00:00:32 It was 00:00:46 aremor[m]: Right but i bought it with personal funds. Not community funds. 00:00:46 #monero-site:monero.social 00:00:48 And on GitHub 00:01:02 Referring to thebredireft 00:01:14 * Referring to the redirect 00:03:12 aremor[m]: The redirect was a community discussion started by moneromooo 00:07:00 "Spend 5% of it to get Haveno..." <- This is actually very compelling 00:12:13 "ThorChain or Serai even…. But..." <- Cake made a deal with haven to get monero on thorchain. They are working on it. Also we have committed to Serai to support them in cake and in any other way we can. 00:12:27 What's the big picture? It's not the domain 'right now'. Its to get Monero's adoption to every nook n corner of the globe. Agreed? 00:12:27 For that we need all projects to get going, improve privacy, improve tech, improve research. For that you need funds. Speed is the key. It's a cat n mouse game. 00:12:27 You can buy off a domain, but you could've very well used this to be 2 years ahead in development. Which one wld you choose? 00:12:27 Also, if donor can make his intent to buy the domain. Fair. Go n give him back his funds. Let him raise a CCS, n make a transparent deal then. There could be legal issues otherwise. 00:15:44 vikCake[m]: ThorChain and Serai support fiat? If not, Haveno might be the biggest priority 00:18:46 aremor[m]: Yep, we donated to haveno as well. 00:18:57 s/we/Cake/ 00:22:00 Cakelabs is becoming our Blockstream (joke) 00:22:30 Apparently, Haveno was fully funded overnight. Downside of Monero is no one would know the generous donor(s). 00:22:30 Sad part is its still "under development". 00:22:53 They need devs 00:22:58 Haveno needs an accountant ***** 00:23:08 I applied but got rejected 00:23:12 They weren't hiring 00:23:24 gonbatfire[m]: Like, they are desesperately in need 00:23:44 > <@afungible:monero.social> Apparently, Haveno was fully funded overnight. Downside of Monero is no one would know the generous donor(s). 00:23:44 ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, because the donation was for the UI work 00:23:44 No.. they need an accountant 00:23:44 > 00:23:44 > Sad part is its still "under development". 00:23:44 We are on their website as a donor. 00:23:49 All else is being done for free 00:23:59 Yeah, and they were in the green and didnt sell 00:24:20 Nothing in life is free 00:24:38 I kid. We all know open source devs, dev for free 00:25:06 Erciccione and Woodser arent sacrificing themselves else they would have ccs'd haveno development 🫣 00:25:30 🤨 00:25:45 Its a for profit venture 00:25:49 I see them working their asses of, but i'm no dev so I guess I can't tell 00:26:31 Its open source, but haveno proper isnt a community oroject. It intends to generate money and as was stated, only the ui was ccs 00:27:01 ofrnxmr[m]: And a % of profit goes towards Monero development 00:27:14 Supposedly 00:27:19 ofrnxmr[m]: Kinda like uniswap, but with fiat (& hopefully to exchange those dirty CBDCs). 00:27:27 Haveno isnt a community project. Cent exactly be held to uphold that agreement 00:27:35 Where is havenlsncouncil? 00:28:05 Why were ccs funds gambled? With nonoveesighr? 00:28:05 Because haveno is not haveno front end ccs. Its accountable to nobody afaict 00:28:15 s/is/=/=/ 00:28:24 s/is/=/=/, s/not// 00:28:26 "They need devs" <- Hmm what languages? 00:30:16 It's a bit vague. I think things would become clearer once it's in shape & people start using it. 00:30:16 They can only share profits "if" they make profits & users use it. 00:30:16 I have no clue what their front end looks like. No front end, forget back end 😄 00:31:40 The back end is modified bisq 00:31:50 And has absolutely nothing to do with us 00:32:05 Its not something we get to vote on or that we funded 00:32:19 We just paid for a gui 00:33:19 I mean if UI sucks & users won't use it. Then it's good for nothing. I hope they really give bang for our bucks, coz I too enthusiastically contributed, n want to see it succeed. 00:34:00 But youbdidnt contribute to the codebase ^ 00:34:10 Woodser and Erciccione 00:34:19 Only contributed to third party ui devs 00:34:52 aremor[m]: #haveno-dev 00:35:24 #haveno-dev:haveno.network 00:35:51 may tricks 00:37:00 Haveno is in weird legal area, like throchain. 00:37:00 Profitting is an issue. / proceeds of crime 00:37:20 * Haveno is in weird legal area, like tornado cash**. 00:37:20 Profitting is an issue. / proceeds of crime 00:40:20 https://twitter.com/HavenoDEX/status/1560171585243324416 00:43:48 If funds were going to a community fund, used to allocate ccs funds etc maybe not so bad. But to create a vehicle that provides constant stream of unregulated funding for a small group of people is something where "id have to ask my lawyer" 00:43:53 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Haveno is in weird legal area, like tornado cash**. 