09:32:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeting this Saturday @ 16:00 UTC
09:32:03 <ofrnxmr[m]>  https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/742 
09:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> http://www.timebie.com/std/utc.php?q=16
09:32:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Today*
09:53:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> jberman:  rbrunner:  think you'll be able to attend? 
09:53:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have ... issues.. with plowsof ccs proposal.
10:51:48 <jberman[m]> Will try, can also share what's on your mind
11:10:40 <plowsof> don't forget the countdown link with a nice autumn themed background image https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/fall?iso=20221022T16&p0=1440&msg=Monero+Community+Workgroup+Meeting%3A+Saturday+22nd+October+2022+%40+16%3A00+UTC&font=sanserif
11:12:06 <plowsof> midipoetgeonic1 
11:34:19 <plowsof> also before anyone says they don't see a usefulness in an xmrig/p2pool gui (gupax) it's development has been added to the official p2pool readme and just needs funding to fulfil its aims https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool#gui-for-p2pool 
11:37:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> I gotta pr termux node there 
11:47:35 <plowsof> does anyone know what the hive mind is thinking about? yesterday i was reading about syncing monero nodes on a submarine, methods of making in person purchases faster.. https://bounties.monero.social/ works.. Zcash blockchain bloat.. 
11:59:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What the ?
12:06:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> What the hive mind?
12:07:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  whattya mean
12:07:20 <plowsof> everyone here/us 😁
12:14:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, syncing monero wallets is pretttttttyyyy rough on data
12:15:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I synced a wallet the other day from 1.5 years back and it took hours and like 30gb of data
12:17:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe 17gb, either way.. felt longer than usual
12:18:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Node on plane probably better. The sub would have to surface?
12:21:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Cant believe i thought that out..
12:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Node on a plane should work
12:33:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> And NFC monero is like a hiccup away imo
12:35:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Wish i could do proxy vote for coordinator css proposal.
12:37:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just needs a wallet to recognize an NFC tap > launch into the send screen with the fields non-editable > show a confirm button and transmit to the netwirk
12:37:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Harder
12:37:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Show a transmit button and re-tap the NFC which would transmit the tx from your phone to the terminal and from the terminal to the node that the terminal is connected to
12:37:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: What to you mean by this
12:37:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> By "proxy vote"
12:37:55 <plowsof> I can down vote it for you dan, no problem
12:37:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> The meeting do you vote on the proposals?
12:38:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, youre free to join.
12:38:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> plowsof: No up
12:38:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> I can down vote it for you dan, no problem
12:38:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr>  * No up vote
12:38:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I gotta go make 3 ALTs, brb
12:39:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ofrnxmr[m]: I cant attend. You know what a proxy vote is?
12:39:51 <plowsof> you don't have to attend the meeting at the exact time to share a vote on a ccs proposal, ideally people register here and leave their opinions here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests
12:41:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’ll do that
12:42:42 <monerobull[m]> Community meeting here in about 3h, yes?
12:43:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yupyup
13:03:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I do think the css rules for funded projects needs to be looked at in regards making them honour there proposal ie molly
13:58:30 <plowsof> Meeting ~2hrs
14:39:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof, you see all my alts joining 😈
14:40:49 <devduck[m]> hi
14:41:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hows it going devduck: 
14:43:07 <devduck[m]> do you know me?
14:49:21 <devduck[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Hows it going devduck:..." <- good, hbu ?
14:59:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tony the tiger'n
15:02:32 <devduck[m]> :)
16:00:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeting 
16:00:28 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/742
16:00:44 <plowsof> hello everyone 
16:01:09 <monerobull[m]> Hi
16:01:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morning 
16:01:40 <eudaimon36[m]> hey
16:01:44 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
16:02:26 <plowsof> selsta can't make it today , but hello from his spirit 
16:02:51 <plowsof> hinto here?
16:04:02 <plowsof> lets jump into the ccs merge list first. i've been asked by hinto to 'hold off' on closing monero-bash
16:04:03 <hinto[m]> hello
16:04:15 <plowsof>   a. [[monero-bash v2.0.0]](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/333)    
16:05:52 <plowsof> it was decided that this proposal wouldnt go to funding because there wasn't enough interest / doubts about it being useful enough. the request is to hold-off and keep this open. what do we think? leave it open?
