03:39:11 <plowsof> How much does koe earn for attending MRL meetings every month? 20 hours for monerokon slides? Would the community benefit more if those 24 hours billed where spent on say, implementing bulletproofs ++ or the too ambitious Wallet PoC?
04:09:39 <plowsof> The skilled labour rates for meetings are justified because he is able to answer questions / bounce ideas off of people (that another person couldn't) (so my complaint here can be disregarded). I am just nit-picking trying to be fair. And would like monerokon funded things to be in a separate ccs 
05:21:59 <ajs_[m]> fyi... i still need to work on editing day 2 monerkon presentations. i will upload vida as they are done to the monero community's youtube channel 
05:22:12 <ajs_[m]> *vids
05:24:09 <ajs_[m]> i'll try to get koe's presentation uploaded in a day or two
06:33:16 <r4v3r23[m]> <selsta> "we have a selfhosted gitlab..." <- is there a reason the core project code isnt mirrored there?
06:45:53 <ypavtv97lx[m]> It's not about doing your own research anymore, it's about faith!
06:45:53 <ypavtv97lx[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/wqhd58/does_anyone_else_feel_like_bitcoin_is_their/
06:49:43 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Bitcoin has became an "American Dream", a dragon that you'll never catch and a time machine discussion starter.
06:51:19 <ypavtv97lx[m]> People don't want to learn about new technologies, it seems it hurts their brain that's been programmed to just eat chewed up data from media.
06:54:58 <merope> <r4v3r23[m]> "is there a reason the core..." <- It should be, though I can't quickly find it either 
06:55:10 <merope> Also: holy shit are there a ton of spam groups and repos in there
07:26:14 <r4v3r23[m]> <merope> "It should be, though I can't..." <- i just see CCS
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07:37:09 <r4v3r23[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Imagepipe_416.jpg" <- i dont see the gitlab repo
07:49:17 <sech1> fluffypony "we use Rewind to backup our GitHub" more important question, do you test deploy this backup regularly? Or maybe there's a live read-only backup version running somewhere?
07:51:00 <r4v3r23[m]> i think the issue is that there is no visible updated backup anywhere thats readily available in case the github repo gets taken down
07:52:45 <sech1> yes. there are 3 kinds of people: 1) who don't do backups 2) who do backups 3) who do backups and test them :P
08:09:04 <inge> I'd argue 1 and 2 are the same
10:06:55 <Siren[m]1> how in the hell did this happen? https://www.getmonero.org/2019/11/19/warning-compromised-binaries.html
10:36:12 <inge> Publicly it has never been stated - but it was caught within 30 minutes of it happening, and precautions taken to avoid it ever happening again.
10:37:08 <inge> Also, validating binaries with the signed hashes is an excellent thing to learn how to do - and would have protected you in this scenario: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html
10:53:20 <selsta> r4v3r23[m]: github to gitlab mirroring is only part of the paid gitlab version
10:53:50 <selsta> everyone can setup their own code mirror
11:00:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23: http://rjk5vwl4wxqozunx6rpaat7rwxkbtlcknkhyq5tuzmy7rc22rbxl4wyd.onion/monero_archive/
11:13:16 <Siren[m]1> <inge> "Also, validating binaries with..." <- I already know that and I wasn't a victim, that post caught my eye while scrolling the blog. Was only wondering how were the compromised binaries put out there.
18:32:14 <nioc> plowsof: monerokon slides were billed for?