00:43:53 > Profitting is an issue. / proceeds of crime 00:43:53 What happens if Haveno is sanctioned, could it serve similar fate as TC? Its a DEX n unless there a way to know cash being deposited to/withdrawn from has anything to do with Haveno, people could still use it with low risk. 00:46:53 afungible[m]: I’ll comment that it’s not actually decentralized. I assume there will be escrow and arbitration. Maybe there’s a DAO like Bisq….. but I wouldn’t call that decentralized either. 00:47:24 Yeah accepting profit definitely adds potential liability 00:48:01 * potential liability (a la Tornado Cash and other centralized mixers in the past) 00:49:15 and damn that means if you do contribute code, do it with a throw away GitHub account because we know what Microsoft did to those developers 01:38:45 "I think it’s silly for the GF to..." <- I’m in favor of you keeping it to be honest. What the company can do for Monero as a whole with that domain is great. I think the compromise with the banner link was great and solved my only concern. The community generally agrees the Monero.com wallet is one of the good ones, and I’d rather have people directed there than a scam wallet. What are we (the community) 01:38:45 gonna do with it? Basically have getmonero.org on it. That’s cool. But not worth 400k 01:39:34 "I think we take that $400k..." <- Ding ding. Agree. .org fits. .com (commercial) makes sense to be one of the few good commercial enterprises in Monero. 01:43:37 I wonder what core will decide 🥲 01:54:02 Hello guys eth will be converted to pos on Sep 15th. Do you guys think that many hashrates will have a big impact on Monero? In my opinion, it will not be affected much by the characteristic of randomx's excellent ASIC resistance and CPU mining, which is more efficient than gpu. 01:56:40 ofrnxmr[m]: I see a Reddit poll and a lot of feelings in the near future 01:56:44 monet[m]: non. 01:56:44 GPU are way less good for mining then CPU and they take a lot more power. 01:56:44 None will be in profit by doing so 02:01:43 However, the end of eth mining will have a big ripple effect on the mining eco in some way. In addition to Ethereum Classic, Raven, and Argo, there is no coin with the highest profitability after Ethereum. What will ASIC do? 02:04:47 sol 02:05:17 End of Eth? U mean because of the Tornado fiasco? 02:06:41 Eth is such a joke 02:07:03 Completely centralized. PoS, fully censored. 02:07:28 I can barely name one use case for it 02:07:49 This TC situation proved everything 02:15:32 Well, the "defi" folks are going strong with it. 02:38:07 "This TC situation proved..." <- Im drunk rn, whats is TC 02:39:27 TornCock 02:39:28 TornadoCash*** 02:39:31 sorry my keyboard is jammed with digestive biscuits 02:39:41 Lol 02:39:45 Ob tornado cash 02:39:48 Ofc 02:39:58 im such a dumbass 02:42:09 cryptogrampy[m]: 💀💀💀💀😭 02:45:34 got that bent cock 02:45:59 that tornadoussy 02:47:47 KNNY[m]: There's another joke u're missing. 02:48:08 Torr: I cant gwt jokes rn 02:48:49 But can u get tornadoussy? 02:49:15 yeah cause im the one that made the joke 💀 02:49:40 obviously Im gonna get a joke that I made 02:50:04 Lmao 02:50:32 Which drink have u had today my lad? 02:51:31 Ive had a chardonnay, a dragonfruit IPA, and a mint vodka soda thingy 02:52:35 And an orange crush drink at a pizza place 02:53:14 I asked for the for fruity stuff and they gave the goods 02:55:17 I'd recommend u not ask for fruity stuff while u're like that. 03:22:27 "I’ll comment that it’s not..." <- no DAO: https://haveno.exchange/faq/#why-no-dao 03:36:49 "I'd recommend u not ask for..." <- Im gay so it's the gay law to ask for fruity stuff 03:37:07 the least I can do is IPA 03:39:53 =D 03:40:16 If its bud light or a pint, forget it 03:40:32 Lol 03:41:14 I want to jam out to shygirl or alaska tbunderfuck 03:41:46 these bitches just don't get it 03:42:37 Leaving here, see ya 07:39:29 lol wtf with reddit, post getting censored just for pinging /u/VikXMR (had to edit a few times to figure that's what got caught in the censor filter, the actual flying fuk???) 07:43:53 "And an orange crush drink at a..." <- Chicago 08:13:32 Hi, when using monero-rpc (rust "bindings"), I started the stagenet node locally, using get_block_count everything works, however when trying to make a new wallet, I get "Method not found", while the port should be working since get_block_count works, any idea? 09:32:00 1$ is now worth more than 1€! 