00:59:04 <liliana914[m]> Does anyone know why it’s taking so long for Daemon on Monero wallet to synchronize?  We are talking hours.  I’m new to this so don’t know if that’s normal
01:00:37 <selsta> it downloads and verifies 8 years worth of transaction history
01:01:18 <selsta> you only have to do sync once and afterwards you always only have to sync the new blocks
01:01:30 <selsta> you can also use a remote node if it takes too long for you
01:04:08 <liliana914[m]> well, this is not the first time I’m syncing this and it’s taken hours for the second time
01:04:18 <liliana914[m]> so, not sure if I’m doing something wrong
01:04:43 <selsta> which version are you using?
01:05:46 <liliana914[m]> 18 - latest version
01:06:03 <selsta> v0.18.0.0 or v0.18.1.0?
01:06:38 <liliana914[m]> 18.1.0
01:06:39 <selsta> also do you have a HDD or SSD?
01:06:53 <selsta> in general the idea for the daemon is that it is constantly running so that it keeps up with the network
01:07:02 <liliana914[m]> what’s that?
01:07:05 <selsta> if you only start it once per month then it would be better to use a remote node
01:07:47 <liliana914[m]> HDD, SSD?
01:08:09 <selsta> what kind of storage you have, but does not matter if you don't know
01:08:23 <liliana914[m]> I read remote is not as secure and that’s why I hesitated 
01:08:37 <selsta> how often do you start monerod?
01:08:42 <liliana914[m]> so many scammers
01:08:50 <liliana914[m]> incredible
01:09:21 <liliana914[m]> i just started using it so been check it out for past 4 days
01:09:42 <selsta> so last time you started it was 4 days ago?
01:10:04 <selsta> what is the output if you go to Settings -> Log and then enter "status"
01:10:12 <liliana914[m]> no it was yesterday
01:10:43 <liliana914[m]> I’ve been Che king it out for past 4 days 
01:12:43 <liliana914[m]> Ah, hmmmm, it says. Height 1351284/2692630 (50.2%)…… etc
01:13:07 <liliana914[m]> and it also says it’s not mining whatever that means 
01:13:13 <selsta> that's ok
01:13:35 <selsta> you can either wait or use a remote node
01:14:02 <liliana914[m]> net hash 117.95 MH/s, v5, 12 (out)
01:14:16 <selsta> on good hardware it is possible to sync up in 8h, but on windows with a hdd it takes significantly longer
01:14:41 <liliana914[m]> It’s in a MacBook pro
01:14:52 <selsta> which year?
01:14:55 <selsta> approx
01:15:16 <liliana914[m]> on a MacBook Pro 2021
01:15:32 <selsta> M1?
01:15:45 <liliana914[m]> yes
01:15:57 <selsta> ok good to know
01:16:05 <selsta> do you have the blockchain in the default location or did you change it?
01:16:08 <liliana914[m]> if I put on remote, it’s starts from scratch
01:16:18 <liliana914[m]> i don’t know
01:16:38 <liliana914[m]> if it’s default or changed.  Can’t remember 
01:16:45 <liliana914[m]> how do I check 
01:16:51 <selsta> Settings -> Node
01:16:59 <selsta> what does it say as blockchain location? (default)?
01:18:08 <liliana914[m]> it doesn’t say whether it’s default it just says /private/var/folder, etc
01:18:26 <selsta> hmm that is weird
01:18:52 <liliana914[m]> next to blockchain location it says (change)
01:19:34 <liliana914[m]> In orange color
01:19:37 <selsta> did you set this to this weird folder?
