06:49:59 <msvb-web> To not miss a Saturday meeting I carefully checked the topic of this chatroom yesterday which stated next meeting in September. It seems I still missed a meeting, did I?
07:06:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yep
07:28:01 <devduck[m]> plowsof: during meeting you shouldn't have commented or replied during the discussion of your own ccs proposal
07:54:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why? devduck: 
07:55:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Every proposer is allowed to pitch / explain / converse 
07:55:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why would plowsof ccs be any different? 
07:55:30 <devduck[m]> biasness
07:55:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> He is currently a volunteer. He's not the coordinator
07:56:28 <devduck[m]> okay
07:57:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, he had 0 input
07:57:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> - Monerobull even "said it for him"
07:58:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> And the vote was unanimous
07:58:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you have any issues with the ccs? 
07:59:13 <devduck[m]> not really :)
08:55:15 <rbrunner> I like how the GUI wallet will probably get some more "love" if this proposal is successful.
08:55:45 <rbrunner> Good idea from selsta, if I read the meeting backlog correctly
09:31:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, Plowsof be able to dedicate time/resources to gui
09:31:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive only used gui once 😅😅😅😅
09:45:18 <ypavtv97lx[m]> people still crying for time machines on old bitcoin videos while the next big thing is passing by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmPg4V-YE0k
09:45:35 <ypavtv97lx[m]> I told my friends to buy Monero when it was 7 USD per coin
09:46:34 <ypavtv97lx[m]> today it's still heavily undervalued at only ~144 USD
09:47:44 <ypavtv97lx[m]> People don't see Monero because their eyes are blurred with tears from watching old Bitcoin videos
09:49:57 <ypavtv97lx[m]> PS. none of my friends purchased Monero but they were considering Bitcoin after it blew up in price lol
09:51:41 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Price of Monero would shoot up if we had more sorry ass stories about lost hard drive with thousands of coins and videos like this, people just love to dream but never really think.
09:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> ypavtv97lx[m]: You need better friends 
09:52:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🚮 yeet
10:07:51 <ypavtv97lx[m]> Now I know how those early Bitcoin guys felt 🙃
10:42:03 <rbrunner> Just 1 minute ago I told my son about that video and mused that such a "possibly 100,000 times profit" situation will not repeat for a long time, anywhere, be it crypto, be it something very different
10:44:52 <ypavtv97lx[m]> For sure Bitcoin will not multiply so much again at current price, in fact it's losing it's dominance for a long time now in the market cap against other projects and currently seats at ~39% according to coin360.com
10:46:58 <ypavtv97lx[m]> s/seats/sits/
10:53:14 <ypavtv97lx[m]> but people in /r/bitcoin still believe that owning 1 BTC is enough to be millionaire in future 🤣
10:54:16 <ypavtv97lx[m]> maybe if hyperinflation hits, but then 1 million USD will be worth 1 cheeseburger 
11:13:28 <plowsof> devduck the only bias i've seen is people knowing of my alias because of the contributions i've made to the ecosystem over the last year+ and moderating the meeting itself (but people had a week to complain about that), we need proposers to be able to speak / defend their idea (as they always have). One of the ideas discussed which i don't like personally i pushed for a fair compromise 
11:22:14 <plowsof> as for 'whats happening with the atomic swap gui' the last push to their main branch on github was august 10th, and this update was provided 1~ month ago , ill message binarybaron  and see where the team is at https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/321#note_18171
11:25:33 <plowsof> 2 months ago* 
11:32:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isn't comit unmaintained? I swear we rejected thus proposal 
11:32:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is why we need a coordinator 
11:38:49 <plowsof> if i remember, the feedback from this community was ' can it be easily adapted for Farcaster / comit is dead though / will we have to raise funds again for Farcaster gui when its finished / the comit swap UX sucks when things go bad, but the GUI will help (main reason for needing it)' but the proposal is very marketable / donator friendly, people are still using comit while we wait for Farcaster.. its just 'overdue'
11:44:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/commits/master
11:44:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bull had said it is maintained to some degree
11:48:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> But, im still against the proposal. My view: waste of time and resources. While ive never used an atomic swap (does anyone here use em?), my understanding is that farcaster and others are superior to Comit and are actively developed
11:50:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats one thing that needs to stop.
11:50:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proposals should never be merged without confirmation that it is to be merged.
11:50:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> We have meetings twice a month for these things.
11:50:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Future example: moneromoon ccs gets merged sometime this week without any further conversation 
11:52:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> That was _not_ what consensus said. We said _close_ without further info. Not _merge_.
