01:31:43 <rayatina[m]> Yo guys
01:31:49 <rayatina[m]> Let's make a vote
01:32:24 <rayatina[m]> Should i keep the vpn idea or should i just do services (like a searx or invidious service
01:33:46 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: Then if i get enough funding i might buy another vps for a vpn service (after starting a tor or xmr node)
01:37:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wait, so youre going to run a tor node and charge people to use it?
03:00:27 <mike_> May I have some help, please? I dowloaded v0.18 for linux from getmonero.org. Tar file looks empty in Archive Manager, but files seem to extract okay, EXCEPT they all show as: last modified Fri 13 Dec 1901 03:13:41 LMT. I would like to update my gui wallet but I'm concerned by this behavior. Any thoughts?
03:01:29 <mike_> Using Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia
03:03:55 <mike_> Currently running wallet v0.17.3.1
03:05:27 <hinto[m]> verify the hash of the tar against: https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt
03:05:58 <hinto[m]> and also the pgp signature if you know how to do that
03:06:35 <hinto[m]> if they both match then you're all good
03:07:10 <mike_> Thank you, working on it...
03:08:23 <spacekitty420[m4> or could just compile from source, if on linux is very simple, literally just copy pasting the 3 - 4 commands that on the readme file on github
03:12:15 <spacekitty420[m4> https://github.com/monero-project/monero#compiling-monero-from-source... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/194ef3ed1e29828eed389e181eb57491b3ae84ec)
03:12:54 <spacekitty420[m4> then "The resulting executables can be found in build/release/bin"
03:16:01 <mike_> Will consider that, spacekitty, if I can't verify...
03:16:12 <mike_> Got the following from gpg:
03:16:15 <mike_> gpg: Signature made Thu 11 Aug 2022 07:02:55 AM EDT
03:16:15 <mike_> gpg:                using RSA key 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92
03:16:15 <mike_> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
03:17:39 <mike_> The above is from the command: mike:~/Desktop$ gpg --verify hashes.txt
03:17:55 <escapethe3ra[m]> you have to import the public key first
03:18:02 <mike_> ,,,having downloaded the hashes.txt file to desktop.
03:18:31 <escapethe3ra[m]> I wrote a guide, but it's for Linux and the CLI: https://monero.observer/verify-install-update-monero-cli-wallet-linux-guide/
03:18:47 <mike_> Oops! Sorry, scrolled up the page and see that now... brb!
03:19:23 <mike_> I am working in CLI on linux, but managing so far with the user guide page on the web site...
03:20:27 <selsta> mike_: it will be fixed in the next release
03:20:33 <escapethe3ra[m]> good, grab key, check fingerprint and import before verifying
03:20:47 <selsta> the package script I used set the timestamp wrong
03:22:00 <mike_> Okay selsta! That's wonderful to know! Thank you.
03:22:19 <mike_> Meanwhile, I get this:
03:22:22 <mike_> mike@dragon:~/Desktop$ gpg --import binaryfate.asc
03:22:22 <mike_> gpg: can't open 'binaryfate.asc': No such file or directory
03:22:22 <mike_> gpg: Total number processed: 0
03:22:47 <selsta> do you have a file named that way on desktop?
03:23:11 <spacekitty420[m4> `ls -la` to see the files, is the binaryfate.asc in that folder? use tab key for autocompletion when typing a file's name
03:23:11 <escapethe3ra[m]> you need to cd to the folder with the .asc file first
03:23:11 <mike_> No. How do I get that, or where should it be?
03:23:50 <spacekitty420[m4> cd ~/Downloads probably
03:23:58 <escapethe3ra[m]> how did you dl the .asc file? terminal, tor browser?
03:24:05 <mike_> Alright... I have to scroll ALL the way back and follow the damn instructions correctly! I'll get this right eventually! LOL!
03:25:59 <escapethe3ra[m]> mike you can just run this `wget -O binaryfate.asc https://raw.githubusercontent.com/monero-project/monero/master/utils/gpg_keys/binaryfate.asc` in a terminal and then it should work
03:35:34 <mike_> Okay, I've verified my downloaded .tar file. Thank you for prompting me!
03:36:32 <mike_> selsta, or anyone: Should I go ahead and install what I've got, squirrely dates and all, then, or wait for the next release, which is expected when?
