00:05:19 <agus10[m]> sorry for asking so much :) I started again, now the wallet seems to have corrected. Now I try to send a little amount to my exchange, since the other wallets are not updated yet to Monero, but i get a message: Error Can't create transaction: Call method failed. please advise team thanks
00:07:13 <selsta> agus10[m]: what trezor firmware do you have?
00:13:51 <agus10[m]> the last one, the 2.5.2
00:14:02 <selsta> which node did you select?
00:15:16 <selsta> wait
00:15:24 <selsta> do you have multiple trezor related programs open?
00:16:00 <agus10[m]> not really, only one trezor and only use xmr
00:16:18 <selsta> i mean do you have the trezor program still open?
00:16:22 <selsta> or the trezor website?
00:18:41 <agus10[m]> yes its open
00:18:49 <agus10[m]> the trezor suite app and the device
00:18:55 <selsta> you can't use both at once
00:19:11 <selsta> they interfere
00:19:20 <agus10[m]> so i log out of the trezor suite?
00:19:27 <selsta> yes, exit the trezor suite
00:19:46 <selsta> if it doesn't work try a full computer restart where you only start monero aterwards, but that should not be necessary
00:20:14 <agus10[m]> ok thanks I will try that now
09:43:34 <phoenixrising36[> <ofrnxmr[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I..." <- Fist api pr?
09:59:18 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Do not use changelly, it's the same people who are behind minergate scam pool: https://minergate.com/blog/presenting-changelly/
11:08:34 <merope> Yeah, they have been widely reported as scammy ever since they started
11:30:34 <vikCake[m]> Is there a room/channel for content on r/monero?
11:30:50 <vikCake[m]> * room/channel for discussing content on
11:31:54 <vikCake[m]>  * Is there a room/channel for discussing content of r/monero?
11:35:20 <gonbatfire[m]> I'd use this one
11:40:01 <CidadoisAncap[m]> <vikCake[m]> "Is there a room/channel for..." <- What are we discussing?👀
11:49:36 <rayatina[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "What are we discussing?👀" <- The chatroom is revolved around xmr and xmr related subjects but it seems we have free (mostly) unrestricted speech
11:49:47 <rayatina[m]> With some things being off limits ofc
11:58:38 <vikCake[m]> <rayatina[m]> "The chatroom is revolved..." <- i assume r/monero is monero related
11:58:50 <vikCake[m]> :)
11:59:15 <rayatina[m]> vikCake[m]: R/monero?
11:59:28 <vikCake[m]> the monero subreddit
11:59:28 <rayatina[m]> I'm talkin abt here
11:59:39 <vikCake[m]> rayatina[m]: yeah the monero subreddit is monero related
11:59:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
12:00:17 <rayatina[m]> This is a general monero chatroom
12:00:31 <rayatina[m]> It's not about r/monero, it's abt the crypto
12:00:42 <rayatina[m]> At least to my knowledge
12:01:06 <vikCake[m]> hilarious
12:01:15 <vikCake[m]> anyway, will post some comments later on about r/monero
12:01:28 <rayatina[m]> Ok
12:04:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> This vik from cake wallet?
12:16:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> <rayatina[m]> "It's not about r/monero, it's..." <- "Donate to my blank website for services that done exist" 
12:17:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> R/monero is, by definition,  a moneri topically
12:22:09 <plowsof> rayatina we're governed by this policy https://libera.chat/policies/ and yes, r/monero is part of this community
12:36:42 <Hutchinson[m]>  Hello, Are you interested in making $1,500 plus additional $500 for diligence and hardwork in two weeks (legit) by sparing just 15/30 minutes of your time every 48hrs without no start up fee ? If yes get back to me for more details
12:36:42 <Hutchinson[m]> https://t.me/+rRk2pLTli4AzYjk0
12:37:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> 3-2-1 POOF
12:38:28 <vikCake[m]> nothing gets by plowsof 😱
12:40:59 <rayatina[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> ""Donate to my blank website..." <- It's to help add services goofy
12:41:19 <vikCake[m]> Off topic stuff like this you mean:   https://matrix.to/#/!psOvWRiQkyosOPKvaO:matrix.org/$6xa6ecFaO32GAoUGcI7nksDotEWD2tvMuccMW3_JdzI?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=halogen.city
12:42:37 <vikCake[m]> anyway, will post a question later today, when I can be around to discuss it.
12:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥲 rayatina
12:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you have any services yet or just a donation page 
12:42:51 <rayatina[m]> vikCake[m]: The conversation got heated, it went from servers to taxes to hating america to heroin, idk how
12:42:59 <rayatina[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> 🥲 rayatina
12:42:59 <rayatina[m]> > 
12:42:59 <rayatina[m]> > Do you have any services yet or just a donation page 
12:42:59 <rayatina[m]> I have a searx instance
12:44:14 <rayatina[m]> And i have an email service but for some weird reason emails from gmail didn't work 
12:44:16 <rayatina[m]> But tutanota and protonmail did
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12:46:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1.5xmr to mirror the monero and monero related repos for 1yr as a HS 
12:46:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/339
12:47:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> http://rjk5vwl4wxqozunx6rpaat7rwxkbtlcknkhyq5tuzmy7rc22rbxl4wyd.onion/monero_archive/
12:47:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hs is active 
12:48:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> rayatina[m]: You host the full service / servers, or just xmr.beauty domain 
12:48:09 <plowsof> rayatina you're not going to turn this room into rayatinas offtopic / they did 9/11 / donate to me room (like you did to monero today) , stop 
12:49:19 <nioc> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/seraphis-library-work.html
12:49:43 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: It's all on a personal vps, and i own the domain
12:53:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btw, regarding ccs... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/20b7ca41fc84bb3fcc662779c832f6430513a6a8)
12:53:57 <jwinterm> I am rayatina[m] angel investor I think lol
12:56:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wish you were mine (valentine)
12:57:13 <jwinterm> I think I only sent like 0.1 or 0.2 xmr 
12:57:18 <jwinterm> how much you looking to raise :P
13:03:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Send all your nerossss https://www.p2pcrowd.fund/ofrnxmr/
13:05:15 <jwinterm> your second sentence of third paragraph is a fragment
13:05:21 <jwinterm> otherwise I would've sent 100 xmr :P
13:05:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey, I typed it on my phone 
13:06:27 <jwinterm> also not a fan of how you can't type exact amount, only slide the slider bar
13:09:03 <jwinterm> sent some wows ofrnxmr[m]
13:09:18 <jwinterm> I just got new ryzen with 64 gb of ram and 4 tb nvme
13:09:23 <jwinterm> it fucking crushes
13:09:36 <plowsof> Other wishlists are available https://rucknium.me/donate/
13:09:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feedback is great, since WAAS is for everyone 
13:10:08 <jwinterm> also I don't think the premade payment link works in wowlet, so not sure xmr in feather would work either?
13:10:14 <plowsof> Even rayatina 
13:10:14 <jwinterm> does that format work in official gui?
13:11:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uri should be supoorted in gui, monerujo and cake 
13:12:26 <jwinterm> cool, I have seen for btc/electrum, and I guess I have seen in qr form and paid with monerujo
13:12:31 <jwinterm> probably
13:13:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerujo actually registers as a handler for monero: addresses
13:13:18 <RavFX[m]> ofrnxmr: You use you're phone to code?!?
13:14:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep
13:15:26 <RavFX[m]> I use to use mine for console back like 10 years ago but I stopped doing that.
13:17:07 <rayatina[m]> <plowsof> "rayatina you're not going to..." <- Alr
13:22:40 <rayatina[m]> <jwinterm> "how much you looking to raise :P" <- Like 1 or 1.3-5 xmr would be enough to run a xmr node and a tor relay, that'll be enough to actually contribute to the community
13:23:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1 or 1.3-1.5 or 5 xmr?
13:25:41 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: 1.3-1.5
13:25:48 <RavFX[m]> I run all my services(Tor, XMR) without asking money.
13:25:48 <RavFX[m]> Maybe I should!
13:25:48 <RavFX[m]> I only ask money for services I sell like vpn or for code
13:26:31 <rayatina[m]> 5 would be way more than enough for my simple idea
13:27:01 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: But i'd be able to buy school materials tho
13:27:55 <rayatina[m]> Is 3tb bandwith enough for an xmr node?
13:28:51 <jwinterm> you can limit bandwidth if you're concerned
13:30:30 <rayatina[m]> jwinterm: It'll mainly be on a vps so bandwith wouldn't be my issue
13:30:32 <rayatina[m]> Just paying for it
13:31:50 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: I found a vps with 1gb ram and 250 gb for like 5 bucks a month
13:31:54 <rayatina[m]> It's hdd tho
13:32:07 <rayatina[m]> And russian
13:33:13 <RavFX[m]> Russian is fine
13:33:13 <RavFX[m]> hdd will be anoying to sync the node. But if you can sync somewhere else and upload it on the server then run the node 24/7 it will be fine
13:33:44 <jwinterm> can confirm it is still possible to run node on spinny hd
13:33:47 <rayatina[m]> It's abt 50 or so dollars a year
13:34:49 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: And include taxes
13:35:14 <rayatina[m]> That's like 58 bucks a year or smth
13:35:21 <rayatina[m]> Idk eu taxes
13:36:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> <rayatina[m]> "I found a vps with 1gb ram and 2..." <- You've never run a node before, ever, have you
13:37:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> HDD and 1gb of ram is a painfully experience sorry a personal node. Forget about charging people to use it
13:38:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is a painful experience for a personal *
13:38:58 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I tried to run one on an old pc
13:39:01 <rayatina[m]> I told you guys abt it
13:39:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> You have an old android?
13:39:14 <rayatina[m]> Nah
13:39:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or a second android
13:39:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tablet etc
13:39:41 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: Took like a week to get the whole  blockchain
13:40:23 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: I decided it was too much work and so long and i don't have that electricity bill money
13:45:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can sync the chain on android in under 2 days
13:45:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Under 12 hours on a modern pc with an ssd 
13:46:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Over a week on HDD, over a week on rasp pi
13:47:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not confidence inspiring to use services run by someone who doesnt know the basics 
13:49:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ie, practice makes perfect.
13:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: care to share your uploaded data?
13:55:32 <plowsof> 6TB/day for supportxmr has been reported. My personal node is uploading 1~MB/s (several TB every few days) selstas is uploading double that 
13:59:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakes node is probably ridiculous 
14:02:42 <plowsof> vik (Cake):  can you gou get your hands on print_net_stats info for your nodes by any chance? Useful info for the GUI community node 
14:03:06 <plowsof> +list*
14:04:03 <RavFX[m]> Sent 9291475906054 bytes (8.45 TB) in 82548254 packets in 12.8 days, average 8.02 MB/s = 25.24% of the limit of 31.77 MB/s
14:04:03 <RavFX[m]> Oh, people actually use my node 😂
14:05:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rav fx, how much are you charging raytina to setup monero-proxy to your node
14:06:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fwiw, my android nodes average ~50kbps and around 10gb/day
14:07:29 <RavFX[m]> I don't have to charge people for that
14:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Case in point)
14:25:46 <nioc> ask not what Monero can do for you
14:25:56 <nioc> ask, what can I do for Monero?
14:33:10 <NorrinRadd> wow that's an old channel topic 
14:43:27 <Rucknium[m]> noot Ask Me Anything about ETH<>XMR Atomic Swaps happening now (+ donation campaign link):
14:43:27 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency_Tech/comments/wwkb4x/im_noot_the_lead_developer_on_the_ethxmr_atomic/
14:44:25 <ct[m]> <rayatina[m]> "1.3-1.5" <- That is my price target for running a full node at home for 3 years including hardware (with 4GB ram & 256GB NVME) and power costs 👀
14:46:09 <RavFX[m]> I run mine on leftover dedicated server space.
14:46:09 <RavFX[m]> If I where not running it, it would just be lost and unused resources.
15:37:28 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO MyMonero should be removed from GetMonero.org until the wallet is working again:
15:37:28 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2029
15:42:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> edge must not be working either (?) 
15:51:43 <Rucknium[m]> I'm not sure. Anyone know?
15:52:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im under the impression that all mymonero based wallets arent working. Im checking GitHub / messaging them to see
15:58:07 <jwinterm> definitely seems like a lot of complaints about them lately
15:59:00 <gonbatfire[m]> > <@rucknium:monero.social> IMHO MyMonero should be removed from GetMonero.org until the wallet is working again:
15:59:00 <gonbatfire[m]> > https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2029
15:59:00 <gonbatfire[m]> Or greyed out
16:01:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> "THe XMR update for edge is still inprogress, however the all other coins on Edge are still working"
16:01:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah, remove them 
16:03:38 <endogenic> lol
16:03:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or put them on a OUTDATED - DO NOT USE list
16:07:43 <KNNY[m]> the regular monero room died so now I'm here 
16:07:46 <KNNY[m]> kek
16:29:29 <Rucknium[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> ""THe XMR update for edge is..." <- Ok please comment on the GitHub issue accordingly.
16:43:58 <rayatina[m]> <ct[m]> "That is my price target for..." <- What country are you in?
16:44:16 <rayatina[m]> In america that's impossible
16:44:28 <ct[m]> I literally have a flag in my user name
16:44:49 <ct[m]> And I make it possible 🙃
16:45:26 <ct[m]> I'm terrible at ETAs but 3-4 month till release of instructions is possible
16:45:43 <rayatina[m]> ct[m]: Cuz ur like in belguim
17:14:13 <jozsef[m]> That's similar to a German flag, same colors, but Germany's is horizontal.
17:14:53 <jozsef[m]> But that does not mean ct is from there, only that he (or she or whatever) likes those colors. ;-)
17:15:29 <jozsef[m]> Oh, not only the direction but even the order of the colors are not like Germany's nevermind.
17:17:01 <rayatina[m]> jozsef[m]: It's belgium
17:20:16 <plowsof> Erc made a PR to remove  edge/mymonero https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2030 
17:41:45 <chesterfield[m]> <plowsof> "Erc made a PR to remove  edge/..." <- Excellent.  I’d recommend removing them permanently until they allow self hosting
17:41:59 <chesterfield[m]> But this is fine
17:42:57 <selsta> you can use mymonero with self hosted lws from what i know
17:46:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> cryptogrampy: 
17:46:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is it working yet?
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18:10:21 <eudaimon36[m]> hey guys, looking for advice on this
18:10:37 <eudaimon36[m]> is this Windows not liking Monero, or is this some virus shit
18:10:50 <selsta> Windows
18:10:56 <eudaimon36[m]> never seen this before while using my wallet or while mining
18:11:00 <selsta> add an exception
18:11:04 <eudaimon36[m]> ok, thanks
18:11:08 <eudaimon36[m]> I did
18:11:28 <eudaimon36[m]> Maybe this is from adding a backup on a new NAS?