09:32:00 We are going to the dumpster, and those who do not have stock or monero will soon stay without money. Electricity price continues increasing 10:23:58 hello 10:57:13 Hi 14:08:35 luigi1111 binaryFate For the Haveno CCS, to reduce risk for the community, how about Core make a restricted donation to MAGIC Grants for the purpose of continuing the Haveno FOSS code. That way we could convert to USD and sit on it, and then we can work out an agreement with Haveno separately under the CCS terms. I would need to speak with my board about this, but that way money isn't going to the recipient unless work is completed, 14:08:35 and volatility risk is removed in the meantime 14:17:56 my comment about it: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/295#note_18469 14:26:07 The link to havenos CcS comment was only posted in the IRC channel. Link: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/295#note_18441 14:27:30 "luigi1111 binaryFate For the..." <- 100% agree with something like this. Doesn’t have to be this exactly but something where we don’t pay out to Haveno team in a lump sum, but they get their “price stability” none the less 14:36:59 Hi, does anyone know how sub-addresses affect performance? If I do one for every "order", how many should I expect to be able to use before a slowdown? 14:49:16 sgp: I agree. Unless extra donations have covered the discrepency, I dont believe the remaining xmr is enough to cover the remaining costs. 14:49:16 So the locking in of value would have to wait until xmr value is high enough to cover the trading losses suffered on the already paid milestones 15:01:48 "Hello guys eth will be converted..." <- I suspect we'll see small number of miners move from ETH to algo-switching on MoneroOcean 15:04:46 roooooocc[m]: subaddresses slightly increase RAM usage but don't slow things down 15:20:41 "Hi, does anyone know how sub-..." <- You can create a million subaddresses for an account. But it won't be referred to/used, until you receive money in those subaddresses (aka. unspent output in that subaddress index). I am not certain of RAM usage, but good to ask in "monero dev" channel on this IRC. 18:31:34 "luigi1111 binaryFate For the..." <- CCS or Magic Grands or both are only paid after work is completed? 18:34:45 You pick your poison when you ask for funds 18:35:48 Plenty of ccs are requested with immediate payout. Haveno only requested a portion to be paid immediately 18:35:48 And still fucked it up 18:36:02 Math is fud 19:56:52 "You pick your poison when you..." <- Isn’t it as per milestones defined in ccs ? 20:02:30 I dont see anything saying its required to have milestones (plural) 20:02:42 Milestone 0 is immediate pay 20:25:12 "Milestone 0 is immediate pay" <- Yes, but seems haveno went with milestone approach and didn’t take in account bear market price correction 20:25:12 They should have hired devs working for xmr payouts and not usd 😅 if they were asking monthly payout from ccs 21:07:10 The devs are working for xmr payouts 🥲🥲🥲 21:09:38 Precisely. They either forgot about the market or were hoping NGU (numbers were up at the time of funding) 21:11:08 So now their plan b is to secure the fiat value by putting it in a stablecoin 21:11:08 Stablecoins in this market are another huge mistake imo. 21:12:05 If they want to avoid risks associated with crypto, stablecoins arent the way 21:36:46 what is the way? 21:42:46 They require fiat value. Fiat 21:45:32 whose bank account? 21:45:34 So 21:45:34 1. Once xmr value is enough to cover costs, an xmr donation is made from ccs to an identical magic proposal for the usd amount. 21:45:34 2. Magic then converts the xmr to usd to lock in the value. 21:45:34 3. When haveno needs payouts, magic converts back to xmr and pays (haveno directly?) 21:45:43 Magic 21:46:04 Safer than ercicciones cryoto trades 🥲 21:46:10 US corp has no risk? 21:46:32 sgp: can answer more to that 21:47:31 the big eye :D 21:49:27 just do the work and wait for moon 21:49:36 it always comes 21:56:11 MAGIC is able to hold funds in actual U.S. dollars rather than a stablecoin, FWIW. 22:50:44 MAGIC is a US corporation and one of the reason it's not the preferred option apparently is that it has a bunch of retarded ass policies like AML due to being in murica or whatever and anyways, fuck murica, retarded ass clown 3rd world country, like, who the fuck would even trust anything located in murica anyways? 22:53:08 like, it's not cause yall muricans that eryone and the whole world has to do it your way, typical murican tryna act like it's the only country out there but it's not and it's a fucking shithole and most people dont want to have anything to do with this piece of shit country 22:55:38 like, just an example with the recent tornado bs that happened, devs werent anon and yall expecting devs that are trying to build some good shit like DEX or whatever should be KYC'd by some murican corporation? fuck yall, fucking brainded muricans.... 