03:37:14 <selsta> there is no risk with the timestamp
03:37:51 <mike_> Okay. Thank you!
03:38:09 <mike_> I appreciate y'all being here to help.
03:41:42 <spacekitty420[m4> cheers :3
07:43:57 <r4v3r23[m]> does the "automatic" fee option in GUI bump up the priority in high demand situations like yesterday?
12:20:08 <ypavtv97lx[m]> https://gizmodo.com/ethereum-proof-of-stake-september-19-merge-date-bitcoin-1849316290
12:20:09 <ypavtv97lx[m]> "Proof-of-work only adds to the ongoing e-waste problem."
12:20:09 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Disinformation campaigns to advertise PoS crap, with RandomX PoW it's actually helping to reduce e-waste by using hardware that would otherwise end up on the junkyard.
12:29:16 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Ethereum 3.0 Announcement:  "We are moving from PoS to one central server running purely on enteric gas that will manage everything to reduce environment harm created by distributed consensus."
12:30:20 <ypavtv97lx[m]> By switching to Eth 3.0 you will get airdrop of 10% discount coupon to use in vegetarian restaurants.
12:36:06 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Ethereum 4.0 Announcement: "We are closing the Ethereum server to further reduce the harm on environment. If you want to help us, put a plastic bag on your head for five minutes. Thank You -Vitalik LLC."
12:36:38 <ypavtv97lx[m]> s/plastic/paper/
12:37:55 <ypavtv97lx[m]> * put a <del>plastic, * plastic</del>, *  paper bag on
12:49:12 <spacekitty420[m4> 😹
12:49:12 <spacekitty420[m4> ded af
12:50:18 <spacekitty420[m4> is like that cakepay youtuber video being all like ordering pizza but he saying that he vegan to save the planet and that's the best thing anyone could do to save the planet, that fucking propaganda bs gotten out of control lmao
12:51:42 <spacekitty420[m4> is literally like saying "the best way to save the planet is to kill all the hoomans and other living being on the planet cause they nefast to the environment" :derp: 
12:56:55 <spacekitty420[m4> https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=gFIg2ycs5-s
12:56:55 <spacekitty420[m4> at 3:06 literally shilling that being vegan is "single-handedly the best thing you can do to combat climate change"
13:01:38 <spacekitty420[m4> like, wtf is wrong to have some chickens in your backyard for some eggs? the fuck is wrong with being on a boat and fishing to sustain oneself?
13:01:38 <spacekitty420[m4> retarded ass propaganda cause apparently because of cows burps then you should also stop eating chicken, eggs, salmon....? so dumb
13:34:31 <plowsof> I switched to bugs years ago, i love it! Pinging selsta for r4v3r23 quesion " does automatic fee option in the GUI bump up the fee in high demand situations like yesterday " 
13:34:50 <garth> Backyard chickens are statistically more likely to have higher lead content than factory farms because many backyard chickens are raised in urban areas where lead paint was used on homes
13:35:11 <garth> https://theconversation.com/backyard-hens-eggs-contain-40-times-more-lead-on-average-than-shop-eggs-research-finds-187442
13:50:14 <spacekitty420[m4> damn that's fucked up, but could also just not be in the city, like i just dont get why anyone would rather live in city side rather than country side, is just so weird
13:51:14 <spacekitty420[m4> <plowsof> "I switched to bugs years ago..." <- fucking weirdo lmao
14:54:35 <Lyza> well the ocean is overfished, having chickens is probably fine but that's not how most people get their eggs, and red meat especially beef is just, god awful environmentally even if you don't gaf about animal welfare so. ye
15:22:39 <selsta> plowsof: yes it does bump the fee
15:22:49 <selsta> r4v3r23[m]: ^
15:28:13 <chesterfield[m]> Industrial meat is very nasty
15:28:24 <chesterfield[m]> Do not recommend.  Stick to vegetables if you can’t get meat from a farmer you trust
15:39:31 <CidadoisAncap[m]> We should try to build a localist monero circular economy capable of sustaining itself with organic red meat
15:59:39 <Siren[m]1> Nah we need pink sauce monero circular economy
15:59:48 <ct[m]> <garth> "https://theconversation.com/..." <- The entire topic is super complex, and  recommendations like "just be vegan bro" are oversimplifications. You can be vegan and still be worse to the environment than someone who isn't vegan.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e5bee9f490feb32830b8601b70bf093024dd52c6)
16:00:17 <ct[m]> The entire topic is super complex, and  recommendations like "just be vegan bro" are oversimplifications. You can be vegan and still be worse to the environment than someone who isn't vegan.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b1f22cc842a7c8bd993d9bb2be1734ea269ab06e)
16:03:34 <jwinterm[m]> It's not that complex to say if no one meat that greenhouse gas emissions would be waaaaaaay lower
16:04:08 <jwinterm[m]> That is one of my new things to throw at people that complain about energy consumption of proof of work
16:05:24 <jwinterm[m]> Oh you eat meat? Humans eating meat requires far more energy than proof of work. So humans raising animals en masse to consume their flesh is more important and a more justified use of energy than decentralized money.
