00:00:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> You need 68 of those to own 1/2090 of the network (one s19 pro or 12 epyc 7763)
00:00:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> At a cost of $20500 for the hardware
00:00:53 <ofrnxmr[m]>  And 9600w
00:01:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, 3x the power cost of an s19pro or 12 epyc 7763 
00:02:14 <assratatouille> i think that power figure is overestimated
00:02:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 142w is the power for one 3900x..
00:03:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> That not including mb, ram or anything else 
00:03:04 <assratatouille> i understand what you're saying
00:03:23 <assratatouille> im telling you thats a high estimate for a 3900x
00:03:32 <assratatouille> especially one undervolted for mining
00:04:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fair enough 
00:04:04 <assratatouille> you can get em down to under 100w pretty easily if you drop the vlovks
00:04:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lets call it 70
00:04:16 <assratatouille> only way for sure is to measure at the cpu power cable 
00:04:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its 4800w for the same percentage of network ownership and 20k to buy the CPUs used 
00:04:37 <assratatouille> but this is an estimate so 125w would hbe a good conservative estimate imo
00:04:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> To but an s19pro new, you'll own 1/2090th of the network for under 20l and under 4kw
00:05:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 20k*
00:05:46 <assratatouille> would be interesting to do some further studying on this
00:06:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Takes 25000 epyc or 1.7m ryzen 3900x to cover the global hr of monero
00:07:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> All of these numbers are estimates / napkin math
00:07:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> But it seems they arent far off.. but again, maybe im wayvoff LOL
00:07:23 <assratatouille> also something to think about is an attacker trying to acquire that many asics to control half the netwprk would raise the price of them considerably while heing stuck with a paper weight
00:09:10 <assratatouille> while an attacker on monero could rent the commodity hardware and walk away with no hardware to have to get eod of
00:09:25 <assratatouille> or buy the hardware and resell it afterwards
00:15:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 510m to buy 1.7m used ryzens @ $300 + >4800w
00:15:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 75m to buy 25000 used epyc 7763s @ $3000 + >2700w
00:15:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 14m to buy 2090 used s19pros @ $7000 + 3250w
00:15:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 41m to buy 2090 s19pros @ 20k + 3250w
00:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also.. monero has, what appears to be ~ 10x more nodes per dollar (market cap) than btc.
00:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. 
00:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> BTC has 10x more nodes, but > 100x the market cap
00:27:48 <assratatouille> i think i still agree with ur take generally, just mentioning some things to think about
00:28:30 <assratatouille> maybe some things someone who disagrees might mention
00:28:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not argueting :P just skeptical that my math is way off.
00:28:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because, if its anywhere near on correct, it... means monero really is the king
01:29:47 <RavFX[m]> Monero is the only one
04:01:55 <merope> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Takes 25000 epyc or 1.7m ryzen 3..." <- *cough* 160k ryzen 3900X, not 1.7M *cough*
04:02:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hm. Where did I go wrong with my math
04:03:14 <merope> Just fatfingered an extra 0 somewhere
04:03:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably lolol
04:03:33 <merope> 2.5 GH/s / 15 kH/s
04:04:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea, extra 0 somewhere 
04:05:42 <merope> But no idea where you got the 2090 S19pro
04:06:45 <merope> Oh, got it
04:06:56 <merope> 110 TH/s is not 0.11 EH/s
04:07:13 <merope> There's 3 more 0s in there
04:07:15 <merope> Tera, Peta, Esa
04:08:09 <merope> It takes 1.85M S19pro asics to match the btc hashrate
04:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> There we go
04:08:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was super confused 
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08:00:34 <jozsef[m]> RE: I2P incoming P2P: I see... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/7ba6e69bf532cc1e54adb7f1c981dfa4b3eeff99)
13:17:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats my understanding 
13:17:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Onions dont appear in status either 
13:53:09 <jozsef[m]> Ah, okay. Thanks good to know. And now, after 7+ hours of uptime, I'm getting quite a few in and out p2p connections from via i2pd. I think it works! 😆
13:55:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're using I2PD?
13:55:10 <jozsef[m]> Yep!