11:52:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🔱 I'll be blaming you plowsof:  
11:52:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Moon is a hypothetical example)
11:54:26 <monerobull[m]> Hehe plowsof is now ccs customer support and gets the blame for everything
11:57:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> One man band
13:26:44 <plowsof> yes that is the idea, the coordinator should have an incentive to please the community (if there's nothing at risk then we get trash)
15:46:41 <DiegoSalazar[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Hehe plowsof is now ccs customer..." <- Happy to pass the torch. 
15:51:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dw Diego, I can still aim the flamethrower at you 😆
15:51:52 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Yes. Give me that nostalgia!
15:52:50 <plowsof> The first question was 'do you like being punched in the face?' before the role was introduced to me 
15:53:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Punched? More like: kicked by a donkey 
15:53:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Me being the donkey)
15:54:12 <Martin77[m]> Hello
15:54:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morning 
16:11:03 <Martin77[m]> how much minimum storage to run a node?
16:22:38 <RavFX[m]> <Martin77[m]> "how much minimum storage to..." <- Current storage for a unpruned node is 142GiB
16:26:11 <Martin77[m]> RavFX[m]: is it possible to sync with BD? 
16:26:29 <Martin77[m]> RavFX[m]: oh wow nvm
16:26:33 <Martin77[m]> i don't have that much storage
16:30:55 <nioc> a prune node is about 1/3 of that
16:31:12 <nioc> Martin77[m]: ^^
16:31:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> About 50gb right now for a pruned node 
16:32:55 <Martin77[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: thanks for the info , btw is it possible to use BD?
16:50:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> BD would be what?
16:56:57 <Martin77[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "BD would be what?" <- Bluray Disk 
16:58:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> RavFX:  might know
17:00:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id assume br is a hard no. 🤷‍♂️
17:04:57 <rbrunner> Well, I checked, and there is Blu-ray RE which is something like CD-RW, but yeah, such a disk would not only be terribly slow, but past its maximum number of rewrites before sync can terminate ...
17:06:10 <rbrunner> Monero daemons can even wear out SD-cards in smartphones with the blockchain on it, if I remember some reports from hyc correctly.
17:08:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> rbrunner: Going on 8 months or so here :P
17:08:55 <rbrunner> And probably failing any minute now, just to prove you wrong :) Believe, the card knows what to do for maximum effect and drama.
17:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> One thing that matters is the available free space
17:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> The smaller the card, the faster the rewrites get burned up
17:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also Hyc recommended changing the sync mode to lower the amount of writes
17:11:24 <Martin77[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Id assume br is a hard no. 🤷‍♂️" <- is an optical disk , it can store up to 50gb of data 
17:11:24 <Martin77[m]> since the blockchain doesn't modify data i think it might work
17:11:24 <Martin77[m]> a lil bit of info once a data is burn into it , it can't be modify
17:11:38 <rbrunner> Makes sense
17:12:25 <rbrunner> The assumption that the blockchain is a file that just grows at the end is wrong. It's a database, and it has indexes that are stored all over the place and change with each added block
17:14:25 <rbrunner> That's also the reason why corruption can occur, which you wouldn't expect if data just get added at the end, which would of course be trivial to do
17:15:14 <rbrunner> But well, if you have a BD writer, and rewritable disks, please do try, it would be interesting to hear the result nevertheless.
17:15:26 <RavFX[m]> <Martin77[m]> "Bluray Disk..." <- Can you use, yes.
17:15:26 <RavFX[m]> But it will be slower than HDDs.
17:15:26 <RavFX[m]> Probably not worth the trying
17:15:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> rbrunner:  ravfx has done some. . Things 
17:15:58 <RavFX[m]> You could use SSD cache to make it faster but if you can spare SSD space, why can't you spare HDD space
17:16:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think most info was in #monero:monero.social 
17:24:24 <RavFX[m]> BR seek time are over 100ms on average
17:24:24 <RavFX[m]> HDD seek time are like 7ms on average
17:24:24 <RavFX[m]> SSD seek time are 0us on average
17:24:24 <RavFX[m]> If SSD take 8HR and HDD take over a week to sync, I expect blueray to take a few months to sync.
17:27:45 <RavFX[m]> There is also no way to use LVM2 on blueray disk so the trick I posted on #monero:monero.social to make HDD sync a few order of magnitude faster, won't work.