18:11:45 <eudaimon36[m]> I didn't create exceptions for that
18:12:00 <selsta> no, it is the anti virus saying that monero-gui contains code to mine which is potentially unwanted
18:12:28 <eudaimon36[m]> hmm, why all of a sudden? Just "cause Windoz!"
18:12:34 <eudaimon36[m]> lol
18:12:39 <eudaimon36[m]> (shame on me, I know)
18:13:54 <eudaimon36[m]> selsta: thanks!
18:28:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because monero is all of a sudden more leet
18:28:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now windows knows you are a monero user 
18:36:28 <jozsef[m]> Yep. There will come a time when similarly, the government will also learn that you are a(n undesirable) monero user, just because, say, your ISP denounces you that you have port 18080 open on your firewall.
18:40:36 <jozsef[m]> Then, since monero will by then be illegal, your food ration will be immediately and automatically (decided on by some AI) decreased and there will be no need for you to go stand in line the next day for your usual weekly ration of half a kilo of flour and sugar.
18:41:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Microsoft just reports your filenames "monerod.exe" to their virus analyticis tracking whatever lolo
18:41:58 <jozsef[m]> Or at least that's what you think. 😝
18:42:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> They get their metrics from somewhere 🫣
18:44:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, ive got no love for windows and no sympathy for windows users issues. 
18:44:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just me
18:46:00 <jozsef[m]> I run a node at my home computer, of course. From my office, and from my phone if I connect to the company wifi, I can not access my computer at home. Not even a web page. Naturally. Since nodes with ports like 18080 open are a security threat.
18:46:34 <rayatina[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Microsoft just reports your..." <- Deletung system32 is a good solution
18:46:37 <jozsef[m]> Now I run everything via i2p so I have no problem. Hehe.
18:46:40 <rayatina[m]> rayatina[m]: *deleting
18:46:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I run my rpc over hidden services 
18:46:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> rayatina[m]: Deleting windows is better 
18:47:29 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: System32 is windows
18:47:30 <rayatina[m]> Windows needs it to operate
18:48:23 <jozsef[m]> That's the point! 😝🤟
18:49:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or... just delete the partition
18:49:53 <rayatina[m]> Install linux
18:55:22 <rayatina[m]> Why have private crypto but no private os
19:09:20 <RavFX[m]> <rayatina[m]> "Why have private crypto but no..." <- You can be private with most OS, you have to do you're own OPSEC.
19:09:20 <RavFX[m]> making a new OS from scratch, not only is time consuming, but you will also need to make drivers for all the shit that exist and also port or make applications. At the end you also endup with same results.
19:09:30 <RavFX[m]> What's leak on you're OS are mostly the application / browsers
19:14:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Privacy on windows is a thing?
19:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wait wait
19:14:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wrong chat
19:15:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero:monero.social 
19:15:07 <rayatina[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> You can be private with most OS, you have to do you're own OPSEC.
19:15:07 <rayatina[m]> > making a new OS from scratch, not only is time consuming, but you will also need to make drivers for all the shit that exist and also port or make applications. At the end you also endup with same results.
19:15:08 <rayatina[m]> Windows literally has microsoft spyware injected in it
19:15:15 <rayatina[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Right chat
19:15:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wrong chat 
19:15:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is -community
19:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not for things not related to the monero ecosystem 
19:16:20 <RavFX[m]> rayatina[m]: You can disable that shit
19:16:20 <RavFX[m]> And I invite you to look at how windows is developed and tested...
19:17:03 <kumpf[m]> Hello community, I would like to meet some people talking about monero. Is there a side where I can find local meetups in Germany?
19:17:03 <kumpf[m]> And I would like to understand what's the plan to get the price of xmr more stable. Circular economy? How to get this with price fluctuations and if states tend to illegalize xmr?
19:17:19 <rayatina[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> You can disable that shit
19:17:20 <rayatina[m]> > And I invite you to look at how windows is developed and tested...
19:17:20 <rayatina[m]> You can't see how it's made bcuz it's closed source
19:17:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> There was someone asking for stickers in German the other day.
19:17:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure how many community members are out there 
19:19:34 <rayatina[m]> > <@al800:0wnz.at> You can disable that shit
19:19:35 <rayatina[m]> > And I invite you to look at how windows is developed and tested...
19:19:35 <rayatina[m]> Even if you could it'd be better to just install linux, but i don't wanna derail the topic
19:19:51 <RavFX[m]> rayatina[m]: By how I did not mean, the code, I did mean, there procedure. AKA : They test dev/updates on there user. They use to have a lab with over 1k PC to test all build in house. That does not exist anymore, the user park is what is used now hence the telemetry stuff.
19:19:51 <RavFX[m]> Anyway, not the place for discuting that
19:20:26 <Rucknium[m]> kumpf: Talk to monerobull 
19:22:00 <RavFX[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> You can't see how it's made bcuz it's closed source
19:22:00 <RavFX[m]>  * By how I did not mean, the code, I did mean, there procedure. AKA : They test dev/updates on there user. They use to have a lab with over 1k PC to test all build in house (to test dev build on as much hardware variation as possible). That does not exist anymore, the user park is what is used now hence the telemetry stuff (more hardware variation sample that way).