16:06:34 <hinto[m]> yes, I'd like to focus on gupax for now but I still want to work on monero-bash afterwards if possible
16:07:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'm in favor if leaving open - or closing and reopening once gupax is completed
16:07:14 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO, leave it open, but make it so it doesn't appear on the Ideas page for now
16:07:30 <monerobull[m]> I don't think anyone has something against letting it sit there for a bit 
16:07:45 <monerobull[m]> s/there for a bit/unmerged/
16:07:57 <monerobull[m]> s/there/unmerged/
16:08:05 <plowsof> ok we can agree on this then ^ 
16:08:14 <eudaimon36[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: agreed!
16:09:18 <plowsof> lets talk about moneromoon again - note : i have not attempted to contact him personally about this meeting since the comment on his proposal idea 1 month ago. he has since been active on twitter/reddit account 
16:09:23 <plowsof> b. [The-Monero-Moon-CCS-Proposal-August2022-John-Foss](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/336) 
16:09:29 <hinto[m]> Rucknium:  is there a way to hide it without deleting the proposal itself?
16:10:13 <althea_[m]> eudaimon36[m]: I agree with this
16:11:36 <plowsof> what shold we do with moon? hold off? talk about a decision yes/no?
16:11:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im against Moon's proposal. Requested view keys to see how much money he makes from donations on the site. I feel news outlets should be finding other sources if income post-startup. Moon seems to have unreported revenue steams.
16:11:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Quality of the newsletter is mostly an aggregator. Not often if ever breaking news 
16:11:46 <Rucknium[m]> hinto: I think so, but I don't remember how to
16:12:28 <plowsof> i'll make sure luigi knows we want to 'hide' it 
16:12:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyone else have input in moneromoon ?
16:12:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rates are extremely high for literally linking to observer in some cases 
16:12:59 <eudaimon36[m]> Yea, I lean that way as well
16:14:10 <plowsof> my main issue was the lack of proof reading - so if moon corrected the typos in his ccs proposal and said 'he would make sure to proof read / put more effort into it ' then i would reconsider (i just doubt that he can compete with monero observer in terms of literacy skills) 
16:14:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> The fact that hebsays moon dies without ccs makes me feel like doesnt really care to try.
16:14:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> He buys twitter followers though, Lol. 🤔
16:14:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proof reading isnt necessary when youre just reading observer while you write your newsletter 
16:14:59 <plowsof> i think we need to let him respond to everything and hold off?
16:15:19 <monerobull[m]> Observer literally makes really high quality monthly roundups for everything that's going on
16:15:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can someone ping him
16:16:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He didnt respond to my request for view keys on GitLab (twice)
16:16:25 <monerobull[m]> So I'm not sure how useful a weekly newsletter that can't sustain itself is when we already have observer and the one by rotten
16:16:28 <plowsof> johnfoss68: johnfoss68 - i have not put any effort to make sure he was aware / here for this meeting (other than publicly posting this here/reddit)
16:17:05 <monerobull[m]> Newsletter writer should kinda figure out when there's a community meeting 🤔
16:17:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hahahaha 
16:17:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> They will find out after they read observer 
16:17:30 <plowsof> is it fair for him to put out a statement first - and then we must decide Yes/No ? 
16:17:36 <monerobull[m]> Kek
16:17:59 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: Give it a deadline of EOY
16:18:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> His statement was basically fund me or gbye moon.
16:18:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> EOD
16:18:16 <Rucknium[m]> Isn't the proposal itself his statement?
16:18:34 <monerobull[m]> It really is isn't it
16:18:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id say close pending an update before EOD 
16:19:17 <plowsof> hide it and wait for response? 
16:19:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> No word from him, close it. Makes a good arguement we can push back to next meeting... ?
16:19:48 <plowsof> he could literally say ' im taking creative writing classes now and im going to proof read everything ' and i'd support
16:20:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like afganistan ccs, no interest from proposer 
16:20:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: He can open a new ccs when he can do journalism 
16:20:49 <plowsof> his fans are not here at the moment but he has them, so we must give hima  chance still 
16:21:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> But thats my vote.