17:33:00 <Martin77[m]> i think i will just use the BD for Archives 
17:33:00 <Martin77[m]> they lasted pretty long 100+ years 
17:34:14 <RavFX[m]> > <@martin77:matrix.rabbit-company.com> i think i will just use the BD for Archives 
17:34:15 <RavFX[m]> > 
17:34:15 <RavFX[m]> > they lasted pretty long 100+ years
17:34:15 <RavFX[m]> 5-10 years
17:34:18 <RavFX[m]> 100 years was marketing whohaa
17:35:10 <RavFX[m]> You can get BD-R that last 20 years.
17:35:10 <RavFX[m]> And some BD-RE that can last from 20 to 50 years but that's the theoretical maximum.
17:35:35 <RavFX[m]> Want long term storage for backup?
17:35:35 <RavFX[m]> Use TAPE
17:36:41 <RavFX[m]> like LTO Tape, can get use older unot for decent price but of course you gonna pay if you want LTO-6 or LTO-7. (That later have 6TB capacity per tape)
17:37:00 <RavFX[m]> s/use/used/, s/unot/unit/
17:39:48 <RavFX[m]> Oh, they have LTO-9 now, 18TB uncompressed and up to 45TB compressed 😄 (220$ per tape)
17:41:10 <RavFX[m]> * per tape / 405$ for a pack of 5)
18:31:34 <Martin77[m]> anonymous payment gateway for Monero?
18:31:34 <Martin77[m]> coinpayments work well but customers required to register email and i think they used your transaction data for analytics based on their Privacy Policy
18:36:02 <Martin77[m]> Hello mrhorus 
18:36:37 <mrhorus[m]> Hi
18:55:28 <plowsof> The animated videos ccs proposer posted a reddit message 3 days ago saying they're working on the videos now 📹️https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/xgqfdd/monero_youtube_channel_video_about_p2pool/
19:04:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> > <@martin77:matrix.rabbit-company.com> anonymous payment gateway for Monero?
19:04:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> > 
19:04:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> > coinpayments work well but customers required to register email and i think they used your transaction data for analytics based on their Privacy Policy
19:04:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You want to run one or use one?
19:11:51 <Martin77[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "> <@martin77:matrix.rabbit-..." <- run 
19:12:38 <Martin77[m]> coinpayments required customers emails and done analytics 
19:12:38 <Martin77[m]> coinbase merchant don't have xmr and required users to give emails + phonenum to setup coinbase
19:40:10 <Rucknium[m]> Martin77: https://github.com/monero-integrations , https://github.com/moneropay/moneropay , https://github.com/CryptoGrampy/HotShop , https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/accepting-monero-via-btcpay-server/
19:43:04 <Martin77[m]> Rucknium[m]: thanks
20:00:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Local monero then?
20:05:48 <Martin77[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Local monero then?" <- local monero has merchant features?
20:08:40 <Martin77[m]> i don't think they has one 
22:15:30 <jeffro256[m]> Who controls CCS payout besides luigi and binaryfate?
22:32:47 <selsta> only luigi
22:58:24 <plowsof> jeffro256 i assumed you contacted luigi privately after posting your update on gitlab 4 weeks ago, my apologies for not confirming 
23:24:29 <jeffro256[m]> I think I mentioned it once but I’ll shoot him another message
23:25:27 <jeffro256[m]> @selsta hmm I didn’t know that. He holds keys to the general fund tho right ?
23:25:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think BF is GF 
23:26:41 <jeffro256[m]> Lol
23:26:55 <selsta> at least only luigi does payouts for Hackerone and CCS
23:27:09 <plowsof> please contact one of the luigis regarding ccs payouts (our BF is busy with his GF)luigi1111 
23:29:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> luigi1111w:  has more sass
23:29:10 <luigi1111> jeffro256[m]: please message me 
23:29:13 <plowsof> one simple trick i learned to remember who does what 
23:32:24 <jeffro256[m]> Luigi1111 can you not see a new Matrix room ?
23:34:53 <jeffro256[m]> Should be to @luigi1111:monero.social specifically
23:35:26 <plowsof> @luigi1111:libera.chat you mean? 
23:36:12 <jeffro256[m]> Ah just sent one there
23:36:29 <plowsof> is there a luigi @ monero .social? 😆
23:36:30 <jeffro256[m]> Monero.social was last online 123d ago
23:36:33 <plowsof> probably a scammer?
23:36:41 <jeffro256[m]> Might explain why nothing got thru lol
23:37:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> All luigis are Luigi, unless its Luigi, then its not luigi
23:41:33 <luigi1111> I think that Luigi is real but I don't have matrix much
23:42:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im laughing out loud at that one Luigi, haha
23:48:16 <luigi1112> don't use*