00:00:54 uh... so apparently not all messages showing up on my end 00:00:55 sech1 screenshot: https://p2pool.io/u/a418bb5b476bac16/binance.png 00:00:55 on my end: https://p2pool.io/u/a418bb5b476bac16/binance.png 00:01:50 https://i.ibb.co/tYy30t5/image.png 00:01:59 * on my end: https://i.ibb.co/tYy30t5/image.png 00:02:46 maybe you have me on /ignore :D 00:04:46 Twitter Space tomorrow at 2:30p ET. Join if you can! https://twitter.com/monero/status/1557879066413391872 00:23:48 wouldnt put u in ignore selsta!!! LOL, other messages didnt show up either and apparently having the issues on most channels, they do show up from that matrix.org account tho, just not the other one... oh well 00:32:21 (actually, scrolling up from that acc, the messages from sech1 screenshot didnt show up either, weird af, tho there's like 10 hours of messages from today that do show up in here. not the other acc, errrrrrr.... wtf LOL) 00:36:32 and i wouldnt think that's an irc-matrix bridge issue either cause some of ofrnxmr messages that are from the same side as i am (matrix) didnt show up on either accounts (but did from sech1 perspective) so fucking weird 00:38:58 Matrix sucks 00:39:12 Is my diagnosis 00:39:22 guess so 00:39:42 I dont see any msgs from sech1 00:40:45 oh i dont think he actually wrote in the chat, he posted the screenshot on reddit tho 00:56:55 https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/wm5th1/exodus_changes_with_xmr/ijxl29c/ 00:57:04 Exodus wont be ready 01:02:50 Lol losers 01:03:03 Imagine using a closed source wallet 01:04:39 Exodus is fine imo, for shitcoins holding. 01:04:39 But monero is not a shitcoin and deserve a proper wallet 01:04:59 Exodus is not fine LOL 01:05:10 They literally wont be ready 😅 01:07:13 How can they, they have other things to do and many shitcoins to manage. 01:07:13 A dedicated wallet will always be more proper imo, specially for a coin like monero 01:10:53 Exodusty 01:12:53 Ledger emailed me today saying they would have an update ready on the same day as the Hard Fork. Would have liked at least an extra day... Anyone hear otherwise? 01:17:10 Hey, at least they got back to you :) 01:20:25 Regarding Ledger, they will release v1.8.0 in developer mode tomorrow. The app will go live in normal mode next week. 01:20:25 Enabling developer mode requires like 2 clicks so shouldn't be too much of a problem. 01:20:38 ^^ posted here earlier today 01:21:44 eudaimon36[m]: ^^ 01:22:23 Great, thanks! Sorry didn't see that. 01:22:34 yw :) 01:22:52 Shh 01:22:52 Ledger told him saturday 01:22:55 lol, ok 01:22:56 Who cares what they told selsta :) 01:22:56 "The customer is always right, dammit!" 01:23:13 I have no friends, so the secret's safe 01:24:59 The current block height is 2,687,627. Fork height is 2,688,888. 1,261 blocks to go, happening in approximately 42.03 hours 01:25:09 ofrnxmr[m]: it was Saturday originally but I asked them for tomorrow and they said ok 01:25:17 w0w 06:49:25 "That ignores the fact that ASICs..." <- i understand that, but i was looking specifically to counter "its much cheaper to 51% attack a CPU-mined coin than ASIC" 06:50:06 "Whereas you can't realistically..." <- do you have stats for this? 06:54:35 "i understand that, but i was..." <- My analysis is about the upfront cost of the hardware needed to match the current hardware. I don't have the latest numbers right now, but BTC and ETH were in the order of ~$10B, while Monero ~$100-200M 06:55:14 (Assuming you buy new, and ignoring any supply availability issues) 06:56:48 Note that the cost of the energy required to mine is pretty much negligible in comparison, unless you intend to keep up the attack for a long time (multiple weeks) 07:05:31 (For BTC it should be ~$10-20M/day in electricity @0.10 $/kWh, if my napkin math is correct) 07:10:04 BTC market cap is 150 times bigger, BTC daily emission in $ is 300 times bigger than, so 100x difference in 51% attack cost is no surprise 07:17:35 endor00: thanks 07:18:33 Yep, it follows mining emission 07:18:58 (Because difficulty follows it) 07:19:03 so cost is a non-issue for a state attacker on both BTC & XMR, miner centralization presents a problem for both, but only CPU mined coin has a chance to "fight back" using hardware thats available to everyone 07:27:05 endor00: do you have the math lying around some where? 