16:21:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close EOD 
16:21:11 <plowsof> hide - final decision pending some kind of hail mary statement before EOY?
16:21:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im voting end of day
16:21:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> The newsletter is weekly. Not waiting months for a response
16:22:08 <plowsof> who wants to close it now? 
16:22:25 <eudaimon36[m]> close it
16:22:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Me
16:22:53 <plowsof> i just think its a 'highly contested' proposal and we should give one more chance ( i vote to close it now though) 
16:22:56 <monerobull[m]> Might as well
16:23:13 <hinto[m]> I think allowing for a response before final decision is fair
16:23:30 <plowsof> i just know for a fact that he has supporters who are not here right now and we must be fair 
16:24:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org:  are you ok with end of day? End of week?
16:24:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think waiting any longer makes sense.  
16:24:25 <merope> Hey everyone - just a quick update on SolOptXMR: I'm pretty close to finishing Milestone 2, and mj has already completed most of his work for M3+M4 already, so after that it's pretty much just my part of M3+M4 left. Unfortunately there have been some delays on my part (had some personal stuff to deal with in the last few months), so I doubt that I'll be able to finish my part in time for the original deadline, but rest assured that I (we) intend to
16:24:25 <merope> complete the project in full
16:24:27 <plowsof> hiding it - requesting hail mary statement before EOY seems fair - imagine there where an equal amount of people calling for it to be funded right now - we must compromise 
16:24:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's a journalist he should know about this conversation ASAP. Lol
16:24:59 <plowsof> thank you endor00
16:25:27 <plowsof> shall we touch on the next one 
16:25:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks endor 👍
16:25:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wait
16:26:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Consensus is close pending response by... end of week? 7 days from now
16:26:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or end of day?
16:26:49 <plowsof> i know atleast 3 people who would say put it to funding 
16:27:20 <plowsof> 4* if he lowers his rates
16:27:46 <plowsof> so i will do my best to contact him after this meeting 
16:28:28 <plowsof> for sure hiding it though 
16:28:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok well seems meeting consensus is close. These other people need to come forward at some point
16:29:14 <hinto[m]> a week/month seems like a fair amount of time
16:29:54 <eudaimon36[m]> hinto[m]: agreed 
16:29:54 <plowsof> yes its a nice compromise 
16:29:55 <plowsof> ready to move on?
16:29:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> I vote week 
16:30:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
16:30:23 <plowsof> ill do my best in contacting him
16:30:24 <plowsof>   c. [Forgotsudo monero marketplace](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/340)    
16:30:48 <plowsof> the last meeting we seemed to agree on letting them resubmit wiht only 1 milestone Web of trust 
16:31:08 <plowsof> theyve commented on their proposal that theyre considering it, so i think we can agree to leave this up 
16:31:53 <plowsof> ill follow up/contact them too 
16:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> I missed last meeting so ill abstain 
16:32:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I initially voted against, but if splitting into other ccs, close
16:32:37 <plowsof> they have been thumbed down but there are several people who support the proposal fully too (for promoting circular economy and such) 
16:32:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rebmsubmit the new ccs as a new proposal, no?
16:32:51 <plowsof> milestone 1 WoT only seems to be the path of least resistance (as we don;t know the team very well)
16:33:23 <plowsof> editing it would be fine 
16:33:44 <ofrnxmr[m]>  Leave it up
16:33:44 <plowsof> yes 
16:34:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> I remember this one, I had an idea for a better oath forward - this was the one I messages you about that I forgot the name of
16:34:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next?
16:34:21 <plowsof>  d. [Develop selfhostable monero payment processor](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/345)    
16:34:53 <monerobull[m]> No need, first time contributing and on top wants to be paid upfront 👎
16:34:53 <plowsof> i'd say close this one ( MoneroPay have been in contact with me and are going to make their own ccs proposal too.) 
16:35:25 <monerobull[m]> Is that "merchant"?