19:22:00 <RavFX[m]> Anyway, not the place for discuting that
19:23:43 <monerobull[m]> > <@kumpf:tchncs.de> Hello community, I would like to meet some people talking about monero. Is there a side where I can find local meetups in Germany?
19:23:43 <monerobull[m]> > And I would like to understand what's the plan to get the price of xmr more stable. Circular economy? How to get this with price fluctuations and if states tend to illegalize xmr?
19:23:43 <monerobull[m]> I'm in Cologne till Saturday but other than that i can recommend the German xmr telegram 
19:28:44 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: being that the "main" monero room is actually 2 separate rooms, IRC and matrix, it's not bad that any general discussions happen in -community
19:37:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community isnt for general discussion
19:38:01 <selsta> nioc: i predict in 1-3 years #monero will also be bridged
19:39:10 <nioc> #monero-general  :D
19:39:43 <nioc> selsta: make it happen this year and there will be something extra in your paycheck 
19:40:06 <selsta> i tried multiple times already and gave up lol
19:40:22 <selsta> all requests go into nothing
19:40:23 <nioc> ok, I'll double the payment
19:40:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta, we also need someone to create community-dev on the irc side :P
19:40:54 <selsta> that should be easy since that channel does not have many users
19:41:20 <selsta> compared to #monero it does not need special permission
19:42:03 <nioc> when an IRC room is created first it gets bridged, when a matrix room is created first .......
19:43:00 <nioc> wait, is this general discussion?
19:44:26 <nioc> selsta: how much do we need to pay libera to dwal with #monero?
19:44:33 <nioc> *deal
19:45:08 <selsta> don't think the issue is on libera side
19:45:27 <nioc> hmmm, I thought is was, as in permission
19:46:33 <selsta> i think problem was pigeons asks for permissions -> by the time they give permission pigeons is busy so the whole thing gets nowhere
19:46:45 <nioc> ah
19:46:55 <selsta> also don't know if pigeons is even responsible for this at this point
19:47:31 <selsta> DiegoSalazar[m]: ^^^^ can you help us
19:48:30 <nioc> old buddy, old pal
19:49:36 <nioc> selsta: tell him nioc asked 
19:51:49 <selsta> DiegoSalazar[m]: nioc asked :D
19:54:27 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Hm
19:54:34 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Ok. I'll have pigeons slot out some time for this tomorrow. 
19:54:50 <nioc> it worked  \o/
20:02:58 <DiegoSalazar[m]> dude, I just heard Majestic exit scammed?
20:05:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where
20:14:44 <RavFX[m]> <DiegoSalazar[m]> "dude, I just heard Majestic exit..." <- How, I mean, it's not custodial. Exit scam would have very low output
20:15:28 <selsta> yea I also don't understand what there is to exit scam apart from keeping the funds from a couple exchanges
20:15:43 <DiegoSalazar[m]> It's just a rumor. Not trying to shit talk anyone.
20:15:50 <plowsof> They're listed as a sponsor for Haveno and now getmonero (when the nee merges are deployed)
20:16:05 <plowsof> nee->new
20:16:07 <DiegoSalazar[m]> plowsof: this was why I was skeptical and wanted to see if anything more than scrubs could confirm or deny
20:16:26 <selsta> I didn't hear anything but I also don't follow Telegram
20:16:41 <DiegoSalazar[m]> selsta: you'd exit scam by getting people to send you money, and not sending them back. But yeah, low yield there
20:17:10 <DiegoSalazar[m]> selsta: the rumor is primarily on Dread, the dark net reddit alternative
20:17:53 <plowsof> Im on Telegram, no reports in their room, have messaged their support to confirm xD
20:18:17 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Telegram has several first and second hand accounts of people not receiving funds
20:18:28 <DiegoSalazar[m]> that's all I know
20:18:34 <DiegoSalazar[m]> MajesticBank^
20:18:45 <selsta> are they on Matrix?
20:19:03 <selsta> oh they are on IRC
20:19:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
20:20:44 <rayatina[m]> Telegram seems sus
20:24:44 <selsta> DiegoSalazar[m]: when did these reports first pop up?
20:26:26 <nioc> do they have some custodial service as well?
20:27:53 <plowsof> Cakewallet made a thread today about non verified telegram groups scamming people
20:28:13 <nioc> *telescam
20:28:48 <selsta> no custodial service
20:29:01 <nioc> thx
20:29:55 <plowsof> They did have 0% fees recently for swapping monero to btc/ltc which ch happens when xmr funds sre 
20:30:23 <plowsof> Are low*
20:32:52 <needmoney90> Telegram claims that dread is where the reports are
20:32:58 <needmoney90> I am not on dread
20:33:34 <selsta> are we sure that's not people on the old chain? lol
20:33:35 <plowsof> Maybe tobtoht can confirm?
