02:38:42 <NorrinRadd> if i want to migrate my monero node from 1 computer to a different one, how do i do that?
02:38:55 <NorrinRadd> i don't want to verify the entire chain all over again.  
02:39:05 <NorrinRadd> there's some way i can just copy the blockchain files over? 
02:40:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Copy > paste 
02:40:38 <assratatouille> yea just move the blockchain data from 1 pc to the other
02:41:01 <assratatouille> on windows it's stored in programdata
02:41:21 <NorrinRadd> os x ? 
02:41:23 <assratatouille> on linux it's ~/.bitmonero
02:41:30 <assratatouille> dunno about osx
02:41:42 <NorrinRadd> probably same as linux.  i'll check 
02:43:29 <NorrinRadd> ~/.bitmonero  du -h
02:43:29 <NorrinRadd> 122G	./lmdb
02:43:29 <NorrinRadd> 122G	.
02:43:34 <NorrinRadd> seems small?
02:44:06 <NorrinRadd> I'm probably about 2 weeks behind on sync
02:44:49 <assratatouille> a bit more than 2 weeks i reckon
02:46:52 <assratatouille> im not running a full node rn so i cant tell how much it's supposed to be rn but github readme says it was 130gb last april
02:47:30 <assratatouille> https://github.com/monero-project/monero#pruning
02:47:30 <assratatouille> > As of April 2022, the full Monero blockchain file is about 130 GB.
02:47:47 <NorrinRadd> dang how do i know if i have a pruned node?
02:47:54 <NorrinRadd> i set this thing up years ago....
02:49:01 <spackle_xmr[m]> Sitting at ~139GB
02:49:41 <NorrinRadd> i have 164k blocks to verify 
02:50:35 <NorrinRadd> so i'm 7.6 months behind 🤣
06:57:18 <NorrinRadd> are tor nodes **only** accessible through tor? 
09:51:45 <monerobull[m]> Ivan Ivanov: funds are shown the right way now
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09:57:42 <monerobull[m]> swaps looking good so far
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10:45:28 <monerobull[m]> the conversions are really confusing or maybe even broken, why does selling 0.01 btc for 8 xmr suddenly make it cost 800 xmr
10:52:39 <r4v3r23[m]> <monerobull[m]> "grafik.png" <- what is this?
11:08:08 <IvanIvanov[m]> <monerobull[m]> "the conversions are really..." <- In this case the 1 btc cost 800 xmr. This is the price at which you created the order
11:10:22 <monerobull[m]> Ah ok, just very confusing without documentation 
11:11:13 <monerobull[m]> Doesn't this mean you don't know how much you will spend unless you convert it yourself?
11:12:17 <IvanIvanov[m]> monerobull[m]: You specify the amount you want to spend when you create an order
11:12:54 <monerobull[m]> But as a taker you can't really predict the cost unless you convert yourself 
11:16:35 <IvanIvanov[m]> Yes, in the order you do not set the price, but the number of coins.
11:17:27 <IvanIvanov[m]> https://monero.observer/ivanivanov/
11:21:18 <monerobull[m]> Ivan Ivanov: how many confirmations are required for depositing, doing swaps, etc on both btc and xmr?
11:22:34 <IvanIvanov[m]> Default values for protocols are used.
11:33:24 <plowsof> i am seller 0a66b5df7ce00fac61d1e53a8a8be1b559a9bd35 who just spammed to books 
11:33:37 <IvanIvanov[m]> The deposit should appear after one confirmation. After that, you can immediately create an order. During the swap  the default values are used: 1 confirmation for btc and 10 for xmr
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11:36:43 <monerobull[m]> bitcoin is so slow, its painful to test this
11:38:28 <plowsof> Monerobull aka bob please do the needfull "Error: Refund (tbtc) transaction was not sent. Will try again after 5 min"
11:43:08 <monerobull[m]> what are you talking about alice
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11:43:23 <monerobull[m]> grandpa slow
11:43:27 <IvanIvanov[m]> plowsof: I don't understand English very well. If possible, please make your questions simpler.
11:43:53 <monerobull[m]> dont worry, we just wait for bitcoin confirmation
11:46:16 <monerobull[m]> 1 conf is in
11:46:57 <midipoet> we will be having a #monero-events planning meeting this weekend (Saturday 17th September @ 18 UTC) to discuss plans for MoneroKon 2023. Anybody interested in discussing anything about the proposed 2023 conference please come to the meeting. Agenda is found here (https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/733). Please comment if you would like something discussed, or ping the events workgroup in the #monero-events 
11:46:57 <midipoet> IRC channel. thanks
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11:47:13 <monerobull[m]> why does it want to refund
11:51:02 <monerobull[m]> Ivan Ivanov: is daemon still outdated?
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11:51:14 <monerobull[m]> or whatever builds the transactions
11:54:20 <plowsof> do not try this on mainnet* 😛
11:58:05 <IvanIvanov[m]> <monerobull[m]> "grafik.png" <- Each party to a transaction must not trust the other party. Therefore, the possibility of a refund or cancellation is periodically checked.
11:58:27 <monerobull[m]> oh ok
11:58:52 <monerobull[m]> the transaction building doesnt seem up to date
11:59:42 <monerobull[m]>  "Failed to submit signed tx: transaction was rejected by daemon"
12:00:31 <IvanIvanov[m]> monerobull[m]: Is it for xmr or for btc?
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12:07:05 <IvanIvanov[m]> monerobull[m]: You're right. Something wrong with xmr transaction ((
12:08:10 <monerobull[m]> probably just needs to be updated to fit the hardfork
12:08:11 <monerobull[m]> needs viewtags
12:08:47 <monerobull[m]> https://localmonero.co/knowledge/view-tags-reduce-monero-sync-time
12:09:01 <monerobull[m]> This is new since a few weeks
12:10:05 <IvanIvanov[m]> But a little earlier, the transaction worked for you
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12:11:04 <monerobull[m]> different one
12:11:33 <monerobull[m]> IvanIvanov[m]: the monero tx in this screenshot is also not on the blockchain
12:13:23 <IvanIvanov[m]> Maybe you're right. Then we will have to wait for the monero-javascript library to be updated
12:14:20 <monerobull[m]> ok, different question, how long before a swap times out and gets auto-refunded?
12:14:31 <plowsof> woodser is the monero-javascript dev in #monero-community-dev:monero.social he can help
12:22:23 <IvanIvanov[m]> <monerobull[m]> "ok, different question, how long..." <- The seller returns BTC to himself with the help of a previously signed transaction. The network will only accept this transaction after the first transaction has received 10 confirmations
12:23:13 <IvanIvanov[m]> The buyer can withdraw BTC with a Cancel transaction. The network will only accept this transaction after the first transaction has received 20 confirmations.
12:24:05 <monerobull[m]> can this be done from the webui or is it automatic
12:25:01 <IvanIvanov[m]> monerobull[m]: It is automatic
12:26:09 <monerobull[m]> ok, when javascript is fixed, amounts are less confusing and there is more documentation, this will be amazing
12:28:27 <plowsof> monero-javascript should be working (its updated to v0.18.1.0 already, so the problem should be somewhere else 
12:31:23 <IvanIvanov[m]> plowsof: Probably we have an old version. Now we will try to update it
12:31:36 <plowsof> updated 16 days ago* 
20:49:00 <plowsof> https://magicgrants.org/Monero-Tracing-Research/ 
20:51:35 <plowsof> paraphrasing: from 9% to a 13.3% chance (with the aid of AI) in predicting the true spend. Now with 16 ring members these numbers will be even less
22:45:10 <CidadoisAncap[m]> <plowsof> "paraphrasing: from 9% to a 13.3%..." <- 13% predicting a true spend from a tx with 11 signatures? Lmao, pathetic
22:57:49 <needmoney90> With the aid of AI? What are they using as training data?
22:58:24 <needmoney90> Because afaik training data effective for this purpose would need to resemble real world spend patterns and those are relatively unknown 
23:02:59 <Rucknium[m]> needmoney90: Generated numerous transactions on stagenet. Paper:
23:02:59 <Rucknium[m]> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ACK-J/Monero-Dataset-Pipeline/main/Lord_of_the_Rings__An_Empirical_Analysis_of_Monero_s_Ring_Signature_Resilience_to_Artificially_Intelligent_Attacks.pdf
23:03:12 <Rucknium[m]> So, yes it's limited since the training set is artificial.