16:05:26 <jwinterm[m]> Apparently
16:11:28 <ypavtv97lx[m]> PoW is all bad because Bitcoin proved it's creating e-waste, doesn't matter that PoW evolved.
16:11:28 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Privacy is bad because criminals use it as well.
16:11:28 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Everything today is seen in extremes - because it's easier to take a side than to think by yourself and carefully choose whats right and whats wrong, from the whole left/right political wings to most simple things.
16:13:01 <ypavtv97lx[m]> also due to people liking being in a group, socializing with others.
16:13:17 <spacekitty420[m4> its not that PoW evolved, it started out on CPU, XMR just went back to that cause it was actually the way, otherwise, the way it evolved elsewhere is what created e-waste, not how it started
16:13:57 <ypavtv97lx[m]> i was thinking about RandomX being ASIC resistant evolution (or rather revolution) 
16:14:03 <spacekitty420[m4> either way, as a cat, i disapprove of yall vegan propaganda, dont even make a kitty go vegan, thats fucked up
16:14:14 <spacekitty420[m4> s/even/ever/
16:17:39 <ypavtv97lx[m]> but i agree e-waste was also due to evolution of ASIC's themself.
16:18:14 <spacekitty420[m4> <chesterfield[m]> "Industrial meat is very nasty" <- and ur dad is industrial meat o.o
16:25:55 <ypavtv97lx[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy2zkzw9MYk
16:33:45 <gonbatfire[m]> Lmao look at some of the responses
16:33:45 <gonbatfire[m]> https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1558820994717974528?t=yGUs0cB8Ws56c2eTsoP23A&s=19
16:35:29 <gonbatfire[m]> A relatively easy fix for a bug in Bitcoin, already produces backlash because it requires a hard fork
16:35:31 <gonbatfire[m]> I'm so glad we don't have that "culture" over here
16:36:40 <spacekitty420[m4> gonbatfire[m]: eh... am also a tunnelled vision retarded maxi the same way btc maxi are tbh 😹
16:37:45 <jwinterm[m]> I actually work with a cat that is considering becoming veggie
16:39:48 <jwinterm[m]> He's kinda strange tho
16:40:01 <spacekitty420[m4> unless its an actual health condition thingy, it's most likely just hoomans pushing their insane ideologies and forcing them that way
16:47:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spacekitty, there are no health conditions for cats that would require a vegan diet 
16:47:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0
16:47:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wrong chat, but 0
16:48:46 <spacekitty420[m4> digestive issues or something like that, who knows but yeah like, never ever met a single cat that would say no to a fresh slice of ham or bacon
16:48:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Felines are _strict_ carnivores and require meat to survive.
16:48:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dogs, pigs and humans are carnivore scavengers. Biologically.... 
16:49:01 <chesterfield[m]> Americans eat tons of cheap industrial meat and they’re some of the healthiest people in the world
16:50:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> None of the above are herbivores, biologically.
16:50:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure a herbivore exists with the digestive system of a pig, human, or dog
16:51:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> And herbivores dont just eat veggies, they eat bacteria, parasites etc.