01:19:58 <liliana914[m]> no, don’t think so
01:20:02 <selsta> ok let's try this: download the macOS ARM version here: https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#cli
01:20:13 <liliana914[m]> maybe accident
01:20:17 <selsta> then close the GUI and the daemon
01:20:38 <selsta> then extract the macOS ARM .zip and double click "monerod"
01:20:53 <selsta> it will complain that it is from an unknown developer, I assume you know how to skip that
01:21:04 <selsta> and then check if it continues from 51%
01:21:26 <selsta> the GUI is currently not M1 optimized, only the command line tools are
01:22:30 <selsta> you don't have to do that, but the M1 optimized version will be faster at sync
01:24:16 <liliana914[m]> Oh boy, not sure about this.  I typed in website you gave me but it sent me straight to Monero and on address bar it says getmonero.org
01:24:27 <selsta> that's the monero website
01:24:30 <selsta> getmonero.org
01:24:58 <selsta> but if it is too complicated for you you can also wait for it to sync
01:26:12 <liliana914[m]> Yeah, think I’ll wait.  I just don’t want to wait this long every time.  Thank you for your help🙏🏽
01:26:56 <selsta> it concerns me a bit that it says /private/var/folder
01:27:05 <selsta> that's usually the temp directory
01:27:14 <selsta> which gets deleted on every restart...
01:27:40 <selsta> and you said you synced it once already? and it was gone?
01:27:45 <liliana914[m]> How do I change it?  If I press change?  I think it will stop the synchronize 
01:27:55 <liliana914[m]> yep
01:28:21 <selsta> You can press "Stop daemon" as a first step
01:28:42 <liliana914[m]> ok, then?
01:28:47 <selsta> then go to that folder inside finder, you might have to enable hidden folder
01:29:10 <selsta> Finder -> Go -> Go to folder
01:29:17 <selsta> enter /private/var/folder
01:29:27 <selsta> and check if you find a bitmonero folder
01:29:50 <liliana914[m]> Oh ok
01:29:52 <selsta> if you don't see it you have to enable hidden files inside finder https://nordlocker.com/blog/how-to-show-hidden-files-mac/
01:30:46 <selsta> Press the “Command” + “Shift” + “.” (period) keys at the same time.
01:31:19 <liliana914[m]> It’s not coming up
01:31:54 <selsta> it should be names bitmonero or .bitmonero
01:31:58 <selsta> named
01:34:07 <selsta> I have never seen that happen for any Mac users so I'm confused why it says /var/private/folder as your location
01:34:07 <liliana914[m]> ok, I’m gonna have to do this later.  I’m getting impatient.  Geez.  Thank you so much for your patience with me.  I’ll try later 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
01:34:27 <selsta> usually it is really easy and nothing can go wrong lol
01:34:29 <liliana914[m]> I must have done something accidnet
01:34:47 <liliana914[m]>  Accidentally 
01:35:12 <selsta> but the M1 MacBook Pro should sync up quite quickly usually
01:36:19 <liliana914[m]> ok, I just accident
01:36:37 <selsta> it is such a weird specific folder that would be difficult to set by accident
01:36:49 <liliana914[m]>  Created a new folder  with my name and documents 
01:39:08 <liliana914[m]> Well, it just created another folder with this “/Users/liliana/Documents/Documents - Liliana’s MacBook pro
01:39:46 <selsta> why not just name it monero-blockchain or something?
01:39:50 <liliana914[m]> Maybe if I reset it?
01:40:01 <liliana914[m]> it named it by itself 
01:40:19 <selsta> hmmm
01:40:29 <liliana914[m]> when I pressed the Change icon and asked to confirm new folder 
01:40:36 <selsta> ok
01:40:45 <liliana914[m]> should I just reset?
01:40:45 <selsta> well the name should not matter
01:41:20 <liliana914[m]> the reset icon is all the way to the right
01:42:05 <selsta> I was able to create a monero-blockchain folder inside documents and then select that
01:42:19 <selsta> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bJwJXegP/Screenshot%202022-08-19%20at%2003.42.13.png
01:42:57 <selsta> You can also just click on Reset and let it download to the default location
01:44:39 <liliana914[m]> Now it’s says default.  After pressing reset
01:44:51 <selsta> default location is the easiest
01:45:12 <liliana914[m]> ok, we’ll it’s still moving super slow
01:46:19 <selsta> just changing the blockchain location does not move the existing chain
01:46:33 <selsta> that's why I wanted to to find the existing one in /var/private/folder so that you can move it
01:46:50 <selsta> and what does "super slow" mean? how many hours did you wait?
01:47:53 <liliana914[m]> Since this morning California time
01:47:58 <liliana914[m]> ridiculous
01:48:24 <selsta> like I said you don't have the M1 optimized version
01:48:49 <liliana914[m]> What can I do about that?