16:35:25 <plowsof> yes
16:35:25 <monerobull[m]> Ok those are awesome 
16:35:26 <plowsof> not a payment processor(*
16:35:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Closssseeee
16:35:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Another payment processor" - ooo123
16:35:58 <monerobull[m]> We at magic had a dead "payment" crypto from 2018 ask for money 
16:36:39 <plowsof> we have 24~ mins left so im going to put gupax before my personal idea 
16:36:54 <plowsof>   f. [Gupax: GUI for P2Pool+XMRig](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/350)    
16:36:55 <monerobull[m]> Yes. Gupax. Pls. 100% support 
16:37:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea, go gupax considering bash is stalled to allow Gulax we already decided yes  
16:37:31 <plowsof> gupax was added to the p2pool readme . it is currently the only GUI for p2pool / xmrig and has had support from reddit / matrix 
16:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next
16:37:44 <Rucknium[m]> People have been asking for a user-friendly way to use p2pool for over a year.
16:38:02 <plowsof> put to funding gupax ? yes 
16:38:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rucknium[m]: Termux node is kinda friendly too 😝
16:38:09 <monerobull[m]> It's literally what we need for p2pool to grow
16:38:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
16:38:49 <plowsof> alright lets get aggresive and talk about my idea 
16:38:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fuck your idea 
16:39:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haha
16:39:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lets go
16:39:11 <plowsof>   e. [CCS Coordinator (6 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/348)    
16:39:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> I am requesting you change the rates to the original 3 months / 69 xmr and add significantly more gui work 
16:40:01 <monerobull[m]> What's the status tldr?
16:40:16 <Rucknium[m]> The current dev/researcher experience with the CCS is not good. Talented people are more likely to just not bother
16:40:19 <plowsof> its a new 'role' and we're getting 'plowsofs' other contribs. too (site ~ gui/cli/rpc testing / liaison to core and such) so needs opinions 
16:41:19 <plowsof> the status of the proposal is : presented it to reddit asking 20 hours a week ~ got called a money grabbing scammer ~ rbrunner suggested to cut the effort in half and double the time frame which i have done 
16:41:27 <monerobull[m]> So this is more than ccs manager now?
16:41:56 <monerobull[m]> fancy "Secretary" that generally helps core be more efficient?
16:42:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> It includes all things plowsof
16:42:25 <eudaimon36[m]> Agreed, yes, change it to 3 months
16:42:45 <Siren[m]> Plowsof is my favorite secretary
16:42:54 <plowsof> yes (and also working on site / gui PRs) 
16:43:19 <plowsof> its literally 'plowsof to exist' as normal 
16:43:36 <althea_[m]> I’m in favor of changing it to 3 months
16:43:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I spoke with selsta and selsta would like to see 3/69 as well with increased gui work
16:43:47 <monerobull[m]> I said before i wouldn't comment bcs potential "conflict of interest" with magic but this is a different role now and i fully support it
16:44:27 <plowsof> except put more effort into the ccs process before / during / after - jberman suggests looking into getting 'hard problems' funded (for this i would need to work closely with MRL members)
16:44:38 <hinto[m]> +1 plowsof has already been doing this role for free for a while, I'm also in favor of increasing rate/shortening timespan
16:45:05 <selsta> there's so much to do with the gui and a second person to help me with testing would be awesome
16:45:16 <nioc> whatever changes are decided for the plowsof CCS, other than not supporting it, I support the CCS
16:45:28 <nioc> the spirit of selsta has arrived  \o/
16:45:41 <Rucknium[m]> There are very few "the buck stops here" roles in Monero, which causes things to slip through cracks continuously. This CCS would close a lot of those cracks.
16:45:45 <plowsof> so 6 -> 3 months and increasing / restructuring hours? 
16:45:48 <monerobull[m]> Ok so that plowsof doesn't have to say it: change to 3 months and move forward to funding
16:46:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes please 
16:46:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Move to funding 
16:46:30 <selsta> nioc: hi :P
16:46:30 <eudaimon36[m]> yes
16:46:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta made it :D
16:46:56 <plowsof> ive included a untimely death clause - but i am in good health , do not worry
16:47:26 <eudaimon36[m]> lol, Jesus...
16:47:37 <nioc> what about timely death?
16:47:49 <eudaimon36[m]> haha
16:47:55 <plowsof> till death do us part 
16:48:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just over 10 mins left. Ready to move on?