16:51:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Example, gorillas who are fed washed/cleaned veggies don't do well  
16:51:58 <chesterfield[m]> Just eat organic veggies with some real grass fed beef once a month or so
16:52:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is the correct group for this stuff 😂
16:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Grass fed beef 👍
16:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Grain fed beef 😮‍💨
16:53:02 <chesterfield[m]> Lots of grains like oats are covered in pesticide typically as well
16:53:18 <chesterfield[m]> Montero health community
16:53:32 <chesterfield[m]> s/health/helth/
16:54:01 <spacekitty420[m4> chesterfield[m]: basically what am getting at least for chicken, on the box its saying its raised out in the open, no gmo fed and all that good stuff :3
16:54:44 <spacekitty420[m4> also not being murican defintiely help having an healthy diet :3
16:55:35 <chesterfield[m]> Tbh most free range / grass fed is marketing bullshit.  Take a road trip and check out the chicken farm sometime
16:56:23 <spacekitty420[m4> yeah, moving to a farming community soon-ish, fun stuff :)
16:57:12 <chesterfield[m]> Metaverse farm?
16:57:20 <spacekitty420[m4> o.o
16:57:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think there were a few meat producers state side that I had retweeted or follower. They acceoted monero iirc
16:58:48 <spacekitty420[m4> heard there also was a big one but they're retarded bitcoin maxis unfortunately
16:59:40 <spacekitty420[m4> so some tried to shill monero to them but there were all like "nop, bitcoin only, fuck off with your shitcoin"
16:59:41 <chesterfield[m]> Bitcoin is for retarded nerds
17:00:06 <spacekitty420[m4> eh, more like for sellouts that dont have no spine
17:00:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ehhhh both
17:01:58 <chesterfield[m]> Will maxis grow brains on layer 4?
17:03:12 <spacekitty420[m4> layer 4 will be neuralink confirmed
17:03:30 <spacekitty420[m4> asic mining replaced by organic computing mining
17:03:42 <spacekitty420[m4> brain power over 9000 o.o
17:04:14 <jwinterm[m]> this is like a person that identifies as a cat, not an actual cat
17:04:23 <spacekitty420[m4> blep
17:04:24 <jwinterm[m]> presumably spacekitty420 would also fit that bill
17:04:38 <spacekitty420[m4> mlem :3
17:04:38 <jwinterm[m]> unless actual space kat with typing capabilities
17:04:42 <jwinterm[m]> :o
17:05:02 <jwinterm[m]> <chesterfield[m]> "Bitcoin is for retarded nerds" <- dat me
17:05:16 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Shrek: Bitcoin is like onion.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c37f0fc4e4ac2fe63d77286fd18f9677fa413b36)
17:06:04 <jwinterm[m]> now I want to buy onions for dinner using bitcoin
17:06:43 <spacekitty420[m4> thats pretty expensive in fees just to buy onions, doesnt seem very practical
17:07:01 <jwinterm[m]> I just sent my cat btc with 1 sat/byte
17:07:08 <jwinterm[m]> and got in a block quick
17:07:17 <spacekitty420[m4> :hyperthonk:
17:10:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ah. Community sundays.
17:10:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥲
17:14:58 <spacekitty420[m4> 78 blocks left before v16
17:15:15 <spacekitty420[m4> and who knows, maybe there wont be that many empty blocks after that...
17:15:40 <spacekitty420[m4> today been weird on that, like, not many transaction and soooo many empty blocks in average
17:17:37 <ct[m]> well, couldnt get GUI + ledger to work yesterday and monerujo (fdroid) isnt up to date either. The only functional wallet I have right now is cake
17:18:16 <ct[m]> I image other people have similar issues and simply can't transact
17:18:46 <ct[m]> or don't have the time to fix their setup
17:19:12 <plowsof> Did you get it working ct ? (Gui v0.18.1.0 and update the monero app in ledger live)
17:19:56 <ct[m]> not yet. Tried yesterday with the latest ledger live, latest ledger firmware, latest gui
17:20:18 <selsta> what exactly did not work?
17:20:46 <selsta> most people have no issues with updated gui + monero ledger app
17:21:03 <ct[m]> It didn't recognize the ledger, just like before I updated the firmware
17:21:23 <ct[m]> I'll retry it in a couple of hours after dinner
17:21:47 <ct[m]> * after dinner (and let you know if I got it two work or still have issues)
17:22:34 <al800[m]1> ct[m]: You have monejuro 3.0.2?