20:34:08 <needmoney90> To quote from telegram (which is where I first saw the second-hand reports)
20:34:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😭😭 no. No we cant. Rip
20:34:26 <needmoney90> > Looks like an exit scam. Big announcement and warnings on dread. Sub has been deleted and dread accounts deleted and people reporting that they are not receiving their money
20:34:45 <needmoney90> If anyone is on there and can confirm that would be great.
20:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> What telegram chat?
20:36:57 <jwinterm> I was invited into their telescam channel and stayed for like 3 min cause it was gross
20:37:09 <jwinterm> I just pinged them on oftc and let them know about concerns
20:37:13 <jwinterm> but they're not very active there
20:38:12 <SerHack> on d/darknetmarkets someone reported that their sub has been emptied and mod deleted their accounts
20:38:54 <jwinterm> I just DM them on twitter too
20:40:15 <needmoney90> ofrnxmr[m]: This message was in @monero on telegram.
20:41:50 <needmoney90> Obviously I will be very happy if this was a false alarm. 
20:42:01 <tobtoht[m]> <plowsof> "Maybe tobtoht can confirm?" <- Yeah, they tried to clean their sub.
20:42:01 <tobtoht[m]> "There is little explanation for such actions if not to clean house and perform an exit scam. Without any explanation from the admin, Dread staff urges nobody use Majestic Bank."
20:44:28 <midipoet> I am happy that some d/darknetmarket drama brought DiegoSalazar[m] and needmoney90 back into this room at the same time
20:45:33 <jwinterm> let us hope that many more exit scams will force them to grace us with their presence :D
20:46:05 <needmoney90> I noted some concerns on telegram that I couldn't verify, asked diego, then came here to clarify after he asked here.
20:46:20 <midipoet> exit scams: bringing people together since 2015
20:46:41 <SerHack> I'm still waiting for an e-mail by MajesticBank for a code audit :( 
20:52:42 <nioc> I've been waiting long time for 2023
20:59:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> They wanted all the wownero 
21:05:36 <r4v3r23[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/seraphis-library-work.html
21:06:06 <r4v3r23[m]> ready for funding - i did my part
21:11:05 <NorrinRadd> selsta i think you said recently that lack of developer contribution is a big concern of yours regarding Monero.   Why is it i don't see more of a push to create developer docs and training then? 
21:11:36 <NorrinRadd> perhaps i'm just missing it, but it seems to be a gap.  i know 1 guy was working on something about 6 months ago but i don't see his name or his project mentioned too much 
21:13:18 <NorrinRadd> RavFX[m] it's custodial
21:13:30 <r4v3r23[m]> wtf hasnt majestic been donating loads to monero projects and community?
21:13:47 <selsta> r4v3r23[m]: yes does not make much sense
21:13:56 <r4v3r23[m]> how would they even exit scam? they are a swap not full on exchange
21:14:12 <selsta> NorrinRadd: don't think we can "train" people to become monero developers
21:14:45 <selsta> they need some developer experience in the first place, ideally university degree or similar
21:15:27 <vikCake[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Doesn’t make sense 
21:15:35 <r4v3r23[m]> selsta: MB was working on their own wallet last i spoke to them
21:16:10 <vikCake[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Yes they told us that too 
21:16:34 <needmoney90> I am not saying it make sense, I am just relaying the red flags
21:16:50 <needmoney90> I do not know what is going on
21:17:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wouldnt put it past users to be using the old chain 
21:18:07 <r4v3r23[m]> something doesnt add up
21:24:13 <NorrinRadd> I've been calling attention to majesticbank's corrupt exchange quotes on their API for months.  I feel validated 
21:24:37 <r4v3r23[m]> also the CCS balance isnt updating
21:24:46 <r4v3r23[m]> its been over 10 blocks 
21:25:10 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof: whos in charge
21:25:22 <nioc> luigi
21:26:01 <NorrinRadd> r4v3r23[m] it's not an atomic swap. theyr'e the middle man. all they have to do is not pay up 
21:26:02 <nioc> afaik
21:26:05 <r4v3r23[m]> r4v3r23[m]: luigi1112: 
21:26:32 <nioc> maybe it's 1111 or 1111w
21:26:47 <vikCake[m]> NorrinRadd: But that kind of scam would only last a day max right? 
21:27:15 <selsta> yes, they would take the money from a couple exchanges but still doesn't add up
21:27:47 <r4v3r23[m]> NorrinRadd: so it must have been a massive swap for it to even be worthwhile
21:27:48 <r4v3r23[m]> anyway im reserving judgement
21:28:12 <vikCake[m]> Me too… doesn’t make sense
21:28:24 <NorrinRadd> vikCake[m] how long until everyone that is loyal to them finds out?  could be a long time.  but i wouldn't be surprised if this is just people on the old chain either, as they make more money by being honest
21:28:25 <needmoney90> Reserve judgement, but do not use until you have no questions.