01:49:26 <selsta> I explained it previously, you download the macOS ARM version of the CLI wallet here: https://www.getmonero.org/downloads
01:49:42 <selsta> and then simply double click on "monerod" and let it sync
01:49:59 <liliana914[m]> Ok, let me try that
01:50:01 <selsta> keep your laptop open until tomorrow and it should be mostly done
01:50:42 <selsta> but you have close Monero GUI and the daemon first
01:51:55 <liliana914[m]> dont see Monerod here
01:52:45 <selsta> did you download monero-mac-armv8-v0.18.1.0.tar.bz2 and extract it?
01:53:17 <selsta> I definitely see it
01:53:43 <liliana914[m]> ok downloaded Monero-Mac-arm8. Etc
01:53:56 <selsta> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nrBVggTF/Screenshot%202022-08-19%20at%2003.53.41.png
01:53:59 <selsta> check the screenshot
01:54:30 <liliana914[m]> ok it’s ok o got that 
01:54:47 <liliana914[m]> now what?
01:56:13 <selsta> you right click on it and then press open
01:56:28 <liliana914[m]> Ok it just told me it cannot be opened because it’s from an unidentified developer 
01:56:37 <selsta> did you do right click and open?
01:57:01 <selsta> that is just macOS being annoying by blocking all programs from dev that don't pay
01:57:55 <liliana914[m]> How to,override this?
01:58:12 <liliana914[m]> right click?  I just have my pad on my mac
01:58:31 <selsta> how do you right click normally?
01:59:08 <liliana914[m]> go to the right of the pad?  I don’t know.  I feel like an idiot 
01:59:09 <selsta> ok, try ctrl + click
01:59:45 <liliana914[m]> oh it did it!
02:00:31 <liliana914[m]> ok so now this new window says process completed on the bottom of a bunch of dates and 
02:00:38 <liliana914[m]> other stuff
02:00:48 <selsta> close that and double click on it normally
02:01:25 <selsta> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UpYf0z9P/Screenshot%202022-08-19%20at%2004.01.18.png
02:01:27 <selsta> it should look like this
02:02:57 <liliana914[m]> shit how do I get back to that window?  
02:03:05 <selsta> Terminal in dock
02:03:25 <liliana914[m]> Where is dock?
02:03:36 <selsta> on the bottom of the screen
02:03:55 <selsta> whre your open programs are
02:05:00 <liliana914[m]> im back at that screen where it has Monerod and when I click on it it goes to that same window where it says process completed 
02:05:35 <liliana914[m]> I don’t see where it says docs
02:05:46 <selsta> Command + Q
02:05:54 <selsta> and then double click on "monerod" in Finder again
02:06:09 <selsta> Command + Q while the process completed window is seleccted
02:06:15 <selsta> selected
02:07:10 <liliana914[m]> ok I did that and it just makes a popping sound.  I got the Monerod highlight and press command + Q
02:07:37 <selsta> Command + Q just means close
02:07:54 <selsta> so you don't see a screen like in my screenshot?
02:08:31 <liliana914[m]> And I did the same thing from that window that said process complete and it took me back to that screen where Monerod is on the bottom 
02:08:42 <liliana914[m]> I do
02:08:55 <selsta> did you make sure that monero-gui and the daemon were closed before doing this?
02:09:59 <liliana914[m]> No I don’t have  that same screen.
02:10:33 <liliana914[m]> no, just closed it now 😔
02:10:42 <selsta> ok you can't run 2 daemons at once
02:10:53 <liliana914[m]> 🥹
02:11:08 <liliana914[m]> Now what?
02:11:25 <selsta> now try double clicking on monerod in finder and see if it stays open
02:12:05 <liliana914[m]> ok, there again😃
02:12:39 <liliana914[m]> Oh now it says it’s synchronization started etc
02:12:44 <selsta> yes
02:12:53 <selsta> now you let this sync over night, make sure that you mac does not go to sleep
02:12:58 <liliana914[m]> its synching it it looks like
02:12:59 <selsta> e.g. keep it powered in
02:13:30 <liliana914[m]> awesome,  thank a million times 💖💖💖
02:13:33 <selsta> it will sync to the default location now so there is no risk in losing the blockchain like previously
02:13:55 <selsta> when you start monero-gui make sure to start monerod first
02:14:04 <liliana914[m]> So, come now on it will synch much quicker in Monero wallet?