17:23:37 <plowsof> Linux? I see the error sometimes. I have to either restart the gui with the ledger unlocked or .. plug in and unlock the ledger at the wallet password prompt
17:23:58 <al800[m]1> * monejuro 3.0.2? (look like the binaries has been released like 19 hours ago)
17:24:28 <ct[m]> al800[m]1: it's not on the normal fdroid repo yet, and I have time to wait for that. I know its on the alpha repo but I'd rather use the automated update
17:24:55 <al800[m]1> ct[m]: https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/releases/tag/v3.0.2
17:24:55 <al800[m]1> They have apk there
17:25:21 <ct[m]> plowsof: Sry to disappoint, I'm still on windows 🫣
17:28:25 <al800[m]1> ct[m]: https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet
17:28:25 <al800[m]1> Right there in quickstart they tell you how to add there own fdroid repo, that could help too.
17:28:33 <selsta> you need to have ledger live closed, the ledger plugged in unlocked with monero app open
17:29:55 <ct[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet
17:29:55 <ct[m]> > Right there in quickstart they tell you how to add there own fdroid repo, that could help too.
17:29:55 <ct[m]> It's on fdroid now 🎉
17:30:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Heyhey. Its on their fdroid repo. Not fdroid
17:32:12 <ct[m]> * It's on (their) fdroid now
17:32:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I only male the clarification because everybody seems to think there is no difference. 
17:32:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can put whatever you want on your personal fdroid repo. The apk doesnt have to match code.
17:32:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fdroid official repo builds the apps from source. 
17:34:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, I dont use monerujo repo..
17:34:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont need to ping their server everytime I refresh fdroid or download an app.
17:34:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill use GitHub 
17:35:36 <spacekitty420[m4> :tinfoil: af o.o
17:36:35 <spacekitty420[m4> (but i guess not tinfoil enough to completely distrust potential hardware backdoor from manufacturer)
17:36:44 <al800[m]1> I also build from source as much as possible
17:37:02 <ct[m]> Thanks for the concern, but I have a different threat model
17:37:22 <al800[m]1> monerujo repo should be fine except if monejuro have some nefarious idea for there build.
17:38:00 <al800[m]1> CT use a ledger, even if the app was made to steal you're neros, the ledger protect again that (as long as you look at what ledger say when you confirm)
17:38:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not about a threat model. There's no difference between GitHub apk and fdroid apk
17:38:32 <selsta> assuming there is no bug in the ledger app :D
17:38:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Essentially your just using fdroid to download apps instead of Google play, which is fine, but you cant really care about open source if you use custom repos 
17:38:55 <al800[m]1> selsta: Yeah, indeed.
17:38:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Edit: cant be sure about open source 
17:39:25 <selsta> https://deadcode.me/blog/2020/04/25/Ledger-Monero-app-spend-key-extraction.html
17:39:33 <selsta> but this is fixed now
17:40:12 <al800[m]1> Even if using source from github, there are many case of supply chain attack in the past (mostly with npm and python things).
17:40:12 <al800[m]1> You have to read the code of all new release including the code of all dependencies
17:40:58 <spacekitty420[m4> oh, reminds me the patent attack scenario as well
17:41:42 <spacekitty420[m4> potentially putting a patent on a dependency used by monero and start regulating the shit out of it or somethin, there was some discussions about it a long while ago, fun stuff
17:42:27 <spacekitty420[m4> but thats why there was a lot of considerations choosing which dependencies for monero or something like that
17:42:35 <spacekitty420[m4> to prevent that type of thing ideally
17:44:25 <al800[m]1> spacekitty420[m4: At least there are many loophole into patent attack. Just host the thing in country that encourage violating western patent, like Russia. Problem fixed.
17:44:25 <al800[m]1> Not like for example, a dependency that get updated (node-ipc) that erase all of you're data if you're IP is russian
17:45:54 <spacekitty420[m4> yeah i think mental outlaw on youtube covered that one, that's some retarded ass missdirected activism right there cause some bs brainwashing 😹
17:46:41 <spacekitty420[m4> there was the list of all those repositories that were affected cause some fucking nerd wanted to do some activism wannabe on a subject he doesnt even know shit about
17:47:56 <al800[m]1> Patent attack and supply chain attack are very different still.
17:48:33 <ypavtv97lx[m]> <selsta> "https://deadcode.me/blog/2020/04..." <- exactly the reason why i don't use any specifically crypto created hardware, it's better to be a fish in the ocean than shark in a pool. cold-wallets on regular machines ftw.