07:33:44 "so cost is a non-issue for a..." <- Correct. All pow coins work in fundamentally the same way - the difference in the hardware manufacturing and distribution process. The general-purposeness of cpus makes them much harder to "censor", unlike the highly-specialized asics 07:35:58 "endor00: do you have the math..." <- I have not updated this with the latest improvements, but you can get the idea from this: https://gist.github.com/07364dc54f277abf487574d455d67341 07:36:26 I have a similar one for BTC, but I have not published it anywhere and can't atm 07:48:12 How do I upgrade lalanza808s docker node 07:51:53 I tried docker-compose down -> build -> make 07:52:03 But still on 17.2.3 07:53:08 down -> update the docker-compose.yml file to the newer version -> docker-compose up 07:57:35 Would that be in context: dockerfiles 07:57:54 Or dockerfiles: monerod_noncompile 07:58:17 These are the two points under build: 08:06:16 Kek 08:06:27 The version number is hardcoded 08:19:49 Haha I'm such a hackerman 08:20:44 I found the right config thing and changed the download and hash, build, up and now I'm on 18.1 ^^ 08:21:21 Oh and i did it via my Webbrowser because normal ssh always just died after 2 minutes 08:34:25 "Oh and i did it via my Webbrowse..." <- `tmux` after ssh'ing into so can always go back to that tmux session even when getting disconnected 08:40:06 "Haha I'm such a hackerman" <- And now I've opened a pull request to upgrade this in the original repo 08:44:05 And now I've realized the repo is not maintained anymore and someone else is not maintaining it here: https://codeberg.org/jahway603/docker-monero-node 08:44:19 s/not/now/ 09:35:13 Do I lose monero if i reset my gui wallet database? 09:39:23 At what blockheight is the HF? 09:40:12 what? 09:40:29 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Who cares what they told selsta :) 09:40:29 > 09:40:29 > "The customer is always right, dammit!" 09:40:29 ☝🏾 09:47:35 just have your backupseed available and its all good nomatter what you do. as long as you have the seed 09:48:47 (or send all your xmr to me) 09:48:49 (unless you send all your xmr to me) 11:08:42 "At what blockheight is the HF?" <- 2.688.888 11:09:17 Current block is 2687918 11:10:44 The current block height is 2,687,919. Fork height is 2,688,888. 969 blocks to go, happening in approximately 32.30 hours 11:10:48 aremor[m]: ^^ 11:10:55 Where's the Friday market thread on reddit 11:11:00 I just got another 10k stickers and need a place to shill /s 11:11:59 maybe I should read b4 posting :) 11:12:37 monerobull[m]: reminds me, I haz stickers to put up 11:13:28 same, still have like 2k out of the 5k 11:13:28 Maybe not that bad really, I'll need to close up shop during the hardfork anyway 11:13:54 Will have to test out if the payment gateway still works 11:23:26 mempool is currently 1k txs and there have been full blocks for the last 60-70 blocks 11:23:35 adoption \o/ 11:25:35 There's so much talk about tx size and scalability issues that comes with it, I wonder how much regular FIAT bank transfer weights... 11:26:26 judging from the fields, it ain't that light 11:26:53 and most definitely every transaction is stored permanently 11:52:19 Difference is centralized storage and compute is cheap and easy 11:53:05 "mempool is currently 1k txs..." <- Minexmr payouts and people either selling or buying in anticipation of the fork? 11:54:00 I doubt it's buying and selling 11:54:23 mempool still rising >1500 now 11:55:30 minexmr hmmmm 11:57:41 https://0x0.st/o220.png 12:10:02 1800 queued transactions 12:10:02 Only 50tx per block 12:10:29 Rucknium: or Morpheus: you keeping track? 12:10:58 last block 7 hours ago ? 12:12:10 I dont have that data, sadly 12:12:53 txstreet displays this, must be some mistake 12:13:34 https://xmrchain.net/ 12:13:46 blocks are coming as usual, no thousands of transactions pending bullshit 12:15:14 there are a LOT of consolidating transactions? like 14/2 13/2 etc... 12:15:50 Yeah ^ 12:16:08 block size not growing, median 100 blocks still just < 300kB 12:16:13 Perhaps Binance wallet is coming back online... 12:16:58 Binance has nothing to consolidate lol 12:17:53 *Binance_scam, sorry. 12:18:41 So..... 12:18:41 Anyone do a test tx to see how long to get in a block? 12:19:08 And anyone know if/when/how much pressure needed for dynamic blocks get activated 12:20:25 transactions are as fast as usual 12:20:43 How? 12:21:10 There are 1800 (10-20 blocks) in queue 12:21:11 ? 