21:30:27 <vikCake[m]> NorrinRadd: Agreed
21:30:52 <NorrinRadd> selsta yeah i do mean on-boarding uni grads.  same as other coins are doing, but without having to buy them out.  just good docs, code walk-throughs, classes even.  a la chaincode
21:31:19 <selsta> other coins have millions in funds monthly lol
21:31:22 <NorrinRadd> also some chains have stuff on udacity, etc 
21:32:56 <selsta> I'm quite sure that is for programming on top of their chain and not for programming the core implementation itself
21:33:00 <jwinterm> min
21:33:03 <selsta> but I did not look into it
21:33:09 <jwinterm> sry wrong window
21:33:26 <Rucknium[m]> NorrinRadd: This can be done. Do you have the time and capability of doing it? Submit a CCS funding proposal if you need funds.
21:33:57 <Rucknium[m]> Monero is permisionless. There are no CEOs for the core protocol.
21:34:18 <NorrinRadd> selsta chaincode is core specifically and stuff on udemy is "building transactions" which is part of core as well... wallets at the least 
21:34:51 <NorrinRadd> Rucknium[m] i can't say i have the capability at this time.  i'm interested in being a consumer of such material
21:35:03 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/pkg3d6/the_monero_project_should_actively_recruit/
21:35:14 <selsta> i don't know, we would just need a couple more experienced devs :/
21:35:32 <Rucknium[m]> ^ Since posting this, I joined the MAGIC Monero Fund committee and started recruiting researchers.
21:38:06 <DiegoSalazar[m]> <NorrinRadd> "r4v3r23 it's not an atomic swap...." <- this. Why are people saying it's non-custodial?
21:38:18 <NorrinRadd> idk
21:38:57 <NorrinRadd> they take custody and then (normally) they pay you in return 
21:39:09 <DiegoSalazar[m]> yes
21:39:23 <DiegoSalazar[m]> they are literally custodial in the sense that they take custody of your funds after sending
21:41:19 <NorrinRadd> Rucknium[m] yeah that seems to be the working methodology.  monero doesn't need central leadership per se, but there can still be other organizations that take it upon themselves to develop the next gen of developers 
21:41:30 <vikCake[m]> DiegoSalazar[m]: Yep.. even if for a few mins.  Same as our providers. 
21:43:12 <Rucknium[m]> NorrinRadd: I think documentation and training materials are badly needed. It's a question of someone(s) taking the initiative to do what is needed.
21:46:00 <selsta> DiegoSalazar[m]: I meant they don't have some custodial wallet service or whatever that would allow them to do a larger exit scam
21:46:15 <selsta> their exchange is custodial yes
21:55:50 <gonbatfire[m]> Technically they (and any other exchange like them) can retain funds and ask for KYC n' stuff, not sure what's surprising
21:56:37 <gonbatfire[m]> If that worries you, just do low amount txs
22:02:12 <kayabaNerve> IIRC Majestic Bank did have deposit functionality
22:02:23 <kayabaNerve> As in, you didn't always have to instant exchange, yet could deposit to an account
22:03:45 <kayabaNerve> >  There is little explanation for such actions if not to clean house and perform an exit scam. Without any explanation from the admin, Dread staff urges nobody use Majestic Bank. 
22:04:22 <kayabaNerve> Beyond cleaning their sub, looks like they set a different moderator for whatever reason, with reports being ~12h old.
22:04:46 <kayabaNerve> If this is an exit scam, it's a horrible one. They didn't even try to re-assure users. It almost seems like they closed down in a rush.
22:04:58 <kayabaNerve> Not to justify their behavior/say they didn't end up scamming anyone, as it looks like they did.
22:07:17 <selsta> oh ok I did not know that they had a deposit functionality, I don't use swap exchanges in general
22:08:28 <kayabaNerve> I looked at them a while ago because of their MoneroKon sponsorships
22:08:40 <plowsof> r4v3r23: thanks for reporting, can anyone confirm deposits are not appearing on the ccs page? i dont have access to a wallet right now to restore the ccs wallet / double check - keys here https://github.com/moneroexamples/generic-xmr-scanner/commit/27f9915034cfb5e72c2514adc7f19d9aeb603619
22:08:58 <kayabaNerve> Thankfully never used them
22:12:01 <cryptogrampy[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Is it working yet?" <- lol
22:12:20 <cryptogrampy[m]> Definitely not.
22:13:01 <cryptogrampy[m]> Also, does anyone know if majestic bank is working?  I just send 20k xmr to swap for cumcoin and have been waiting for 12 hours now (approximately)
22:19:00 <kayabaNerve> cryptogrampy[m]: send me 10k xmr and i'll be sure it's included in the next block, just for you!
22:19:28 <cryptogrampy[m]> did anyone listen in on the thorchain discord event today?  i wasn't able to make it
22:20:05 <cryptogrampy[m]> it was apparently 'privacy coin' focused
22:21:43 <kayabaNerve> Should I post on /r/Monero or /r/xmrtrader they exit scammed?