17:50:16 <spacekitty420[m4> all the same but bitcoiners (including aantonop) been pushing the narrative that paper wallets are completely outdated now and should under no circumstance be used......
17:51:03 <spacekitty420[m4> which fuck taht cause monero is different, can have multiple subaddress with a single seed
17:51:05 <ypavtv97lx[m]> money talks, probably paid by hardware producers
17:51:48 <spacekitty420[m4> nah he had some good points but its just that bitcoin is different, paper wallets are imo the best option for monero
18:00:00 <al800[m]1> Depend of you're use case.
18:00:00 <al800[m]1> paper wallet are really not practical if you are like me and use Monero as you're checking bank account.
18:00:00 <al800[m]1> But they are good for long term "saving account"
18:03:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont have a hardware wallet for my checking account.. I keep enough funds in there to spend
18:03:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id more likely use hardware for saving and paper for retirement 
18:03:15 <spacekitty420[m4> for few years now am just doing single use addresses so always changing the seeds on the new addresses, found it pretty easy to manage that way
18:03:15 <spacekitty420[m4> some rather use subaddresses instead, erybody having different type of use but overall having a seed that can be recovered from anywhere in the world is so convenient
18:07:53 <r4v3r23[m]> <selsta> "plowsof: yes it does bump the..." <- thanks. is it an option in the cli wallet? i just see priority 1-4
18:08:32 <selsta> I think the cli wallet warns you about a backlog
18:09:53 <r4v3r23[m]> so the automatic setting in GUI reads the mempool and sets the fee to the right amount to get you in next block?
18:12:00 <selsta> yes
18:13:49 <r4v3r23[m]> gotchya. is there a reason its only in the GUI?
18:27:33 <selsta> r4v3r23[m]: did you try out how the CLI behaves?
18:31:31 <selsta> it will show There is currently a %u block backlog at that fee level. Is this okay?
18:31:39 <selsta> and then you can increase the fee
18:35:54 <spacekitty420[m4> 38 blocks left before v16
19:03:15 <r4v3r23[m]> <selsta> "r4v3r23: did you try out how the..." <- i havent, its more about having the option to set it as default in mobile wallets that use wallet2 
19:09:52 <selsta> mobile wallets use the same wallet2_api the gui uses
19:10:00 <selsta> so they can do that already
19:11:43 <r4v3r23[m]> ok great :) thanks for the answer
19:14:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think monerujo does it ( no user selectable fee) 
19:16:19 <r4v3r23[m]> m2049r says its default which i assumed was normal/low fee
19:28:24 <plowsof> how long ago did sidekick get fully funded
19:29:07 <plowsof> trezor users seething right now unable to transact
19:35:28 <m2049r[m]1> Yeah, it's set to normal
19:38:29 <spacekitty420[m4> v16 just hit 🎉
20:07:07 <r4v3r23[m]> monerobull: so we do have to create new outputs to use view tags yeah? i asked a while back and mooo said we dont need to do anything
20:07:25 <monerobull[m]> well
20:07:31 <monerobull[m]> if you send a transaction now it will have a viewtag
20:07:57 <monerobull[m]> old transactions obviously dont have viewtags
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20:08:42 <r4v3r23[m]> right, that was my thinking
20:08:55 <r4v3r23[m]> had a confusing discussion with him where he said there was no point
20:09:15 <monerobull[m]> there is no point if you dont plan on syncing your wallet on a different device 
20:09:31 <monerobull[m]> but if you do, there is very much a point
20:09:39 <r4v3r23[m]> right
20:10:07 <monerobull[m]> i would argue there is a point to do it for hardware wallets
20:10:52 <monerobull[m]> its not much of a hassle and can really speed up the process should you ever have to restore from seed
20:11:45 <kinghat[m]> does it matter if people send all of their balance to themselves via subaddy?
20:12:15 <monerobull[m]> i dont think so
20:13:35 <kinghat[m]> there was some case, other than mining p2pool, where you wouldnt/cant use a subaddy and i forgets.
20:15:17 <monerobull[m]> im not sure either but v16 transactions have viewtags no matter if subaddy or main _P
20:15:21 <monerobull[m]> s/_P/:P/