01:26:28 <needmoney90> Ruckinium: I'm curious if a heuristic of 'always choose the most recent input' would yield a higher percentage than pure chance. Considering the weighting of the age of the inputs in the ring construction. 
01:27:52 <needmoney90> That is to say, an improvement from pure chance to 13% based off of a training set of predetermined transactions seems like any 'AI' would latch on to the whole tail weighting thing inherent in the imout distribution 
01:28:06 <needmoney90> Input distribution*
01:29:48 <needmoney90> I guess my question is what heuristic the AI is adapting to, exactly. It feels like that kind of improvement would be easily achievable with basic heuristics that work because the input age distributions are intentionally not uniformly randomly selected
01:30:30 <needmoney90> (And as such feels like a local maxima trap)
01:33:54 <needmoney90> I would be curious to see the outcome if this was rerun with two super basic heuristics. The first being 'discard the oldest two transactions and randomly select from the remaining ones' and the second being 'always select the most recent one'
01:52:49 <xmrack[m]> needmoney90: You’re asking good questions. I would encourage you to read the paper which will answer 90% 
01:52:49 <xmrack[m]> https://github.com/ACK-J/Monero-Dataset-Pipeline/blob/main/Lord_of_the_Rings__An_Empirical_Analysis_of_Monero_s_Ring_Signature_Resilience_to_Artificially_Intelligent_Attacks.pdf
01:53:42 <xmrack[m]> needmoney90: The guess newest heuristic had no influence on the models due to the datasets being undersampled first. 
02:13:58 <Rucknium[m]> xmrack tried not to give the algorithm an advantage in the timing of transactions. In an earlier version of the dataset, the transactions were constructed very rapidly and timing was a big factor.
02:14:53 <Rucknium[m]> We already know that timing is an issue from Kumar et al. (2017) and Moser et al. (2018) and my own work. There was no need to replicate it further.
02:26:14 <Rucknium[m]> Furthermore, the effectiveness of temporal analysis is about to plunge once OSPEAD is estimated and deployed.
06:00:57 <Inge> PayPal is doing a marketing push for Monero these days https://twitter.com/govttrader/status/1569705740688060421
06:16:11 <Inge> and https://twitter.com/flipper_zero/status/1567194641610465281
11:19:29 <Inge> Today we missed Craig Wright ranting about fluffypony in a Norwegian courtroom: https://twitter.com/bitnorbert/status/1569984258466275328
11:20:18 <aremor[m]> ppl need to stop giving that psychopath attention
11:20:38 <Inge> this is the court case against Hodlnaut
11:21:31 <aremor[m]> 😩 I’ll take this very very small bite.  What does fluffy have to do with CW?
11:22:24 <Inge> Yeah we don't have the details of said rant, but I suppose fluffy has (most likely rightfully so) dinged CW's ego from time to time on the Hellsite
11:22:29 <aremor[m]> <Inge> "PayPal is doing a marketing push..." <- Anyone that didn’t see this coming never used paypal before 
11:22:52 <Inge> aremor[m]: true, but it is becoming more prevalent, and looks like a nice marketing push for XMR
11:25:12 <aremor[m]> <Inge> "and https://twitter.com/..." <- I removed PayPal from my business last year. It just wasn’t worth it.  PayPal is extremely business hostile.  It gains me nothing to have them as a payment processor 
11:25:23 <Inge> <3
14:51:31 <nikg83[m]> Has .bitmonero folder changed to .monero ?
14:52:59 <RavFX[m]> nikg83[m]: no
17:41:48 <Morpheus[m]> escapethe3ra:  could you put an announcement on monero.observer? I'll pay people interested to check a transation of a file for me, from English to French, another one from English to Spanish and another from English to German. The file is related to Moneroj.net and consists of 140 simple phrases, some as simple as "About us". Estimated time about 1 hour of work. Will pay 0.2 xmr to each person. People can contact me here or via
17:41:48 <Morpheus[m]> e-mail mail⊙mn
17:46:30 <Morpheus[m]> escapethe3ra: could you put an announcement on monero.observer? I'll pay people interested to review a translation of a file for me, from English to French, another one from English to Spanish and another from English to German. The file is related to Moneroj.net and consists of 140 simple phrases, some as simple as "About us". Estimated time about 1 hour of work. Will pay 0.2 xmr to each person. If anyone wants to help, I need
17:46:30 <Morpheus[m]> these 3 native speakers. People can contact me here or via e-mail mail⊙mn
17:48:42 <chch3003[m]1> Morpheus: I am native French speaker, happy to help
17:49:00 <Morpheus[m]> Thanks, I'll pm you
18:18:26 <Hycide[m]> Morpheus: I'm a native German speaker, would like to help as well.
18:23:00 <Morpheus[m]> Hi, nice to know, will pm you 
19:06:07 <Tor[m]> @Morpheus  man you are paying good money for google translate 
19:07:18 <Tor[m]> If you want to translate in  indic languages let me know
19:09:42 <Tor[m]> ;)
19:12:09 <Morpheus[m]> That's why I'll send the file, I just need native speakers to check it. Thanks, I'll take note to message you in the future. 
19:12:39 <Morpheus[m]> =)
19:13:10 <Tor[m]> Hope you have a great day =)
19:13:24 <Morpheus[m]> You too
20:27:44 <nioc> where is the drama?
20:38:24 <plowsof> im bored too. in desperation i started looking for github issues i could comment on 
20:45:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I saw on reddit Monerujo had an offline wallet? Cant find the link anymore
21:27:18 <anhdres[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "I saw on reddit Monerujo had..." <- you're probably talking about Sidekick, which got funded and it's been worked on.
21:28:44 <escapethe3ra[m]> cryptomorpheus_[m]: done
21:38:31 <halontka89[m]> anyone else having trouble syncing cake wallet? very slow and frequently stalls. i have been experiencing this for awhile but now it just won't sync at all
21:39:13 <halontka89[m]> it connects to a node, the blocks remaining appears, then doesn't move, or moves very very slowly (to the point it's unusable)
22:10:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <anhdres[m]> "you're probably talking about..." <- Yeah thats the one