22:21:55 <kayabaNerve> I feel they were active enough on /r/Monero with their advertising we should have a post there
22:22:22 <kayabaNerve> ... xmrtrader with a crosspost to /r/Monero, mods are welcome to delete the crosspost if they disagree
22:24:00 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO, someone should attempt to confirm the information before spreading it further.
22:24:15 <kayabaNerve> Rucknium[m]: I would've agreed if it wasn't for the fact Dread is definitive in their statements here
22:24:24 <Rucknium[m]> Which may require sacrifice of a few piconeros.
22:24:28 <kayabaNerve> Which sure, that's a distinct community, yet MajesticBank was a DNM without question.
22:24:44 <kayabaNerve> It was just one exposed to the clearnet with donations accordingly.
22:25:00 <kayabaNerve> So given the history with such groups, and how the discussions there are definitive...
22:25:12 <kayabaNerve> But yes, I posted "accused of" "find another exchange" in case.
22:25:15 <Rucknium[m]> What's the p-value on this hypothesis? :P
22:25:26 <kayabaNerve> But I personally believe even if they do come back, their reputation is ruined at this point.
22:25:41 <kayabaNerve> Also, they did wipe their account and subreedit.
22:25:47 <kayabaNerve> *subdreadit
22:25:51 <kayabaNerve> ... subdread?
22:25:56 <kayabaNerve> idk really don't use it
22:26:23 <kayabaNerve> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/wwwodb/majestic_bank_accused_of_exit_scamming_find/ for my Monero post which got hit by automod
22:27:03 <kayabaNerve> I do believe due to the amount of advertising they did on /r/Monero, this could be argued as justified, but I do really respect the tech/trade border in our community
22:27:23 <kayabaNerve> https://www.reddit.com/r/xmrtrader/comments/wwwnv1/majestic_bank_accused_of_exit_scamming_find/ for the xmrtrader post which doesn't say anything definitively but does raise awareness, which is properly placed and standing
22:35:02 <kayabaNerve> Apparently MB has no search results on /r/xmrtrader, yet several on /r/Monero https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/search/?q=majestic%20bank&restrict_sr=1&sr_nsfw= 0_o
22:40:43 <vikCake[m]> Gosh… never a boring day in Monero world
22:42:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/user/MajesticLabs/comments/
22:42:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Last comment a month ago?
22:42:48 <plowsof> ill reserve judgement until i hear their side (dread mod account could have been hacked/phished) their telegram channels last message is from aug 15th , tumble weeds (3000 members in there) 
22:43:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'm not passing judgement :P.
22:43:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majestic was active on GitHub within the last couple weeks  
22:43:56 <vikCake[m]> Last i heard from them was aug18
22:45:38 <Rucknium[m]> r4v3r23: I see donations of 0.0001, 4.8, 0.1, and 0.1312 XMR to the Seraphis CCS address with the CCS view key so far
22:46:15 <plowsof> so its definitely not updating , weird 
22:46:44 <Rucknium[m]> I think there is often a lag. Not sure why
22:49:25 <kayabaNerve> plowsof: Their account could've been hacked/the Dread mods could be lying. The issue is two-fold:
22:49:34 <kayabaNerve> 1) Reports of not paying out, not from Dread, yet from users.
22:49:44 <kayabaNerve> 2) Lack of statement from MB on any other account.
22:50:22 <kayabaNerve> It's been ~24 hours since the initial questions opened about missing trades and ~12 hours since they were labelled an exit scam. They should've commented by now.
22:50:42 <kayabaNerve> It seems like they exited, left the site up as a scam, yet also nuked their account (firing a flare it was a scam which is... weird as hell).
22:50:59 <kayabaNerve> I would say it absolutely shouldn't be used until this is resolved, and people need to be aware of an active incident.
22:51:15 <kayabaNerve> While I can hope an exchange won't scam and they'll come back, that doesn't mean we can ignore it, even if we do wait to pass judgement.
22:52:26 <kayabaNerve> So I won't say they have exit scammed, yet I will say they've been accused and it's likely
22:59:20 <vikCake[m]> What’s their telegram group ?
23:01:19 <kayabaNerve> They have a Telegram user, MajesticBank, which they supposedly used. I don't know what groups DiegoSalazar[m] is referring to though.
23:06:49 <plowsof> also Majesticsupport ( the groups title is Exchange XMR BTC - MajesticBank ) unsure how to link, they dont have the verified symbol on their users also
23:07:17 <vikCake[m]> plowsof: Just saw u in there 😂
23:26:20 <kayabanerve[m]> So uh
23:26:29 <kayabanerve[m]> You guys hear of atomic swaps?
23:26:39 <kayabanerve[m]> There's no middleman so this type of stuff can't happen 👀
23:39:26 <vikCake[m]> <kayabanerve[m]> "There's no middleman so this..." <- We are all waiting for u
23:41:30 <vikCake[m]> :)
23:47:28 <kayabanerve[m]> I was hoping to draw more attention to noot's ETH atomic swap work :p https://magicgrants.org/noot-ETH-XMR-Atomic-Swaps/ We're still trying to raise funds for that 👀
23:52:32 <nioc> need atomic swaps between xmr and fiat