13:55:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not, and read selsta isnt either 
13:55:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mind sharing your I2Pd config ? Or how to use it
13:59:08 <jozsef[m]> Sure, not problem. I simply install i2pd via apt-get, so it is automatically running as a systemd service.  My monerod config is:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/97abda3fd5d5c592b3448e3eb249fa29b465d5dd)
14:00:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where do you obtain your I2p address from I2PD?
14:00:21 <jozsef[m]> I have not tested t he rpc i2pd connection yet, but the tunnel comes up fine in i2pd so I think it should work connecting a wallet.
14:00:49 <jozsef[m]> That gets generated by i2pd at restart. You go to its dashboard at 127.0.0.1:7070.
14:01:31 <jozsef[m]> Otherwise the i2pd.conf is all default.
14:02:46 <jozsef[m]> I don't think it is strictly necessary, but it is advisable to open the assigned i2pd port on your firewall.
14:11:43 <jozsef[m]> Does the official wallet gui support the `--proxy` arg or that's only supported by the cli at this point?
14:11:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tyty
14:18:12 <jozsef[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/7885#issuecomment-1221554944
14:20:50 <plowsof> I2pzero makes i2p + the gui simple (the gui has a socks proxy port yes)
14:25:59 <jozsef[m]> So how do I connect my wallet to i2p? Just by `monero-wallet-gui --socks5-proxy http://127.0.0.1:4447`? And after this transactions will be sent via i2p?
14:26:31 <plowsof> https://github.com/plowsof/userguide-drafts/blob/main/i2p/monero-gui-i2p-node.md
14:26:57 <plowsof> This is for Monerod though hm
14:28:09 <plowsof> Your monero dsemon will transmit using i2p following that guide , but you want to do something else?
14:28:23 <jozsef[m]> Yeah, that's a slightly different setup, though I think it probably achieves the same.
14:29:34 <jozsef[m]> I have an already running monerod and ip2d and now I would like to start up the gui and connect to i2pd with it. I think this step in your guide is internal since you start the daemon from the gui.
14:31:39 <jozsef[m]> The cli has this:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/903b76d6a4def966145a082fa82b4b8e6a25611f)
14:36:01 <plowsof> I assume yes (just that the gui uses it for extra things) 
14:36:53 <plowsof> But i will upgrade this ticket for you sir -> selsta xD pls confirm 
14:38:19 <plowsof> I guess #monero-gui:monero.social would be better for follow up questions
14:56:49 <jozsef[m]> Just confirming that the above i2pd tunnel [MONEROD-RPC] also works using the cli with `--proxy 127.0.0.1:4447 --daemon-address <long-i2p-addres-generated-for-the-rpc-tunnel.b32.i2p>:18089`.
15:25:39 <kinghat[m]> are you using `i2pd` from apt repo or just using apt to install the binary from github?
15:48:32 <jozsef[m]> From the debian stable/bullseye repo.
15:50:20 <kinghat[m]> probably pretty out of date.
15:50:40 <kinghat[m]> id upgrade it to most recent from the repo
15:50:50 <kinghat[m]> from github*
15:58:44 <jozsef[m]> Yeah, the one from the repo is probably older than the latest. At first I experimented with i2pd building it from source, but I am lazy to create and maintain its systemd service for myself and I'm not planning to contribute to i2pd so I just use the one from the repo.
16:02:59 <kinghat[m]> the problem is security holes. its like running an old browser with published bugs.
16:13:40 <jozsef[m]> Sure, then you can grab the latest from github, they are good at generating packages for various distros.
17:30:33 <selsta> jozsef[m]: i2pd with the gui?
17:30:56 <selsta> you can set a socks proxy in Settings -> Interface
18:38:12 <edoelk[m]> Hey. Monero GUI client is crashing with no error message in macOS ventura. Where can I get help/pointers about that?
18:58:07 <Rucknium[m]> edoelk: As far as I know, Ventura is not yet supported. This may help. Or you could add a comment here to describe the problem: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8453
18:59:24 <selsta> edoelk[m]: see the link that Rucknium[m] posted. Using monero-wallet-cli with --max-concurrency might work, at least it didn't crash on me yet.
19:03:35 <selsta> It is possible that this is a monero wallet bug that somehow only gets triggered on one OS version, but I want to wait until later betas before someone spends time debugging it. Ventura isn't out until October.