18:33:22 <nioc> previous to his CCSs much work was done without compensation
18:33:42 <selsta> koe is underbilled for his work
18:34:33 <nioc> selsta: are you sure that you work partime?  :)
18:40:00 <nioc> I like the CCS requests that get no comments but only many upvotes
18:40:14 <nioc> equals obviously yes
18:44:47 <selsta> nioc: it balances itself out when others do more important dev work lol
18:47:05 <nioc> rbrunner: I synced one of my nodes that was off for 2.4 months 53,240 blocks  
18:47:16 <nioc> by the time the daemon synced it had synced 53,316 blocks  
18:47:30 <nioc> at the end of syncing I got a message that I had synced 22,972 blocks at 2.146 blocks/sec  
18:47:43 <nioc> not sure of the exact time taken but the sync speed closely corresponds to the 22k block amount
18:49:06 <rbrunner> Hmmm, not sure. Looks to me like one of those cases where synching kind of restarts internally, and my code begins again to count from zero
18:49:30 <rbrunner> The point in code where it's clear that *now* sync starts is a bit fuzzy, syncing is so dynamic
18:50:28 <rbrunner> That's also the reason why sometimes that message fails to print at the end of syncing: It got confused and doesn't know anymore when it began, so to say
18:51:10 <rbrunner> Maybe that could be improved but case is that it's almost impossible to debug: It's a question of timing, and as soon as you break to check things in the debugger you modify the situation
18:52:02 <rbrunner> That will be better after we wrote the sorry thing again in Rust from scratch :)
18:54:15 <nioc> rbrunner: np, I'll just note the time and clock number to get something accurate if I want
18:54:53 <nioc> at least it synced after dropping the comp on the floor  :D
18:55:18 <rbrunner> Did you threaten it into syncing?
18:55:54 <nioc> no I try to be very nice
18:56:09 <nioc> clock = block
18:57:19 <nioc> so ~5 blocks/sec
18:57:38 <rbrunner> Sounds good
18:57:48 <nioc> much of that was with checkpoints 
18:58:39 <selsta> there are so many future optimizations that are still possible
18:59:30 <nioc> also 1/2 the CPU was mining 
18:59:34 <selsta> the assembler code that is currently used for wallet scanning could also be used for daemon sync
19:00:09 <selsta> it wasn't used because there is a risk of a chain split if the two different libraries come to a different result, but using it for historical sync should be fine
19:00:49 <nioc> 6 core 12 threads, sync after checkpoints was mostly 15% cpu going to 20% sometimes and 25% peaks
19:02:13 <nioc> another advantage of SSDs
19:02:19 <nioc> you can drop them
19:03:07 <rbrunner> "It wasn't used ... chain split" ... which probably was far, far on the safe side. I mean, if two libraries agree over a range of 2 million blocks ...
19:08:15 <selsta> if it is used for historical sync and there is a disagreement you could simply fall back to the non assembler version as the truth
19:14:04 <selsta> basically there is no excuse to not implement this and get the performance boost :D
19:17:24 <rbrunner> As the CEO of Monero I would probably order to use it for *all* blocks. Bloody cowards :)
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19:34:45 <jwinterm[m]> vik (Cake): your message saying you are not the official site is completely obscured on mobile 
19:36:44 <vikCake[m]> jwinterm[m]: Works fine on my iPhone.  But anyway, we are redoing the site, color, etc.  hopefully that should fix that banner thing too. 
19:39:55 <sgp[m]1> here's a preview of the updates just for you guys jwinterm http://207.246.73.151/
19:40:10 <RavFX[m]> Banner is present on my droid
19:42:22 <jwinterm> fixed on new site on mobile
19:42:24 <jwinterm> thx
19:43:49 <rbrunner> I think the "de-orangization" goes a long way towards making clear that this is Cake, not official Monero. I like it.
19:44:43 <RavFX[m]> Was thinking the same. Now it's mostly blue :)
19:50:04 <vikCake[m]> <jwinterm> "fixed on new site on mobile" <- You’re replying from a different account?  This is better.  Probably not a good idea to use the magicgrants account for this kind of discussion. 
19:50:20 <jwinterm> I only have one element account
19:50:23 <jwinterm> matrix
19:50:24 <jwinterm> whatever
19:50:32 <jwinterm> and I used it to upload the photo to show that the message was obscured
19:50:53 <jwinterm> afaik you are not affiliated with magic grants at all, are you? so I'm not sure why you are telling me what I should use my matrix account for
19:51:35 <vikCake[m]> jwinterm: I’m definitely not involved with it.  But it’s still a bad look for them 
19:51:45 <jwinterm> thanks for your input
19:51:55 <vikCake[m]> But whatever
20:12:08 <kayabaNerve> rbrunner: What happened to your message on r/Monero about TC?
