issues? Real ones?
12:38:08 <nioc> selsta: congrats on funding
12:38:21 <selsta> nioc: ty :D
12:38:36 <selsta> yesterday it wasn't even 50% yet w0w
12:38:57 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: obviously real ones
12:39:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not obvious, they close their wallets for days at a time, randomly 
12:39:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any insight on what the issue is?
12:43:45 <spacekitty420[m]> haha right, came across that twatter follow thingy, like wut? 😹
12:43:45 <spacekitty420[m]> someone was all like "but i aint on twatter" and he was like "then u should register" like, fucking twatter shill lmao
12:45:00 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: no, can't say details but they reached out a couple days ago
12:51:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same issue they always have? Or is this the first time they reached out?
13:00:45 <selsta> I don't have any insight, I just know right now they have or had wallet issues.
13:57:30 <spacekitty420[m]> jfc... all the monero channels up in here are ded af, reddit is ded af, withdrawals are ded af
13:57:30 <spacekitty420[m]> is 2 days before a hard fork that took years to release and everything is ded af, that's some ded ass coin right there... :/
13:58:53 <jwinterm[m]> The best community
13:58:53 <jwinterm[m]> Lol
14:01:15 <nioc> I am looking forward to another uneventful hardfork 
14:01:26 <nioc> I mean software upgrade  :)
14:04:01 <nioc> spacekitty420[m]: try purring, it makes everything better 
14:05:22 <spacekitty420[m]> oh nvm lol, the only channel that aint ded is the monero mining, some telegram bot shilling nft or somethin o.o
14:09:57 <selsta> minexmr already down?
14:10:29 <selsta> ok no, but the hashrate is a bit down
14:17:50 <aremor[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Everyone selling at the same..." <- I think we need a circular economy for people to stop using the exchange process the real value. 
14:27:01 <nioc> selsta: down a bit?  they are at 1/3 their prior HR
14:27:32 <nioc> seems a bunch moved to support, hashvault and p2pool
14:29:12 <jwinterm[m]> I saw tweet that said nanopool is biggest now
14:29:49 <selsta> nioc: I meant global hashrate
14:37:10 <nioc> down the last couple of days but the global HR was even lower a week ago 
14:39:13 <nioc> good that most moved off already 
15:03:16 <monerobull[m]> Realistically a circular economy still has an exchange rate against other currency 
15:10:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/releases/tag/v4.4.5
15:10:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> V0.18
15:12:16 <CidadoisAncap[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Realistically a circular economy..." <- Do you guys believe its possible for monero to scale in order to install a global circular economy? Can storage/bandwith for nodes sync keep up with the blockchain when it comports all of humanity? This is my main concern about cryptocurrency, especially xmr
15:20:07 <selsta> Regarding Ledger, they will release v1.8.0 in developer mode tomorrow. The app will go live in normal mode next week.
15:20:30 <selsta> Enabling developer mode requires like 2 clicks so shouldn't be too much of a problem.
15:21:42 <al800[m]1> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "Do you guys believe its possible..." <- Yes.
15:22:03 <al800[m]1> biggest issue is storage imo
15:22:38 <al800[m]1> But storage is cheap, serious node will have it and other could have pruned nodes. Maybe a better solution would be found until then.
15:25:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1400tx/s, no
15:26:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> We cant handle the storage or bandwidth right now
15:26:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> But at 100, yea
15:28:44 <al800[m]1> Maybe it could be possible to "reset" the storage?
15:28:44 <al800[m]1> Let say you make a hard fork that create a second blockchain DB and keep the old one as "legacy".
15:28:44 <al800[m]1> Then everyone making there first TX after the fork get there whole wallet as input and an extra output into the same wallet(change) but to be stored into the new DB. That way the node could keep on using the new DB and the old DB can be keep in a few node for the late peoples
15:29:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 500tx/s is around 30mb pruned blocks, 900mb/hr, 21.6gb/day, 648gb/month
15:30:31 <CidadoisAncap[m]> I just know that monero will also scale in layer 2
15:30:37 <al800[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: I can absorb that volume
15:30:37 <al800[m]1> NVMe cache on a very big rust array
15:30:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats 8gb/year
15:30:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> 100tx/s ~ 2gb/year, which imo is feasible today 
15:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> 8gb*
15:31:15 <CidadoisAncap[m]> CidadoisAncap[m]: I just hope they wont fuck it up like lightning network
15:31:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> -_- autocorrect
15:31:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 8tb
15:32:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> I can absorb that volume
15:32:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> > NVMe cache on a very big rust array
15:32:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesn't matter what you can do, we need nodes to stay online.
15:32:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> ~2tb imo is a fair recommendation until 8tb+ are affordable 
15:32:45 <al800[m]1> So what, one 16TB drive per two years, it's not that bad.
15:32:46 <al800[m]1> But that will be only reserved to serious nodes, no more nodes on cheap vps
15:33:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> In no time 16tb wont be insanely expensive.
15:33:45 <CidadoisAncap[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> So what, one 16TB drive per two years, it's not that bad.
15:33:45 <CidadoisAncap[m]> > But that will be only reserved to serious nodes, no more nodes on cheap vps
15:33:45 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Our hope is to storage scale as fast and cheap as is today
15:34:18 <al800[m]1> CidadoisAncap[m]: Current geopolitics shit could throw a train in that
15:34:24 <CidadoisAncap[m]> We still get to see Petabyte phones
15:34:31 <CidadoisAncap[m]> al800[m]1: Definetly
15:35:31 <al800[m]1> Thing is we did past the bloating phase (I think). So there will be less insensitive to get big storage for people (except if you are a content creator or run nodes)
15:36:17 <al800[m]1>  * Thing is we did past the bloating phase (I think). So there will be less insensitive to get big storage for people (except if you are a content creator or run nodes)
15:36:17 <al800[m]1> Bloating phase = 150MB software do same thing as 2MB softwares.
15:36:54 <al800[m]1>  * Thing is we are past the bloating phase (I think). So there will be less insensitive to get big storage for people (except if you are a content creator or run nodes)
15:36:54 <al800[m]1> Bloating phase = 150MB software do same thing as 2MB softwares.
15:40:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta did a full sync in 8hrs
15:40:35 <selsta> with default settings even
15:40:46 <selsta> no increased peers or bandwidth
15:41:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some chains take weeks or worse
15:41:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> monero nodes still remain viable, even on mobile devices (so long as SD card size keeps up)
15:42:11 <ct[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "Do you guys believe its possible..." <- We could not switch over the world economy to monero right now. But if you compare the organic increase in usage with the cost per GB storage or GB/s bandwidth, the cost to operate a Node will only increases relatively slowly.
15:42:27 <ct[m]> * We could not switch over the world economy to monero right now. But if you compare the organic increase in usage with the cost per GB storage or GB/s bandwidth, the cost to operate a Node will only increase relatively slowly.
15:42:32 <monerobull[m]> The world economy isn't run on L1
15:42:53 <monerobull[m]> Even right now there's many different sidechannels
15:45:21 <al800[m]1> monerobull[m]: Exact, the world economy is also a clusterfsck
15:46:35 <al800[m]1> The gold standard failed partly because they ran it on L2 (Gold L2 allow printing)
15:47:18 <al800[m]1> They all want the printing feature..
15:47:26 <al800[m]1> So that have to run on some L2
15:51:16 <rayatina[m]> guys
15:51:17 <rayatina[m]> i did it
15:51:24 <rayatina[m]> i bought the domain
15:51:29 <rayatina[m]> and i got the server
15:52:01 <nioc> selsta: what does 0.18.1 have for CLI ?
15:52:13 <nioc> vs 0.18.0
15:52:43 <nioc> other tha HW wallets
15:54:18 <selsta> nioc: https://deploy-preview-2017--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/2022/08/11/monero-0.18.1.0-released.html
15:54:36 <nioc> barolo-time  :D
15:54:38 <selsta> one daemon crash fixed
15:54:49 <selsta> daemon performance for p2pool improved
15:54:59 <al800[m]1> still have 0.18.0.0 on getmonero and I see my node still run 0.18.0.0 too (it update by itself with a script in cron)
15:55:01 <selsta> otherwise nothing interesting
15:55:45 <nioc> just tagged, will be available for DL very soon
15:55:55 <selsta> the GUI has a nice performance improvement after wallet opening
15:56:11 <selsta> there was a 10 second delay between wallet opening and refresh that is now gone
16:03:30 <sgp[m]1> Campaign to Continue ETH-XMR Atomic Swap Development: https://magicgrants.org/noot-ETH-XMR-Atomic-Swaps/
16:11:02 <al800[m]1> Node updated!
16:12:50 <al800[m]1> I assume a new GUI update will be released soon? GUI 0.18 still say that you need ledger app 0.16+
16:13:33 <al800[m]1> I answer to myself lol, I think I see some commit for that in the git
16:13:47 <r4v3r23[m]> some one here mentioned calculating the cost of a CPU 51% attack vs an asic one a while back
16:14:06 <r4v3r23[m]> who was that?