19:07:18 <jozsef[m]> Thanks selsta. Using the sock5 proxy in the gui, I get `Some problems at connect, message: Socks request rejected or failed`.
19:07:42 <jozsef[m]> The IP and port are correct because the same works in the cli.
19:07:54 <selsta> What options do you start the CLI with?
19:07:59 <jozsef[m]> But in the cli I also specify the i2p.
19:08:01 <jozsef[m]> Let me check.
19:08:18 <jozsef[m]> --proxy 127.0.0.1:4447 --daemon-address bhptjyuaknwxl3gzcseu6g32w4cginopxmuapdnb2fsdutrstcsq.b32.i2p:18089
19:08:20 <selsta> You have to set the socks proxy and then add the i2p address as remote node
19:08:30 <jozsef[m]> Okay.
19:08:46 <selsta> afterwards it should work
19:09:06 <selsta> I wonder if I can reuse my i2p keys from i2p-zero to i2pd
19:10:23 <jozsef[m]> Excellent! it works! Thanks for the help.
19:10:36 <jozsef[m]> Not sure about the keys.
19:11:03 <jozsef[m]> If they use the same algorithm for authentication, maybe.
19:11:23 <jozsef[m]> But I i2pd is a different implementation.
19:12:44 <selsta> since my i2p address is used as a seed node I would ideally want to reuse it
19:16:13 <selsta> jozsef[m]: did you compile i2pd or use prebuilt binary?
19:17:49 <jozsef[m]> First I used/play with a compiled one, their latest master from github, now I just use the one from apt-get from debian/bullseye, but will probably install their latest release from github.
19:18:05 <jozsef[m]> Re keys this might help migrating: https://i2pd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/user-guide/family/#export-to-java-i2p-from-i2pd
19:19:18 <selsta> ty
19:51:06 <jozsef[m]> Is there a wallet on android that works with i2p?
19:52:31 <jozsef[m]> Or, I guess the answer is: any with android i2pd + a tunnel.
20:36:03 <edoelk[m]> @rucknium, @selsta Thank you.
21:00:28 <kinghat[m]> new i2pd release btw: https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/tag/2.43.0
21:19:51 <jozsef[m]> <jozsef[m]> "Or, I guess the answer is: any..." <- I spent some time trying to set this up but with monerujo but I guess a wallet needs to support connecting via a proxy and being able to specify a daemon using an i2p address (which I could successfully create by a client tunnel on the android i2pd app) . Other than the official cli wallet (running in termux), I cannot find any wallet that would support this on android.
21:21:57 <selsta> jozsef[m]: monero-gui runs on android
21:22:45 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui#building-android-apk-with-docker-any-os-experimental
21:24:41 <selsta> CI has binaries for android v0.18.1.0 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/actions/runs/2836035293
21:25:01 <jozsef[m]> Nice, I didn't know, I will try it. ;-) Thx.
21:25:23 <selsta> only remote node works, but that should be fine for your use case
21:28:34 <jozsef[m]> Is there a way to download the build artifacts from github actions?
21:29:51 <jozsef[m]> Nvm. There is. I will RTFM.
21:30:19 <selsta> docker-android
22:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> jozsef: 
22:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try invizible pro
22:36:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> From fdroid, for I2p vpn app
22:36:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then enter I2p address 
22:37:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you want to shoot me an I2p rpc address, I can see if it works
22:47:44 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: bhptjyuaknwxl3gzcseu6g32w4cginopxmuapdnb2fsdutrstcsq.b32.i2p:18089
22:47:53 <selsta> but I don't know if he has login / pass
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23:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesn't appear to actually download blocks
23:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not getting any transit tunnels either. Not sure why
23:20:55 <selsta> let's wait for jozsef[m] to see if he gets it working with monero-gui
23:23:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Inviz uses purplei2p 
23:23:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> I2pd doesnt want to instlal from termux, but I can try the I2pd standalone app
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23:26:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta: 
23:26:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working with inviz
23:26:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just very slow
23:28:18 <selsta> might get faster if you let it running a bit
23:28:34 <selsta> from what I have read i2p hidden services should be a bit faster than tor
23:28:39 <selsta> but not sure if this is true
23:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, ill leave I2p running for a bit to let it build some tunnels and try again
23:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Currently about 50kb/s down