12:21:15 no 12:21:32 link me 12:21:32 1800 tx* 12:21:46 https://www.exploremonero.com/info 12:23:27 will send a test tx 12:25:53 need to wait a moment for full sync 12:36:51 minxmr is closing and they had thousands of miners 12:37:32 most txs are 1/2 or 2/2 12:38:14 most tx in latest blocks are mostly 19+/2 12:38:24 looks almost as if someone was slowly increasing the number of ins 12:38:38 was 19/2 and has been growing up to 34/2 12:38:50 I looked back about 60 blocks, most looked normal 12:39:20 that was about 20 blocks ago 12:39:29 yeah only in the last hour 12:39:35 have the number of inputs been steadily growing 12:39:54 you normally get clusters of txs with many ins 12:40:05 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (978KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/mCEuEnjyGCgMvmspTZpelxGV/Imagepipe_350.jpg > 12:40:07 A lot bigger than that 12:40:08 the joy of p2pool 12:40:25 194/2 12:40:48 Haha indeed 12:40:54 binance fixing their wallet issues :D 12:41:13 xmrmine closing 12:41:20 world ending 12:42:27 just in case all is gunna be ok I am going to do my laundry 12:42:38 ofrnxmr: I don't record mempool data at the moment. Maybe neptune does. There's this, but it just records block propagation and re-orgs I think: https://github.com/neptuneresearch/monerod-archive 12:44:39 https://xmrchain.net/tx/d525c7e468be87c70f8a2268ede6ca0d3392f4bb0342a6184bf4daee5bedab07 12:44:44 These look like miner tx? 12:46:59 >estimated 46 block (92 minutes) backlog 12:47:11 Woah 12:47:24 1.6k in mempool 12:48:07 I really love my dashboard 12:48:30 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (71KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/FKvWjSbwALdfoFlcFIWkhYhf/Screenshot%202022-08-12%20144734.png > 12:48:45 This is 24 h 12:51:09 I was going to ping you to ask if your chart was running :P 12:51:32 done syncing, last ~70 blocks took much more time than usual 12:54:20 it's because they're full 12:54:38 kk 12:54:39 .mempool 12:55:12 monerobull - where you get this nice dashboard ? 12:57:50 I've built it myself:3 12:58:11 Using this https://codeberg.org/jahway603/docker-monero-node 12:59:36 nice 13:00:57 tx pending out for 8 min now :D 13:02:37 I'll make a video tutorial when i get around to it 13:02:42 which wallet did you use? 13:02:50 official cli 13:02:56 it should automatically set a higher fee so that it gets mined fast 13:02:58 latest 13:03:15 default transfer command 13:03:34 "Screenshot 2022-08-12 144734.png" <- l33t h4ckz0r dashboard 13:04:39 monerod syncs nicely with new blocks, but still waiting 13:06:46 ofrnxmr: wagwan with binance PR 13:07:53 monerobull[m]: I need that dashboard for my car 13:09:49 still waiting, i wonder whats the time limit for transfers on DNM's, it could mess them up 13:10:37 r4v3r23[m]: Selsta had said they have real wallet issues.. dont know details but once we know, id like to know what happened, if this is a regular thing and why 13:11:19 nioc: Uh, probably doable 13:12:08 ofrnxmr[m]: this one time or every single time they block withdrawals? 13:12:40 https://grafana.com/blog/2021/09/21/with-grafana-and-influxdb-css-electronics-visualizes-can-iot-data-to-monitor-vehicles-and-machinery/ 13:12:44 Yeah, thats what im waiting to find out 13:12:44 monerobull[m]: nice, my car is from the last century 13:13:07 ofrnxmr[m]: do you think they will disclose internal wallet details to you? lol 13:13:16 no exchange would do that 13:13:55 Not to me? But everybody is under the impression binance is lying 13:14:03 there's no issues with bitcoin being public 13:14:06 You're the first ive heard that they weren't 13:14:27 selsta: have they ever reached out in the past? 13:14:42 the only reason they wouldn't post proof of balance is.... they are scammers. 13:14:59 no need for view key even, there is a proof mechanism / command in the wallet 13:15:18 they won't do it because ->scam. 13:15:20 My question is: is it a monero bug? A Binance issue? 13:15:20 Why does it happen and should users not have confidence on binance or large exchanges? 13:15:20 Is it something tradeogre, haveno etc have to worry about? 