20:12:15 <kayabaNerve> I got an email ping about it but can't see it :p
20:13:57 <kayabaNerve> But as a larger comment, which is why I'm here and not in rbrunner's PMs, THORChain has been discussing the XHV integration recently. As part of this, there's been some questions on why XHV, and not XMR. It was identified how the XHV team is the one who did the integration, and how the 'XMR devs' didn't. While that's valid, it has be misconstrued as the 'XMR devs' being... unhelpful/uncaring in some ways? So trying to set the record 
20:13:58 <kayabaNerve> straight there :/
20:17:59 <rbrunner> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wvtn33/thorchain_x_monero_why_no_help_from_xmr_devs_for/ilhx0ww/
20:19:58 <kayabanerve[m]> "Wow such empty"
20:20:07 <kayabanerve[m]> Were you shadow banned lol
20:20:08 <selsta> your comment is hidden
20:20:16 <rbrunner> Seems to me a classic case of "barking up the wrong tree"
20:20:32 <rbrunner> Huh? Why so? Did I trigger automod somehow?
20:20:43 <selsta> yes
20:21:03 <rbrunner> That's all one big THORchain conspiracy, I can tell you.
20:21:22 <kayabanerve[m]> CENSORSHIP?! In *our* subreddit?
20:21:48 <kayabanerve[m]> Next you'll say I can't promote my only fans there either and basic moderation filters are what have us the community we love :(
20:21:52 <rbrunner> Truth will find its way.
20:22:20 <rbrunner> "I vaguely remember /u/kayabanerve[+7] writing about them but don't remember anymore when and how and why ..."
20:22:24 <plowsof> first the shadow bans... then they come for your emoji rights... wake up people 
20:22:41 <rbrunner> Lol
20:23:32 <selsta> the amount of bots in r/monero are insane lol
20:23:39 <kayabanerve[m]> I do believe the original comments were a mix of prude over their development and a highlight over why they're disgusting rank #800 and not #25
20:23:52 <kayabanerve[m]> Not anything hostile to monero
20:24:10 <rbrunner> prude -> pride I guess
20:24:15 <kayabanerve[m]> But yes, it's had that interpretation, unfortunately :/
20:24:45 <kayabanerve[m]> Yep, sorry.
20:25:38 <kayabanerve[m]> So I left my own comment with the thorough explanation, and then copied the comment to the TC Discord as well
20:26:04 <selsta> so they never reached out and later complained about the lack of help?
20:26:27 <kayabanerve[m]> So hopefully it clarifies this isn't bad of XMR, nor good of XMR. Why? Because it's not XMR.
20:26:51 <rbrunner> Well, maybe rank 800 is still mercyfull after you had to rewind your blockchain, and recently had to stop trading of your pride and your crown jewels, your stablecoin ...
20:27:01 <kayabanerve[m]> I don't believe they approached monero developers since announcing ready for review
20:27:16 <kayabanerve[m]> They may have originally, and not done it this time due to how it went previously, but I wouldn't know
20:28:23 <rbrunner> (I assume you were talking about Haven, and not THORchain.)
20:28:53 <kayabanerve[m]> I was. TC is 70 or so
20:30:28 <kayabanerve[m]> I also didn't mean to comment on xhv beyond the numbers of it, which is a consideration for Thorchain
20:34:43 <kayabanerve[m]> While I don't personally like xhv,  I don't feel a need to stir up the next batch of community drama that detracts from both sides ability to move forward
20:36:30 <jwinterm> what are both sides? haven and monero? like people calling haven a scam will prevent both haven and monero moving forward? forward = integration on thorchain?