16:48:58 <monerobull[m]> Oh yeah can we put a auto-death on proposals that have been funded but author MiA that pays out locked funds to general fund after like 2 years
16:49:06 <plowsof> i would like a public apology from geonic for stating that my contributions to site / gui / ecosystem are not valuable to this community 
16:49:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> On behalf of Geo, I apologize 
16:50:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok, next on the list iss
16:50:47 <plowsof> alright, i will modify and double check with everyone some time this week thanks for the support 
16:51:03 <plowsof> next on the list is.... 
16:51:47 <plowsof> mainly some bullet points to introduce to people , unless monerobull has outreach activities he wants to share?
16:51:57 <monerobull[m]> Hehe
16:52:58 <monerobull[m]> It's not technically really outreach. I wanted cool monerochan merch so I'm making some. This will be in the form of a limited run of plushies
16:53:45 <monerobull[m]> I want to thank reddit for basically funding this project with their nfts consistently paying out 20x
16:54:14 <Rucknium[m]> I completed Milestone 1 of "OSPEAD - Fortifying Monero Against Statistical Attack" https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/255#note_18750
16:54:25 <Siren[m]> <plowsof> "i'd say close this one ( MoneroP..." <- Hi, yes. We're working on a checkout system. Where you can use the API or the panel to generate checkout pages. This is what the PoC looks like: https://bin.kernal.eu/2/metronero.png
16:55:30 <monerobull[m]> is Metronero the merchant from reddit?
16:55:36 <plowsof> monerobull of monerosupplies.com (pls update certs ;_;)
16:55:37 <Siren[m]> No
16:56:17 <plowsof> the merchant on reddit is closed source at the moment
16:56:20 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: Https works and checkout enforces it, would rather not touch and break it more :P
16:56:31 <plowsof> that was mainly a Point of sale HotShop alternative 
16:56:54 <monerobull[m]> Is grampy still alive?
16:57:09 <monerobull[m]> Don't think I've seen them in quite some time
16:57:15 <plowsof> yes , active yesterday i believe 
16:57:26 <plowsof> god willing he is in good health
16:57:40 <plowsof> his next ccs will need an untimely death clause 
16:58:02 <plowsof> quickly introducing 3 things: 
16:58:15 <plowsof> - [Add StealthEX to swappers page](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1917)?  [MoneroTalk interview](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5Ekf5sqwrL8) [Reddit thread]
16:58:23 <plowsof> Add trocador.app to newly proposed [Aggregators section](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2045) on getmonero
16:58:29 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: The PoC for metronero is here:
16:58:29 <Siren[m]> https://metronero.digilol.net
16:58:29 <Siren[m]> We coded it up in 4 days for university and we actually would like to make a CCS proposal to rewrite it for production use. What do you guys think?
16:58:35 <plowsof>       - XMRstarter [source released](https://gitlab.com/zombie_master/xmrstarter) (proof of concept for a monero-only kickstarter)
16:58:47 <Siren[m]> * The PoC for metronero is here (it's stagenet):
16:58:47 <Siren[m]> https://metronero.digilol.net
16:58:47 <Siren[m]> We coded it up in 4 days for university and we actually would like to make a CCS proposal to rewrite it for production use. What do you guys think?
16:58:54 <plowsof> matrix users please forgive me for the formatting
16:58:59 <Stnby[m]> > <@siren:kernal.eu> The PoC for metronero is here:
16:58:59 <Stnby[m]> > https://metronero.digilol.net
16:58:59 <Stnby[m]> > We coded it up in 4 days for university and we actually would like to make a CCS proposal to rewrite it for production use. What do you guys think?
16:58:59 <Stnby[m]> Its also stagenet
16:58:59 <monerobull[m]> <plowsof> "mainly some bullet points to..." <- Oh yeah and i made a video for trocador this week
16:59:29 <monerobull[m]> How about we list that on getmonero /s
16:59:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive not used stealthex or trocador 
16:59:55 <plowsof> looks handy/easy to use. and this StealthEX - not heard much about it until their monerotalk interview / (they are sponsoring them for x months) and they want to be added to getmonero as a swapper 
16:59:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> But trocador is Morpheus? 