13:16:15 I dont care about binance internal issue, I care about if its a Binance issue or a bug with monero that others need to be careful of when developing their products (serai is another one) 13:17:35 even if they gave away view key, it wouldnt show sending outputs, would have to wait for the seraphis/jamtis thingy for that 13:18:23 we dont need view key. just reliable withdrawals, or preferably, a delisting 13:18:41 yea let's have even less exchanges :D 13:18:55 centralized* 13:19:21 selsta: are you worried about the TC dev arrest and what it might mean for monero 13:19:22 "less exchanges" they're not even in USA apparently 13:19:57 so, sure, usa is 3rd world country cause binance have the most volume even if not available over there, that's 100% the proof that usa is literally 3rd world country 13:20:01 r4v3r23[m]: waiting on more details first 13:20:22 quite sure tornado cash had a token? it's possible that they profited off it? 13:20:24 Thanks @selsta 13:20:45 also they did mixing for usdc and usdt which the government probably doesn't like at all 13:21:05 TORN 13:21:15 did they profit from it? 13:21:38 ofrnxmr: the difference with binance and the others is that, they also own coinmarketcap and are literally making the narrative, would tradeogre be able to? 13:22:17 selsta: arrested for "concealing criminal financial flows and facilitating money laundering through the mixing of cryptocurrencies" 13:22:33 no mention of profit, just working on the project that enabled it 13:22:35 55% (5,500,000 TORN): DAO treasury, will be unlocked linearly over 5 years with 3 month cliff 13:22:35 30% (3,000,000 TORN): Founding developers and early supporters, will be unlocked linearly over 3 years with 1 year cliff 13:23:53 gotta get out of home and can't wait for the tx to go through, but it's been 31 min now and it's still pending out ;) 13:23:56 that's multiple million 13:26:38 r4v3r23[m]: the government taking down mixers has been happening for a while, and the treasury also warned tornado cash in the past 13:26:55 so far they did not warn or do anything about privacy coins from what i can tell 13:27:37 was it coinjoin or somethin like that which got on the list as well? 13:27:58 i mean, awhile back 13:28:05 selsta: did you know how much pressure it would take to push us into dynamic blocks? 13:28:38 i do not 13:28:54 32 block backlog 13:30:24 2076 tx in mempool wow lol 13:30:59 9.1mb 13:30:59 32 blocks is the stretching point? So ~ 10mb? 13:30:59 Lfggg 13:31:06 not 13:31:19 no, I just meant there is currently a 32 block backlog until the mempool is empty again 13:32:00 Oh okok. 13:32:25 ofrnxmr[m]: is that unusual? 13:33:08 Definitely 13:33:16 Thats bitcoin level of backlog 13:33:27 whats the reason? 13:33:34 just high usage? 13:33:34 Only ~ 50tx/ block going through 13:33:38 Someone is consolidating thousands of inputs 13:33:40 A lot of 194in/2out tx 13:34:09 "Imagepipe_350.jpg" <- You can see some here 13:34:31 Multiple per second 13:35:15 r4v3r23[m]: minexmr closing and sending txs to it's thousands of miners 13:35:39 *its 13:36:17 shouldnt dynamic blocks help in this situation? 13:37:06 it takes time to adjust, otherwise it would be easy to spam the chain 13:37:21 nioc: If so, it was not a good idea for them to wait like this. At the end of the 24 hour grace period for the hard fork, those transactions will be dropped from the mempool forever and would need to be re-sent with ring size 16, view tags, etc 13:38:10 for sure, they did confirm that they sent out many txs 13:38:19 no numbers that I am aware of 13:38:44 Rucknium[m]: we still have enough time until the hardfork for these tx to get mined 13:38:52 blocks are already growing 13:38:59 it will be sorted before hardfork 13:39:16 The current block height is 2,687,988. Fork height is 2,688,888. 900 blocks to go, happening in approximately 30.00 hours 13:54:15 Xmrchain.net 13:54:26 Why are there so many txs with exactly 194 inputs? 13:58:15 minexmr sending out their inputs to miners 13:58:16 that is the max size allowed 13:59:32 someone is combining a large amount of inputs 13:59:59 it happens 14:00:51 I was thinking MineXMR as well. Wasn't aware of 194 being the max...I'm also a little jumpy with the tornado cash stuff going on 😁 14:11:48 Let's combine our inputs to create a new output 14:12:01 ^^^this is how nerds make babies 14:18:42 r4v3r23[m]: "The agency also claimed that the people behind the organization — not specifying if that's the developers who coded it or members of the DAO that runs it — made large-scale profits from these transactions" 14:19:20 they did point profiting from it 14:20:39 xenu[m]1: that is probably someone other than minexmr, more likely either an entity's wallet maintenance or p2pool miner 14:22:55 Large/consolidation transactions make sense to send right now, considering the fee changes coming. 