22:55:46 just sayin... 22:56:40 🇺🇸🖕 23:01:44 You think Erciccione is anon? 23:01:57 A lot of the devs arent 23:02:03 is woodser is? 23:02:16 Jberman, rbrunner, kaya 23:02:32 Why would woodser have to do any kyc? 23:02:45 The funds are going from a core member / ccs to magic 23:02:59 Not from haveno 23:02:59 And I believe, back to ccs afterwards 23:03:01 idk. seems like he been doing a lot of heavy lifting on haveno 23:03:14 I agree, Woodser is a Chad 23:03:58 but it's about the UI devs, are they anon? idk, could be 23:04:13 either way, it shouldnt be your choice but theirs 23:04:50 Who's choice? 23:04:58 Its not THEIR money 23:05:00 the ones actually getting paid 23:05:20 Meaning haveno. The money doesnt belong to haveno until milestones are hit 23:05:27 (Or devs) 23:06:53 sure but why would they want to send noods and whatnot just to get paid after those milestones? that's what am saying, it's their choice to proceed how they want to proceed, not your choice that u tryna impose on them or whatever 23:07:11 They dont have to 23:07:14 same as earlier about the whole anon donation to ccs regarding monero .com 23:07:19 Monero goes from ccs to magic to ccs 23:08:03 and why would they risk funds getting frozen legally because it's based in a shithole country? 23:08:09 And again, isnt bF also not abon 23:08:11 Anon 23:08:47 spacekitty420[m4: Nothing is stopping erciccione from converting to fiat in his own 23:08:53 But he wants to use a stablecoin 23:09:23 Shithole country blah blah, where were tc devs arrested 23:09:32 Doesn't matter where youre based 23:10:28 stablecoins are a myth, i agree, it's all bullshit 23:10:28 so sure it's not an ideal choice either but that's taking a gamble of every stablecoin out there would go to 0 in that short amont of time or having funds frozen by a country that literally just making laws as it goes cause why the fuck not 23:10:53 Again, need clarification about magic 23:11:04 Ie, could magic buy gold? 23:11:15 Hold physical cash? 23:11:37 Backed stablecoins are okeyish (none felt so fat) 23:11:38 Singularity coins (algorithmic stable coins) are a big no 23:11:53 s/fat/far/ 23:12:13 Backed by what 🥲🥲🥲🥲 23:12:28 Us debt LOL not usd 23:12:34 backed by hyperinflation o.o 23:12:52 And literally bonds 23:12:55 Stocks 23:13:12 ETH 🤣 23:13:14 Themselves 🤣🤣🤣 23:13:29 x) 23:13:41 Depend which one but as you noticed all backed coins are still up and older than most singularity coin are not. 23:13:41 But yeah inflation is still a problem but 1 usdt is still ~ 1 usd 23:14:07 Usdt is not 1usd 23:14:17 s/are/and/, s/not/these like to collapse over there own gravity/ 23:14:35 Hence the ~ 23:14:38 Its 100% definitude not possibly to liqudate the usdt into usd 23:14:54 = amount of * 23:15:08 Its like 70% debt lolllll 23:15:14 either way, it's not a risk-free situation but as said, it would be just to hold them for that short amount of time of few months of work to get those milestones completed 23:15:15 Treasury bonds 23:15:19 Should continue to work as long as we dont have a usdt bank run 23:15:42 Investing in the us government 23:15:55 No, should continue to work at long as the bond market doesnt do anything 23:16:19 Us interest rates affect usdt backing 23:16:33 Usdc, pax all of them 23:16:43 They have mexican tether now. Did not look what there actual backing... Yet 23:17:02 Tip: tether backs your shit with thin air or worse, debt 23:17:44 Might as well just buy bonds directly and loan the us government some more of your money to devalue 23:17:44 Well, no "backed" stablecoin pulled a Luna yet 23:17:49 like, sure you could be all "what if stablecoin goes to 0" which, imo they eventually all will, in that short amount of time tho? 23:17:49 if so could also be "what if murica gets burned to the ground just cause they retarded mofos" 23:17:49 that's also a possibility u know, in that short amount of time? i mean... could be 23:17:49 it's never a 0-risk thingy and you could play the what if game with literally anything anyways..... 23:17:57 So yeah, fuck stables on every level 23:18:10 and fuck murica on every level as well 23:18:15 I dont own any stable.. I only own one coin 23:18:20 Fuck space too 23:18:23 And kitties 23:18:24 100% nw in lol 23:18:28 😋 23:18:30 well fuck u 23:18:45 You too izeekiel 23:19:00 (Do you know the meme video? Tiktok shit or whatever) 23:19:21 🤷‍♀️ 23:20:29 https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Na7ErUfu7MQ&local=true&feature=share 23:22:14 :derp: