11:00:38 <spacekitty420[m4> <plowsof> "If haveno deposit 420.69 Moneros..." <- uh? isnt the point of monero to be fungible? so why would that specific deposit be flagged over any other deposit? like, i know for example fixedfloat once froze funds from the btc side of trade, never heard of any monero frozen that way, also kraken is already kyc so why would they force kyc if it's already kyc'd? dont make no sense :derp: 
11:07:30 <plowsof> Anti money laundering laws. FF needs large amounts to be accounted for else they will get ' get tornado cashd ' 
11:08:36 <plowsof> One reason why some people dont recommend FF : for random AML spot checks
11:08:37 <plowsof>  
11:09:02 <spacekitty420[m4> what's FF? firefox?
11:09:10 <hashy[m]1> Fixedfloat 
11:09:12 <hashy[m]1> Unstoppable stop works too though, just less user intuitive 
11:09:12 <spacekitty420[m4> oh :derp: 
11:09:19 <hashy[m]1> s/stop/swap/
11:10:29 <plowsof> Any exchsnge has to abide by AML laws, not just FireFox
11:10:47 <hashy[m]1> Man I'm happy I've finally deleted discord 
11:10:47 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof: really? whats the best swap?
11:10:47 <spacekitty420[m4> and on the intuitive side, there's many non kyc options anyways...
11:10:57 <hashy[m]1> I just use fixedfloat ngl
11:11:00 <spacekitty420[m4> as for fiat on/off ramp, localmonero
11:11:10 <hashy[m]1> Haveno seems like it's gonna be good 
11:11:26 <spacekitty420[m4> right or they could just use their own platform too 😹
11:11:40 <spacekitty420[m4> duh! x)
11:14:26 <r4v3r23[m]> spacekitty420[m4: which swaps dont shotgun kyc?
11:15:50 <spacekitty420[m4> tradeogre not a swap but is non kyc and never heard them asking kyc
11:17:43 * hashy[m]1 uploaded an image: (43KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/DeztsagWxykzLwHZwPgEzgIk/Screenshot_20220905-121716.png >
11:17:53 <hashy[m]1> Not valid?
11:19:08 * spacekitty420[m4 uploaded an image: (21KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EogfbsaPsoCyPzQPrKjEVUSh/image.png >
11:20:15 <spacekitty420[m4> matrix buggy sometimes... my other acc is all fucked up too and cant join most rooms anymore and some messages dont even show up... so went back to the acc on matrix.org instead, seems less buggy for now
11:20:26 <hashy[m]1> hmm weird, thanks 
11:21:10 <spacekitty420[m4> didnt know monero.social was having issues as well tho so could be something else, idk
11:21:51 <hashy[m]1> Nah seems like it's working fine, just saw that error in settings 
11:22:04 <spacekitty420[m4> oh x)
11:25:57 <spacekitty420[m4> oh i hella derp too, thought you was tryna join the monero room lmao, oh well, guess it's bedtime o.o
11:25:58 <spacekitty420[m4> mlem
11:37:36 <plowsof> r4v3r23best swaps are atomic swaps followed by 'making them accept monero directly'  xD
12:16:36 <r4v3r23[m]> <plowsof> "r4v3r23best swaps are atomic..." <- yes p2p circuar economy etc etc
14:53:02 * r4v3r23[m] uploaded an image: (425KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WIYsadNTMOxGhGdvOzTPNjNa/image.png >
14:55:50 <ct[m]> that's why there is a dedicated monero.com wallet
15:12:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "image.png" <- I agree with this on a larger scale 
15:13:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is why I dont see any reason why monero needs atomic swaps.
15:13:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> _these surveillance chains_ are the ones who need atomic swaps. Not us
16:41:17 <hashy[m]1> : )
17:49:46 <NorrinRadd> spacekitty420[m4 i find matrix to be a buggy PoS myself.... and i probably mean the clients actually, but as an end user, who cares?  bad experience = bad experience 
17:53:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah, its the rooms rooms. Invite only
17:53:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rules
17:56:54 <NorrinRadd> ofrnxmr[m] citadel dispatch and haveno-dev are invite only?
17:57:45 <NorrinRadd> i literally can't do a damn thing with matrix.  i think i hate it.  thank g-d everyone bridges all their ish to irc or discord... except citadel dispatch....
17:59:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont know about citadel
17:59:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> #haveno-dev:haveno.network 
17:59:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think it invite 
18:00:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haveno dev is public *
18:05:11 <NorrinRadd> yeah element fucking sucks.  i'm starting to hate matrix altogether but i cant find a way around the problems. i'm discouraging its usage everywhere i can because its starting to cause me serious issues 
18:16:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try clearing cache?
18:28:59 <hashy[m]1> what issues
18:29:04 <hashy[m]1> seems fine to me 
18:29:20 <hashy[m]1> Maybe just try another client? https://matrix.org/clients/
18:49:08 <NorrinRadd> hashy[m]1 thanks.  i'll try some more.  fluffycat was already giving the same issue.  they just won't join any servers, at all.  tried hacking the links in several different ways and no matter what, they always say invalid server url 
18:50:38 <hashy[m]1> np goodluck