14:25:46 no of txs: 1180, size: 2450.45 kB 14:26:01 going down 14:33:09 "r4v3r23: "The agency also..." <- guess well find out what the exact crime is soon enough 14:55:11 no of txs: 109, size: 169.44 kB 14:55:34 now we need something else to get excited about :P 14:56:38 how about 6779 miners (250 MH/s) still on minexmr flooding IRC and reddit soon? 14:56:49 and probably github too 14:57:04 was jusr about to mention lol 14:58:01 we should have a C&P ready for that 15:00:43 I wonder how much of those are bots. As far as I know nobody could ever get hard numbers of the number and hashrate of bots on minexmr 15:01:11 But at least bots won't flood Reddit with complaints :) 15:06:22 you sure? 15:06:34 there are soo many bots on reddit currenlty 15:07:16 the future has arrived \o/ 15:08:14 they even have bots now that analyze the post and use AI to write a comment 15:10:21 selsta: some of them are kinda funny 15:18:52 GPT-3 bots on reddit yet? o.o 15:18:52 cause that turing test thingy never stood a chance against that :3 15:20:05 the comment output was garbage, definitely not gpt-3 15:20:28 aw 😿 15:23:45 Back over 1000 tx in the mempool. Seems like the originator may have just paused to allow the pool to clear, which would be quite nice of them. I believe the longest time a transaction has had to wait to be mined today is just under 4 hours. 15:26:22 well hot damn, definitely would have thought that dynamic blocksize would have prevented a 4 hours wait :O 15:26:37 would now be a time where a higher tx fee would give your transaction priority? 15:28:03 yes 15:29:58 good, than I did understand it correctly 15:30:08 s/than/then/ 15:31:50 If this had been a gradual thing happening over months like normal organic growth, than dynamic blocksize would have saved us from a 4 hour wait. 15:31:50 Bit this is a massive spike in just a few hours. As far as the dynamic block size algorithm is concerned, this is indistinguishable from a spam attack. 15:32:24 yes, dynamic block size isn't for short term bursts within a day 15:33:10 wen rbf 15:33:32 .lenny 15:33:44 rbf? 15:33:59 rainbow facet? 15:34:00 replace by fee 15:34:20 something btc has for similar scenarios 15:34:37 don't know if it's even possible with monero 15:35:02 Right now, no. But we could certainly program it if we wanted 15:35:19 And introduce it with a hardfork 15:35:34 Because, after all, we know how to hardfork :) 15:35:52 **software upgrade 15:36:17 wouldnt that risk not having tx uniformity type of thing anymore tho? 15:36:19 That sounds so incredibly boring 15:36:48 yes it does 15:36:53 Not sure, seems to me all the action would only happen in the mempool where it's temporary 15:37:05 Rbf destroys 0confs tho 15:37:08 Not entering the blockchain 15:37:11 why is monero all of a sudden increasing its default ringsize? 15:37:21 why all the sudden? 15:37:40 we increased it multiple times over the years 15:37:44 You mean from today (where you first heard about Monero) until tomorrow (hardfork)? 15:37:51 its had default 12 ringsize for years 15:38:14 11, but yeah 15:38:25 'Cause BP+ and verification time optimizations made it worthwhile. 15:38:29 yoyoyoyoyo: cause blockzie is getting lower from that bulletproof+ so might as well while seraphis with that 128 ring size keeps getting ready for the coming years 15:38:38 since we now use better cryptography we can increase the ring size without having significantly larger transactions 15:39:02 s/blockzie/blocksize/ 15:39:05 we are able to without increasing tx size compared to when 11 was first introduced because of size efficiencies that have been added 15:39:23 yoyoyoyoyo: ^^ 15:39:32 ok but was 11 not safe then? 15:39:35 (it is still a small tx size increase though) 15:39:55 there has to be a ringsize that is good enough 15:40:08 it was safe but 16 is safer for certain scenarios 15:41:05 where are those scenarios listed on the monero website? 15:41:13 yoyoyoyoyo: Depends on threat model of the user, any additional side-channel info an adversary may have, etc. 15:41:28 there is a new protocol being worked on that may be used in a couple of years that will have 128 ringsize 15:41:42 Search "breaking monero" on youtube. 