20:36:52 <jwinterm> it's like a total scam that does $20k in volume across all exchanges
20:37:04 <jwinterm> I don't see how calling it what it is prevents monero from moving forward
20:39:04 <kayabanerve[m]> Like Monero spending 30m circle jerking on IRC claiming xhv is a scam. Let me get back to work D:
20:39:47 <kayabanerve[m]> Just for xhv believers to lose interest in monero, setting back our adoption and reducing our privacy, while they do the same circle jerk over how xhv isn't a scam
20:40:02 <jwinterm> sure
20:40:07 <jwinterm> but it's totally a scam :P
20:40:15 <jwinterm> like multi-offender style
20:40:52 <kayabanerve[m]> While I'm not against discussing their flaws, awareness is important... Sir this is a monero channel
20:41:05 <kayabanerve[m]> Do you want some privacy with that circle jerk? Best I can do for you here
20:41:16 <jwinterm> fair, I didn't bring it up, I just honestly didn't know what you meant by "both sides moving forward"
20:41:19 <kayabanerve[m]> Jokes on you it's free and on by default 😎
20:41:21 <jwinterm> I still don't know what you meant by sides
20:41:34 <jwinterm> and of course had to get my two satoshis in
20:41:51 <jwinterm> am I allowed to say "my two satoshis" in monero chat?
20:42:08 <kayabanerve[m]> Sides = xmr and xhv
20:42:08 <kayabanerve[m]> Moving forward = moving forward on whatever, not wasting time on bs
20:42:28 <kayabanerve[m]> But yeah, not like I can stop you lol. I just didn't want to encourage this exact discussion :p
20:42:33 <kayabanerve[m]> Picomoneros ftw
20:42:43 * jwinterm laughs in gwei
20:43:02 <kayabanerve[m]> Not even wei? Look at this fat cat
21:21:09 <dEBRUYNE> <kayabanerve[m]> Were you shadow banned lol <= No, probably just a word triggered AutoMod
21:21:13 <dEBRUYNE> Will have a look later
21:46:38 <agus10[m]> Hello community, hope you are doing well. One question, when I restore my monero gui in another computer it appears as view only, and i get a message that says i need the key image. can anyone guide me on where i can find the key image? thanks in advance
21:51:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> You should be able to copy/paste the wallet file itself 
21:52:09 <selsta> how did you restore it?
21:52:20 <selsta> sounds like you restored it with the view key only
21:52:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aside from that, if you restored using a seed this should happen. 
21:52:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you used keys, you privacy used your private view key
21:53:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably*
21:53:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should not*****
21:53:49 <agus10[m]> oh ok... thanks... i will double check... thank you
21:55:28 <agus10[m]> my wife says she did not  because restored from trezor
21:57:23 <selsta> need to know what she did exactly
21:57:48 <selsta> you need the trezor device to restore it on another computer, you can't just enter the address and private view key
22:02:44 <jwinterm> the same exact trezor device, or just any trezor device that has the same master seed?
22:06:28 <agus10[m]> the same trezor device.  and this image is what i get:
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22:11:25 <selsta> did you export the view keys on the trezor device?
22:11:45 <selsta> or export the key images
22:12:02 <selsta> it asks you during wallet refresh
22:12:51 <selsta> the advanced options menu isn't needed at all
22:20:55 <agus10[m]> i used advanced options to connect to a remote node, so it will be faster
22:21:53 <selsta> i meant advanced options on the transfer menu
22:22:25 <selsta> the one which can he seen in your screenshot
22:22:37 <selsta> did you accept the wallet refresh on the trezor? that is important
22:23:12 <jwinterm> I was just asking in general, I can't imagine you would actually still need the same exact physical device, kinda defeats the whole purpose right?
22:24:59 <selsta> not the exact same physical device
22:36:11 <agus10[m]> what happens is that the computer of my wife is an old one and thinking it could stop working at any moment, we wanted to restore in a different newer computer. We used the trezor app and downloaded from hard device.  then connected to remote node. But the wallet apperas as view only from then
22:37:15 <selsta> did you accept the wallet refresh on the trezor?
23:01:22 <agus10[m]> i believed so, we just followed the steps to recover from a hardware wallet
23:04:05 <selsta> can't you just copy the wallet file from the other laptop?
23:05:19 <selsta> please try the following steps again: Open GUI main menu -> "Create new wallet from hardware" and then "Restore a wallet from device", set the restore date and wait for it to refresh. Make sure to accept everything on the Trezor.
23:09:47 <agus10[m]> ok got it Selsta thanks