02:14:16 <liliana914[m]> from now on?
02:14:26 <liliana914[m]> ….
02:14:31 <liliana914[m]> i mean
02:14:41 <selsta> you have to let it sync now once
02:14:53 <liliana914[m]> it says 6.5 minutes letf
02:15:15 <selsta> seems you already had a blockchain
02:15:23 <liliana914[m]> but you’re saying just leave it over night?
02:15:44 <selsta> it should not take over night
02:15:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> For 7mins
02:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> How far is it synced? 
02:16:28 <selsta> it is probably the blockchain from your previous sync that was "lost"
02:16:40 <liliana914[m]> well, it looks like this is happening to my happy surprise.  Thanks again!
02:17:00 <liliana914[m]> It says 5.8 minutes left
02:17:20 <liliana914[m]> i feel relieved
02:17:38 <liliana914[m]> 💝💝💝
02:18:14 <selsta> make sure to restart your computer sometime in the next days so that the data in /var/private/folder gets deleted
02:18:26 <selsta> but that's not important now
06:42:31 <r4v3r23[m]> https://libredd.it/r/xmrtrader/comments/wr4dyz/frozen_withdraws_price_suppression_a_recap_of_the/
06:45:43 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof: i think its time  to make some noise about binance
08:06:11 <monerobull[m]> just synced 4 month old wallet in under 3 minutes
12:10:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Support xmr has almost replaced minexmr 
12:10:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥲
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12:39:12 <merope> Looks a little more spread out (though not by much)
12:57:51 <hathzed[m]> Was hoping to see a bigger movement to p2pool honestly. 
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14:20:03 <spackle_xmr[m]> I'm guessing we're getting another set of minexmr transactions this morning. Not so many as before, or at least not as fast.
14:25:53 <Rucknium[m]> I see a lot of 1in/2out. More likely it is due to exchange rate volatility.
14:32:19 <monerobull[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/ws94u4/where_are_your_coins_update_your_wallet_do_not/
14:32:23 <monerobull[m]> anything to add?
14:34:11 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: Good idea! Exodus wallet is still not working I believe.
14:34:45 <monerobull[m]> right, added
14:34:52 <monerobull[m]> do we have r/monero mods in here?
14:36:10 <monerobull[m]> sgp: could you approve my post on r/monero and maybe even pin it?
14:36:29 <sgp[m]1> I'm not a mod. Ping dEBRUYNE ^
14:36:48 <sgp[m]1> ohhhh sorry for r/monerosupport
14:36:49 <sgp[m]1> my b
14:37:01 <monerobull[m]> nono
14:37:05 <monerobull[m]> im mod on monerosupport
14:37:20 <monerobull[m]> but this should probably still get pinned to r/monero
14:38:15 <sgp[m]1> yeah
14:38:29 <sgp[m]1> btw we set up a node status page on https://nodes.monero.com - what do you think?
14:38:47 <monerobull[m]> fancy
14:43:08 <monerobull[m]> <monerobull[m]> "do we have r/monero mods in here..." <- gingeropolous: ?
14:50:14 <ct[m]> <sgp[m]1> "btw we set up a node status page..." <- There are some minor UI issues on vertical mobile:
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14:50:58 <sgp[m]1> ct[m]: thanks! already reported :) https://github.com/upptime/upptime/discussions/640
14:51:33 <ct[m]> haha, nice
14:51:40 <ct[m]> otherwise the side looks good
15:00:17 <RavFX[m]> Will there be a way to add more nodes sgp ?
15:00:18 <sgp[m]1> RavFX: yes I can add more nodes if I see them stay around for a while. I'm not going to add every node in existence
15:01:32 <monerobull[m]> ill host a node behind a proxy once i have fiber
15:02:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or...
15:02:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Leave the list sma''
15:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> People should run their own nodes if possible 
15:08:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> I expected to see only cake's nodes there.
15:08:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> I assume cake would have to put a disclaimer stating that the nodes arent in their control and could go rogue.
15:08:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'd argue for them not to recommend third party nodes.. 