15:41:49 There has been specific research into resistance to specific types of attack, and how large ring size has to be to defeat them. See.... 15:41:50 also note that privacy is not static but a constant battle 15:42:19 exactly, ciphertrace been giving a shot at it for couple years now while at 11 15:42:41 so why not make it a bit tougher or them now :3 15:43:11 s/or/on/ 15:43:14 See this discussion: 15:43:14 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/717#issuecomment-1176581931 15:43:43 Anyway, 16 is nicer than 11 as a number, so there's that 15:43:51 yoyoyoyoyo: There has never been a legal action taken in any jurisdiction on the planet as a result of tracing a Monero transaction. No warrants issued, arrests made, depositions taken... nothing. I welcome correction on this point if you have credible evidence. 15:43:51 That has to be 'good enough.' 15:43:51 As other have said, the point is to be ahead of the game and always be improving. 15:44:46 doesnt firo offer a massive ringsize without trusted setups? 15:45:40 They do (or they will?) with a system quite similar that was already mentioned that is worked out currently for Monero, Lelantus Spark versus Seraphis for Monero 15:46:10 With massive = 128 15:46:47 Yeah, but it's also effectively beta software. Good ideas from coins like firo get adopted by monero once they're proven. Monero doesn't take risks like that. 15:47:42 oh i thought firos tech and moneros tech were to completely different things 15:48:32 BusyBoredom: lelantus spark was resesrched for monero integration 15:48:43 By the same person doing it in firo 15:49:23 Found it in a MRL meeting log: "Firo is planning on Q3 2022 for adoption of Lelantus Spark" 15:49:27 And seraphis is ~ similar to lelantus, or inspired by 15:50:50 Was the reason we didnt go with lelantus re multisig? 15:51:13 Iirc it was potentially incompatible 15:55:20 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (183KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/QcUXQpAKZghuysNcfMEFRLvI/Imagepipe_351.jpg > 15:55:45 Kucoin seems to have started their upgrade 15:56:35 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (184KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/GCbOkGoetNRGWskDaAXgjyFg/Imagepipe_352.jpg > 16:02:38 Ledger app v1.8.0 is out 16:21:14 https://www.getmonero.org/2021/12/22/what-is-seraphis.html 16:21:29 after reading that it looks like its the better solution than firo 16:21:57 but is it coming to monero and when? 16:26:32 Whenever it's done, probably the next hard fork it look like. 16:26:58 Development is hard to estimate though, and often late. 16:27:37 (universally hard to estimate and often late, not just for monero) 16:28:43 the wip hasnt been touched in 6 months so prob years it seems 16:30:48 yoyoyoyoyo: https://github.com/UkoeHB/monero/tree/seraphis_lib 16:30:52 last commit 19h ago 16:31:36 so everybody is combining their inputs before the fees increase therefore paying higher fees to do so 16:32:44 no of txs: 681, size: 1694.71 kB 16:33:48 How significant will be the fee increase in after the hard fork? 16:34:31 I believe the min fee goes up 5x 16:34:40 to almost 1 cent 16:35:26 ofc it's priced in xmr 16:35:53 The fee change is the last push I need to finally start using testnet for testing. 16:36:15 how can i check the progress of that css that was funded a couple months ago about the statistical attack that can defeat monero? 16:37:26 correction: at current price the min fee would go up to 0.5 cents for a 1in 2 out tx 16:39:42 noic where can I find the equation for that? 16:43:26 BusyBoredom[m]: not sure, I am going by my tx cost 16:44:47 it's currently ~0.00000580 xmr for 1 in 2 out and was around 0.000007xx for 2in 2 out 16:45:59 you might get an answer in -dev or the main monero channel 16:46:37 Doing some lazy copy-paste here, but from the fee change conversation here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7819 16:46:38 ...there's a pdf detailing some example calculations: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/files/6906846/MoneroScaling2021-02.pdf 16:46:44 The fee calculation is terribly complicated, it's really best to just grab a typical tx on testnet or stagenet which forked already and compare with mainnet fees 16:47:22 I did likewise to confirm that factor of 5 myself 16:48:36