16:16:19 <selsta> al800[m]1: monero gui v0.18.1.0 should be released later today (or you can compile it yourself), ledger app 1.8.0 will be released tomorrow in developer mode
16:17:42 <monerobull[m]> r4v3r23[m]: That ignores the fact that ASICs lead to mining farms which could be forced to behave a certain way by law, which would be pretty cheap 
16:18:22 <al800[m]1> monerobull[m]: Yeah, and we already saw bitcoin "compliant" pools
16:18:35 <monerobull[m]> And that was by choice 
16:18:57 <al800[m]1> monerobull[m]: exactly, imajin if it was not by choice..
16:19:17 <monerobull[m]> Now that lawmakers know it's possible to enforce sanctions on a miner-level, they could easily make every registered miner do it
16:20:03 <monerobull[m]> And since majority btc hashrate is now located in the US, it's even more likely to happen 
16:27:57 <Rucknium[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "some one here mentioned calculat..." <- Probably endor00 
16:36:14 <merope> Yep, I did that
16:37:06 <merope> <monerobull[m]> "That ignores the fact that ASICs..." <- Technically you can do the same thing with cpus. In fact they're already organized in nice big datacenters, ready to go at the push of a button
16:37:16 <merope> <r4v3r23[m]> "who was that?" <- Sup
16:38:48 <merope> The only difference is that asics have an additional "weakness" due to their specialization, i.e. a government can force a manufacturer to shut down and/or selectively deliver products in certain regions of the world
16:39:27 <merope> Whereas you can't realistically take over cpu manufacturing/delivery without upsetting a significant portion of the world, and global trade
16:46:04 <monerobull[m]> It's a major difference if you tell a company with it's entire purpose being "producing Bitcoin blocks" to keep to money transmitter rules or something similar or shut down vs telling AWS to shut down customer machines and use em to attack a Blockchain
16:47:16 <monerobull[m]> One can be forced by law, the other they'd have to pay for 
16:47:31 <al800[m]1> monerobull[m]: You could requisition all "available" cpu. Don't know how much CPU that would be.
16:48:00 <monerobull[m]> Still would have to pay for power and usage like a normal customer
16:48:33 <al800[m]1> You know, when you control the money printer, getting more CPU is really not a problem
16:48:59 <monerobull[m]> Not an argument in this discussion 
16:49:05 <al800[m]1> If we are talking about states actions again crypto / monero
16:50:08 <monerobull[m]> Fact is, you can easily justify forcing miners into censoring the chain but you can't do the same for spending tins of taxpayers dollars on attacking some small crypto thing most have never heard of
16:50:45 <monerobull[m]> s/tins/tons/
16:50:59 <al800[m]1> monerobull[m]: True, regulating centralized miners is easier
16:51:14 <al800[m]1> Or just the pool for that matter
16:51:29 <al800[m]1> s/pool/pools/
16:52:26 <al800[m]1>  * Or just the pools for that matter. Can even do it without telling the miners.
17:27:50 <rayatina[m]> So i've devised a plan for the website
17:29:55 <rayatina[m]> It'll say welcome to my hax0r vpn website", i'll have my social media (my discord and matrix) and then i'll have my xmr address and under that it'll say "in case you want to support or want new services added like an xmr or tor node
17:30:38 <rayatina[m]> I should probably have a tor site too right?
17:31:23 <monerobull[m]> So you want other people to use your server as VPN?
17:32:27 <rayatina[m]> monerobull[m]: It'll be a small one for me and a small amount of trusted people
17:32:35 <monerobull[m]> Ah ok
17:32:47 <rayatina[m]> I have some islamist friends who want a vpn (for non-terrorism purposes btw)
17:34:10 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: So i'll let them use it sometimes, and then i have a small amount of people on the xmr matrix or discord i'll allow to use it
17:35:28 <rayatina[m]> And if anyone wants a tor or monero node i'll have my xmr address there so people can donate
17:35:45 <rayatina[m]> Then i can buy more servers
19:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakepay privacy policy was updated to remove some of that scary language 
19:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://ionia.docsend.com/view/jaqsmbq9w7dzvnqf
20:00:16 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 132: August 4 - 11, 2022. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-132.html
20:05:59 <nioc> v0.18.1 is now available 
21:37:16 <ct[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Cakepay privacy policy was updated to remove some of that scary language 
21:37:16 <ct[m]> > 
21:37:16 <ct[m]> > https://ionia.docsend.com/view/jaqsmbq9w7dzvnqf
21:37:16 <ct[m]> that is a significant improvement!
21:56:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> It is
23:39:59 <rayatina[m]> Xmr.beauty is up
23:40:14 <rayatina[m]> Https://www.xmr.beauty
23:59:56 <jwinterm[m]> Beautiful 😄