15:08:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> For a trusted list of community nodes, this should be done on a repo where a cake isn't responsible/liable for the recommendations 
15:08:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just my opinion 
15:15:00 <sgp[m]1> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I expected to see only cake's nodes there.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/47053b6cf482dc1fa98f6a55c1d5f689d867a966)
15:15:04 <sgp[m]1> cake nodes are at status.cakewallet.com
15:15:37 <gingeropolous> monerobull[m], i can't find the post
15:15:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ya tricked me
15:15:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I thought it was one website 🫣
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15:20:41 <monerobull[m]> removed for question
15:20:56 <monerobull[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wsflba/where_are_your_coins_update_your_wallet_do_not/ gingeropolous 
15:21:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp:  for ui 
15:21:30 <sgp[m]1> ok
15:21:44 <sgp[m]1> I just took the UI from upptime directly with 0 changes
15:22:53 <sgp[m]1> it should be configured that if they make an update, it'll be reflected there also
15:23:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'll see if there is an issue on their repo
15:24:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: "Wallet valtidation"
15:24:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> DO NEVER > NEVER
15:25:04 <monerobull[m]> yeah, people are getting sent links to websites that ask for your seed to somehow make your wallet good again
15:25:35 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ill change it
15:25:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> If its going to ve pinned... should probably fix it
15:26:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exodus, Guarda, MyMonero (web & gui), FreeWallet (Known scam, DO NOT USE), Trezor hardware wallet and potentially more
15:26:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think you can add xmrwallet.com 
15:26:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> getmonero.org GUI wallet, cakewallet, monero.com wallet, featherwallet, monerujo
15:26:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hyperlink these 
15:26:48 <monerobull[m]> i have never heard of that but sure
15:27:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Change to a different node, you can find them at monero.fail
15:27:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero.fail > nodes.monero.com
15:28:58 <monerobull[m]> pl
15:28:58 <monerobull[m]> ok
15:29:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
15:29:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8440
15:29:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> for more recent info on xmewallet.com
15:29:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrwallet.com**
15:31:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hopefully this helps the number of folks who got stuck on 17 because they didnt update or were connected to bad nodes 
15:32:34 <monerobull[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/ws94u4/where_are_your_coins_update_your_wallet_do_not/
15:32:40 <monerobull[m]> fixed?
15:35:09 <monerobull[m]> man xmrwallet looks nice, too bad its a scam
15:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, I THINK trezor is out.. but a rolling / staged releass
15:35:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure if its widely available 
15:36:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Looks good
16:13:26 <kinghat[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_gfutKJmI
16:14:32 <sgp[m]1> kinghat[m]: do they mention monero
16:25:15 <kinghat[m]> <sgp[m]1> "do they mention monero" <- no. still worth a watch.
16:26:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
16:26:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/wsdr0d/xmrwalletcom_stole_1060_monero_from_me/
16:26:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Another xmrwallet.com
16:31:12 <nikg83[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/fb6d7ec5e7f489167181474e56fe97d1bbace7d3)
16:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://xmrchain.net/tx/b3f2ca86fdc786d846d5d3ce29d40ace2876e0c3fc9fd2a5448ae99b2723ab8f/1
16:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol this is their tx
16:54:34 <monerobull[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5c6fa5e57d954563c189b20455791a2042d213a0)
16:55:32 <spacekitty420[m4> isnt that some sort of webwallet or somethin?
16:55:39 <spacekitty420[m4> pissing me off so fucking much
16:55:40 <spacekitty420[m4> like legit
16:55:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
16:56:20 <spacekitty420[m4> eryone being all like "monero too hard to use", "cli is only for tech savvy nerds" or some shits
16:56:29 <spacekitty420[m4> but the cli is just so fucking easy to use
16:56:29 <spacekitty420[m4> and the safest option all together
16:56:30 <monerobull[m]> core has the monero trademark, can they DMCA takedown the site? you arent allowed to use the monero name and scam people
16:56:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> the users should be able to, at least
16:56:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because they are getting robbed
16:56:54 <monerobull[m]> spacekitty420[m4: dont even have to use cli, gui is perfectly fine 
16:57:10 <spacekitty420[m4> eh....