17:00:00 <monerobull[m]> Yea
17:00:04 <SerHack> Thanks stnby[m], will test it
17:00:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id hold off on stealthex for community trust / real reviews from users 
17:01:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morpheus trocador - monerubull can vouch ?
17:01:03 <plowsof> hello serhack the father of all monero payment processors who also has an amazing site https://serhack.me/articles/story-behind-alternative-genesis-block-bitcoin/
17:01:27 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I did 2 15$ swaps and didn't get scammed?
17:01:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right 
17:01:50 <plowsof> so stealthex need reviews , and also trocador 
17:01:51 <monerobull[m]> But yes, Morpheus is behind it
17:01:53 <SerHack> hi plowsof! Thanks for sharing the article, currently focused on finishing MM content as soon as possible. 
17:02:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok, I feel more comfortable using it if its morph and bull has used it. Perhaps have some reviews for the next meeting
17:03:31 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: https://youtu.be/QYfUSImvRnQ if you need any guidance 😜
17:03:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the hour.
17:03:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> What did we have left?
17:04:04 <plowsof> Mon 24th - invite only - koe will be hosting an architecture walkthrough of the seraphis library via [VDO.ninja](http://vdo.ninja/) screenshare. (a recording will hopefully be made for us all)
17:04:16 <plowsof> for the big brains (not myself) 
17:04:41 <plowsof> shall we call the meeting then? 
17:04:41 <monerobull[m]> Repost that message to MRL but I'm sure they already know about it
17:05:45 <plowsof> ok then, thank you everyone for attending the meeting x
17:05:53 <monerobull[m]> Thank you for hosting 
17:07:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you, Sir 
17:09:21 <hinto[m]> Siren: this is interesting, any more pictures or a git?
17:09:47 <hinto[m]> seems like it's locked behind registration
17:13:30 <Morpheus[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "But trocador is Morpheus?..." <- Yes I made it haha
17:15:17 <Morpheus[m]> The main idea is to work as a privacy layer, preventing exchanges from fingerprinting you and from tracing your ip, and at the same time finding you the best rates
17:17:31 <Morpheus[m]> We will deliver an API system that works via TOR 
17:18:06 <Morpheus[m]> And a widget that runs the trade without any javascript, so other javascript-free websites can monetize
17:20:25 <Siren[m]> <hinto[m]> "Siren: this is interesting..." <- The source code is here but the code quality is obviously bad: https://gitlab.digilol.net/moneropay/metronero-poc
17:20:25 <Siren[m]> Both the frontend and the backend needs a rewrite. It's also JS free.
17:23:15 <Morpheus[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ok, I feel more comfortable..." <- If you guys review it, feel free to send me the links, as we look forward to improving the service 
17:34:34 <hinto[m]> Siren: thanks, will try setting it up
17:34:59 <hinto[m]> I was going to ask if it used JS lol, I've been looking for something like this
17:37:10 <Siren[m]> hinto[m]: Oh no I don't suggest doing this. It's not for production use. There are possibly bugs and poor error handling. But we will rewrite it.
17:39:40 <hinto[m]> just for testing
17:39:58 <hinto[m]> would support a CCS for full development though
17:40:09 <hinto[m]> I hate having to unblock JS for payments 
17:40:09 <Siren[m]> Glad to hear that
17:42:27 <Stnby[m]> We use Refresh HTTP headers as of now, but you can also achieve an auto refresh with meta tags
17:43:16 <Stnby[m]> I guess people who require JS for payment processors spent exactly 0 hours reading HTTP/HTML standards
17:44:03 <Siren[m]> We will in the future support turning this feature off so the merchant can choose to support JS themselves and refresh using JS
17:44:14 <Siren[m]> But by default it's no JS
17:55:19 <hinto[m]> I may or may not have known a refresh header existed but very cool
22:23:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> curious does the the meeting minutes get recorded so if someone later wants to see what was said or brung up?
22:24:48 <plowsof> yes, we always upload the logs on the /meta repository (usually in the 'closed' area) https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/742
22:25:15 <plowsof> issues* (closed / open)