16:57:21 <spacekitty420[m4> if wanna troubleshoot sooner or later will have to open the command line anyway
16:57:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think most of these people are in china
16:57:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably using web wallet over tor 
16:57:54 <monerobull[m]> he talks about FBI, i assume they are US
16:58:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> The website from the screenshots is sus tho
16:58:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ghazo.com
16:58:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Gyazo.com
16:59:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🤷‍♂️ I could be wrong, just trying to understand what in the Fk would convince someone to put 1000 xmr on a random webwallet
17:00:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Other than wanting traces of having installed apps
17:00:53 <spacekitty420[m4> idk dude.... there hasnt been enough propaganda around the whole "not your keys, not your coins" and how to properly educate people how to backup their seed or somethin... idk... but at this point, it's just darwininsm or somethin i guess....
17:00:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like.. getmonero.org doesnt recommend it.. who does? What language is it being recommended in?
17:01:04 <monerobull[m]> i researched for 20 minutes how legit a stupid cardano webwallet was before i put 50$ into it
17:01:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive never seen an English guide or post talking about webwallets
17:01:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> For xmr*
17:01:58 <spacekitty420[m4> yeah and webwallets are known to not be safe at all, its just common knowledge nowadays, fucking pissing me off
17:02:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats why I say China or something...
17:02:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> They must not get the same info that is widely available 
17:02:46 <spacekitty420[m4> its like "NO GRANDMA, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE NIGERIAN PRINCE SCAM STOP FORWARDING ME THOSE EMAILS FOR FUCK SAKE" but they dont give no fuck, webwallet all day long u know....
17:02:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are a lot of options, nobody recommends freewallet or xmrwallet
17:03:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im going to ask this user
17:03:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where they heard about freewallet 
17:03:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrwallet*
17:03:50 <spacekitty420[m4> oh, for the freewallet that's more fucked up, google store pushing it in the front page or some shit
17:04:06 <spacekitty420[m4> even removed cake because the logo was too similar to freewalet
17:04:10 <spacekitty420[m4> fucking pieces of shit LMAO
17:05:20 <monerobull[m]> freewallet has a ton of different versions too
17:05:31 <monerobull[m]> do they only do their selective scams on the monero one?
17:05:41 <monerobull[m]> i mean, kinda, tiny bit bullish /s
17:06:03 <spacekitty420[m4> i dont think so, iirc even elon fucking musk tweeted about freewallet doing selective scam, and he aint on monero so guessing its other coins too
17:06:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrwallet too
17:06:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you search Google for xmrwallet its the second result for me
17:07:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Search for "xmr wallet"
17:07:31 <spacekitty420[m4> yikes....
17:07:32 <spacekitty420[m4> fuck google
17:07:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> And is recommended above monerujon
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17:09:28 <spacekitty420[m4> and pissing me off that users dont just intuitively just go to the official github to get the official core wallet, even when i didnt know shit about cryptocoins, always was installing the core wallets of whatever shitcoins was out there.....
17:09:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then again, Google wouldnt let me review monero.com the last time I tried
17:10:30 <spacekitty420[m4> damn....
17:10:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup. Still cant leave a review sgp: 
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17:15:02 <nikg83[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f803b7ff7e2ce6068a8823af6c023504685ae970)
17:15:18 <spacekitty420[m4> anyways, dude storing 1k xmr on a webwallet but doesnt have 30 bucks for an ssd? fuck these people, i just can with that type of shit no more tbh...
17:15:31 <nikg83[m]> spacekitty420[m4: Ppl are stupid 
17:16:19 <spacekitty420[m4> stoopidily lazy and blinded by greed or some shit
18:27:13 <sgp[m]1> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Yup. Still cant leave a review..." <- I have no idea how to edit that, if editing is even possible on my end. Other people have left reviews
18:28:35 <sgp[m]1> are you using an enterprise google account?
18:28:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope.
18:29:08 <sgp[m]1> https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/207384/cannot-rate-apps-on-google-play
18:29:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can review cake and other apps np
18:35:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think its on your end.
18:35:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I do wonder if others are able to leave reviews on android or if Google is ~censoring monero.com (while promoting xmrwallet.com)
20:48:02 <k4lyp5o> hello there
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21:41:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice, steady rebound in tx volume Rucknium: